It’s coming
The new firmware has missed a few of the supposed release dates I was told. I’ve been told the new firmware has been held up for extra testing.
I’m told again that Canon could be doing some PR moves with the firmware and adding a feature or 2. 24p perhaps? It would be a smart move by Canon for sure.
I’m told you’ll all have it before the end of January for sure.
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Sorry, but I don’t know what does that “PR” means; could some one explain it to me ???
Thanks :D
May be “Public Relations” ?
Sorry again … 24p perhaps ? What do you mean with this 24p ? ….
lol… well if canon is finally worrying about PR and adding features through firmware, how about adding some vid to my 50D… perhaps sell and hotshoe-mountable sound recorded to go along with it ;P
Fingers crossed for more manual control over video mode’s aperature/frame rate/ISO
Once the firmware is delivered, I wonder who will be the first to upload onto their 5D mk2. I’m sure CR will create a Firmware install thread for us folks to view.
Also, for those who don’t see the black spot what is the repercussion of the installing the firmware.
Exciting times once again.
Vincent Laforte has been pressing Canon for the 24 fps video since he made his now famous video Reverie. Canon would like to expand the market into semi professional video even more, I’m sure.
At the time, he apparently had some hopes/expectations that 24 fps would be added after the first of the year.
Any other manual controls would be welcome, but unexpected. The most needed would be aperture priority for video.
I’d like to see an option for AVI format (PC Friendly). MOV is only friendly to MAC users, and really difficuly to find good but low cost editors for PC’s. You need to invest about $1500 in PC software as a minimum to really produce HD videos in a practical and efficient manner.
If you are serious about working with video you should be using mac anyway. The only real advantage to owning a pc these days is for gamers. That’s my opinion, you may feel differently, but I know my 8 core tower with 16gb of ram flys through video and photoshop.
MacFanboy, outside of the stated software costs being a bit more for video editing on the PC the main reasons to own a PC is for expandability and total lower cost of ownership. Gamers are great in that they push the limits of the hardware and drive down costs on the PC side. Since Apple controls most of the Mac hardware market, there is no such side and thus Macs are overpriced and underpowered. I am sure your 8 core 16 gb machine cost a pretty penny. Frankly, I would rather spend it on camera equipment. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not an M$ evangelist, just someone who has worked in the industry for too many years.
We need manual controls. 24p is icing on the cake but without the capability to set ISO and shutter the 5D Mark II camera is severely crippled.
We need a practical way to capture video with proper exposure settings in the first place.
Very true about macs costing a bit more, though with the switch to intel they are a bit more in line with pcs for upgrade options. I only called myself mac fanboy to save someone else the trouble. I have not seen too many pcs with dual quad core processors and available 32gb of ram. If you work in video you know mac is pretty much the standard these days. Plus I can run vista on my mac with dual boot. Yes, my tower was not cheap, but then again neither is my time and no Pc has that kind of power in the same price range.
With a fotodiox adapter you can use third party lens with aperture rings and control Dof, lighting for any serious production should be external, adjustable frame rates in line with industry standards is a must as is a good external mic and better audio control. Off camera audio is really the way to go though.
“no Pc has that kind of power in the same price range”
Are you kidding me? Your MAC is a PC. Nvidia video card, DDR3 ram, Intel processor.. The only difference is the operating system and the associated apple tax.
As far as high end PC editing systems, your just looking in the wrong places.
http://www.boxxtech.com/Products/RTX/RTX_Overview.asp
This is way off topic anyway.
@ MacFanboy
8core 8-16gb ram PCs has been the standard for the last two VFX companies I worked for. Building your own machine is usually cheaper but here’s two machines I configured from dell and apple. Unlike the Dell, I wasn’t able to spec the mac pro with a higher video card. In the end it’s just a tool but I wanted to get the info straight.
Mac Pro
Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8cores)
32GB (8x4GB)
300GB 15,000-rpm SAS
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 1.5GB
$16,049.00
Dell Precision T5400
two Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 3.00GHz (8cores)
300GB SAS 15K RPM Hard Drive
1.5GB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 5600
$10,197
add $1,000 more for 4GB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX5800
Drfl… PC’s are great. Only if they came with an operating system as good as Mac OS X.
Hey… They do. Psystar.com
M$ and WIndows are a nightmare. Specially the oh, so great Vista…
A system that had problems in 2000 with the 2K bug because the obsolete clock didn’t know what time it was is not to be trusted… Confirmed again 10 days ago with thousands of dead Zunes because the leap year and reassured by the fact that even PC users hate Vista make your overpowered ugly M$ machine doesn’t sound too hot…
Besides the fact that my MacPro can run Windoze if I was crazy enough to actually do it, and that PC’s are NEVER going to be able to emulate a Mac, just because they can’t makes u wonder…
BTW, this is a photographer’s site, if u are a real photographer and still using a PC… well, I feel bad for u.
Try a MacPro with Aperture 2 and Photoshop CS4 and then u will see the light…
Cheers
Happy New Year
I think Canon should be doing some FR work instead of PR… FIX & REPAIR!
They can’t continue to release faulty cameras as if nobody cared. No wonder sales are down.
VFX Artist, that Dell you configured tops out at 4GB of ram, no where near the power of 32GB of ECC Ram in the Mac. Going from 4GB to 32GB is an $8600 upgrade. Buying apple ram is like giving your money away, I buy my ram from OWC, 100% tested and it works great for less than 1/3 of the price.
The Mac also uses the newer version of the quad core processor with a 1600MHZ FSB vs Dells 1333MHZ bus. Once again, if you are doing serious video, Mac is the only real solution. When I am in the field working as a photographer my MacBook Pro works great with CS4 and LR2 or Aperture 2. My girlfriend uses a Sony Vaio similarly spec’d with 4GB of ram and it is painful to watch how slow it is. The truth is, even if a PC has the exact same specs as a MAC there is one thing holding it back and that is it’s OS. There is a reason most Pros in the video field and photography field are working on Macs and it isn’t because they are cheaper, it is because when you do a job you choose the best tools for the job. You wouldn’t grab an old 1MP camera to shoot a wedding, you invest in better gear and better speed lights, and better lenses to get the job done. After that if your time is not worth so much to you I guess a PC will cut it,but if you are like most of us that want to get through the hundreds of photos they took, get paid and get on to the next job well then a few extra bucks for a Mac pays for itself. This is just my opinion, I could be wrong…. but I doubt it.
Yeah, the dell site isnt user friendly like Apple’s site. :/ You have to do some filtering on left side and choose 64bit OS so that the 32gb ram shows up when configuring. You would also have to change the hard drive config to C14 All SAS drives as well to get the same setup. The mac pro setup doesn’t sound too bad with OWC ram. Thanks for the info.
What Canon should add is AutoISO for the M mode. The funny thing is that it already works for manual lenses where the camera cannot set the aperture… selecting Tv with a manual lens is equivalent to M with AutoISO and an AF lens.
I would WAY PREFER manual control over video. Forget Aperture or shutter priority, who cares, just let us control all of it manually, and we’ll sort through it. That would probably be easiest thing for them to implement too I bet. 24p would be nice, but if all they do is provide 24p and leave the rest as is, you won’t even believe how crappy your 24p video is going to look at a 1/125+ speed shutter.
I would WAY PREFER manual control over video. Forget Aperture or shutter priority, who cares, just let us control all of it manually, and we’ll sort through it. That would probably be easiest thing for them to implement too I bet. 24p would be nice, but if all they do is provide 24p and leave the rest as is, you won’t even believe how crappy your 24p video is going to look at a 1/125+ speed shutter.
Macs are targeted for graphic users and editors. How many in the industry do you see using PCs?
None.
In visual industry, aesthetics matter. Macs are just more modern and powerful too. Its pricier but you get what you pay for.
KEH.Com has Mark II available as of 1/6/09…$2699.00 USD…ask for Arthur
Who said that Video editing software costs more on a PC?? Compare the price of Final Cut Pro with its equivalent Adobe Premiere Pro.
Everything costs more on a Mac.
I just received my new Dell Studio XPS. Intel i7 processor 8 core (4 of them virtual), raid hard drives, Vista 64 bit, and 12GB of DDS 3 ram, 24 inch monitor. $1500 total(I get a discount from my company).
Uses 1066 mhz memory as well.
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-studioxps-435mt?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19
In the following order I’d like to see…
Manual control on video
Av (apeture) on video would be nice if semi-automatic
Selectable shutter speen on video
Also, once I’ve got my settings set, remember them the next time I start shooting or turn the camera back on!
Come on Canon – you want to make a statement about how great your camera is – make a great camera!
I’m hopeful to see this in the firmware upgrade and will install it the second it arrives!
Tom
P.S.
nowhere on my list is 24p – it’s a red-herring in todays day and age. (only an opinion – relax!)
25p for god’s sake !!!
Not for art, not for the ‘film look’, not because I like it – but because that’s what we broadcast in the UK !!!!
We are screwed with 30p – unless we spend hours putting every clip through a high quality 30p/25p convertor like Twixtor. (And even here it is far from perfect).
Please !!!
Also 30p clashes with our electricity cycle speed, any lights on the mains (pretty much all lights) can cause flicker !! : (
+ There are many many more PAL countries that there are NTSC.
Manual controls would be wonderful, but can you start by addressing some very basic technical needs.
We want 24p or variable frame rates. We want full Manuel Video Mode!
We want 24p or variable frame rates. We want full Manuel Video Mode!
We want 24p or variable frame rates. We want full Manuel Video Mode!
We want 24p or variable frame rates. We want full Manuel Video Mode!
We want 24p or variable frame rates. We want full Manuel Video Mode!
We want 24p or variable frame rates. We want full Manuel Video Mode!
why not add continuously variable lens aperture as well… I believe Panasonic is implementing something like that for their G1 / m43 lenses.
Ah, MacFanboy and Steve Jobs, you have drunk the Kool-Aid. The belief you can’t do pro photography on a PC died years ago (around PS 5 days). I know many professional photographers, including myself that use a PC and it does some great work. I doubt I would be any better an artist if I had a MAC, I would only be better if I had more hours in the day. Of course I know lots of photographers that could do great work with a old brownie too.
By the way, a properly configured PC can run for years without a reboot and with great performance. Your girlfriend probably visited too many websites and got too much spyware/viruses, a problem I agree the MAC (for the most part) does not suffer from. The VAIO isn’t known for being a very high-performing PC either. I have a PC that currently has an uptime of nearly 2 years with no reboot, and it has been performing my functions flawlessly.
Anyway, I think the MAC is a great tool, but my 2 year old dual core w/ 3 gb vista system is opening my Canon 5d Mark II files without an issue and I usually work on about 10-20 at a time in CS3 no probs with DPP open. But once again it is configured properly and with no viruses/spyware/junkware.
I suppose this is similar to a Nikon/Canon debate. You’ll have your fans of one over the other, but frankly they both get the job done and at the end of the day that’s all that really matters.
By the way, 24p would be nice, but I would prefer a camera that has 100% perfect functionality of it’s current features before you add more. Adding features without fixing the problems only compounds the frustration. Just my $2.
@ppdix
By the way, you can run Mac OS on a PC:
http://miniburb.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/mac-osx-on-pc-with-vmware-a-success/
http://pcwizcomputer.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=32
It’s going to run as crappy as Windows on a MAC. The fact that MACs run with intel processors now should tell you that they realized that they could get better performance at a lower cost by going that route. It’s all about economies of scale and profit. They had to change architecture to the competition to keep up.
Macs? PCs? They’re just tools.
But, do realize, you Mac people are basically running a Unix frontend (not that there’s anything wrong with that!)
I did fiddle with Vista the other day and was put off by the resource hog that it was. I would have force quit the Explorer shell via Taskmanager had I the Admin rights, just to speed the sucker up.
VFXartist
16k for a mac pro? what are you doing? where do you work and why do you need the nvidia quatro’s? I run a vfx studio all mac pro’s for workstations with a linux renderfarm. We run dual boot on the mac pro’s linux for production mac for dev. I never thought Id go mac until I worked on one for over a year. I just dont get how your mac’s cost 16k when ours cost 3700 canadian with the GT 8800 and 10 gigs of ram. 8 of them of course purchased outside of the apple store. Is your quote if you filled up on golden mac ram? I suppose its the 15000 rpm does that mean you work locally? I mean we stripe 3 terabyte drives together for local hd space for our vfx editor to pull plates, but he still runs fibre channel to the network for editorial.
wait what does this all have to do with a mkII firmware rumor?
“We want 24p or variable frame rates. We want full Manuel Video Mode!”
¿Qué?
;o)
I am not saying you can’t process your photos on a pc or that they will look better on a mac, my point was more for video, the mac offers the best solution, at a cost, but 8 real cores not virtual, up to 32gb of ram, 1600mhz bus not 1066 or 1333, plus a far cleaner less resource hogging os. But really, who gives a shit??? I use mac and windows on the same machine. Mac works great for me and flys through gigs and gigs of video with ease. Windows works well for you and you do the same. I also shoot nikon and leica lenses on my canon camera because they are better lenses. They are all just tools. Cost is always an object but I believe in paying a few bucks more if it works better for me or makes me happy.
What is this topic about. I thought it was about new firmware…not a dick measuring contest over mac and pc.
Please stay on topic.
Thanks
Mike
drfl,
never said u can’t do pro photog on a pc. just that pcs are quite fugly and can’t compare to the value of a mac.
pc = corolla (cheap and it works)
mac = lexus (luxury)
and just an fyi… mac changed their architecture because ibm couldn’t delivery their power pc processors
can we please get this back on topic
5D mark II firmware thread folks…. lol.
Let’s hope that we can log our comments on a new thread for folks already installed the firmware patch. It would be interesting to hear some of the outputs. To bad, Canon can use this group of folks as the beta testers… of course with somebody else camera. :-)
25p is more importan for me then 24p
@Steve Jobs
You said, “Macs are targeted for graphic users and editors. How many in the industry do you see using PCs?
None.” That’s pretty much saying that you can’t believe that you can do pro photo work on a PC. If you’re going to say something, stick to your guns. By the way, I get way more value from a PC then I ever would from a Mac, and IBM hasn’t been the leader in the hardware game for quite some time. PC IBM anymore.
Back to the firmware thread (the real reason we are here). I seriously doubt that they are going to add features. At this point I hope they are probably doing some serious testing and since all the Christmas lights are coming down, they have a harder time finding test subjects ;).
I Can’t understand why Mac users hate PC & Win.
Intel MACs are just simple Intel PCs. Nothing more, at the highest price.
I have a Core i7 PC with 8 cores (4 cores + Hyper Threading)
for just 1500€
And, the most powerful vga of the moment : Dual HD4870X2.
I use dual boot: Vista x64 and Leopard 10.5.6
..editing in Adobre Premiere Pro CS4 64bit, I’m quite more happy on Windows platform, cause it really run NATIVELY at 64bit.
Leopard it’s only compatible with 64bit apps, all the tools inside (as a parte of the OS) are 32bit.
Snow Leopard (10.6) will be completely 64bit.
So, right now, PC+Win can achieve more power.
realogic
What does this have to do with Canon firmware?
As interestig as the MAC/PC disucssion is..
I suggest a list be compiled of requests for firmware upgrades. I would suggest people try to be realistic in what they expect from the firmware. Canon definitly monitors this website.
I vote for:
– Option to extend Auto-ISO.
– Full Auto-ISO in manual mode.
Both should be easily done in firmware. I don’t know enough about video to comment.
Regarding auto-iso, I dont understand why Canon has such problem doing a proper implementation!
Besides the two points Andrew brings up I would love to see a way to edit the shutter speed rule. At the moment it is supposed to be 1/f (even though it always defaults to 1/40 with my 50/1.4 lens) but I’d like to be able to change that into 1/xf where x is any number. Examples:
x>1 – when you can’t be as steady or need critical sharpness
x<1 – when you have a monopod, IS or any other support (or if you just are steadier than most)
This together with Andrews list would make auto-iso really shine!
Sorry for Off-Topic..
My requests for the new firmware are:
No more black spots
No more vertical banding
Record video in PAL modes (25fps, 24p would be also great)
Use Av mode also for record (most important for me right now)
MAC, PC, ATARI, AMIGA, SINCLAIR… tools, only tools, and bullshit that’ll be crap in three years,… and it’ll turn in something useless into six years or less. Why all the buz? Why all it passion? Why flames? ;)
Did you see two carpenters into a flaming discussion about a hammer brand or electricians about pliers? DO THE JOB, it is what really matters. Work with your tool and don’t try to persuade others about it goodness… and keep in mind that Microsoft and Apple are only business and they will remain as cold as ice looking for money and NOT for our personal interest, and if they try it is only to get incomes, not for solving our troubles. I’ve seen people working with pcs and macs doing great jobs and I’ve seen frozen pcs and macs with people curseing and blasphemeing in front of cold 30 inches monitors.
Love and peace to all.
I just downloaded the new firmware. No 25P
DAMN CANON!
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/firm-e/eos5dmk2/firmware.html
I don’t do much video, but my 5DmkII has a “Video System” option under the second “wrench” tab in the menu that switches between PAL and NTSC. I haven’t shot in PAL mode, but maybe that’s what you’re looking for, “realogic”?
Firmware 1.0.7 is here on the Canon site as of 01/07/2009.
From the site:
Firmware Update Version 1.0.7 improves and mitigates the following two types of image quality phenomena that occur under certain shooting conditions.
1. “Black dot” phenomenon (the right side of point light sources become black)
2. Vertical banding noise
Firmware Version 1.0.7 is for EOS 5D Mark II cameras with firmware up to version 1.0.6. If the camera’s firmware is already version 1.0.7, it is not necessary to update the firmware.
And I’ll be waiting to see others’ experiences with any firmware updates before I upgrade – I am glad Canon’s not rushing it through without lots of testing…
As I told you I just upgraded and nothing happens. No 25p…
It’s here! Canon updated the firmware of the 5Dii
Confirmed firmware is available. Link: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=17662#DownloadDetailAct
CR can we have a separate thread on those who installed the firmware? I’m sure we are all interested in seeing the outcome of the firmware 1.0.7.
The firmware update only deals with the black spots and banding. No upgrades to the video. That may be coming later.
Raw shooters will apparently need a updated Raw converter. DPP 5.1.2 is in the process of being added to worldwide Canon sites.
I downloaded both, but have not installed. Neither issue is a problem for me, so I’ll wait until Adobe gets their raw converter updated to match the new firmware.
ED four your information: I updated the firmware and no problem with Adobe Raw converter…
Kyle: PAL /NTSC Video mode is the selection for the TV-out option.
I mean shooting in 25p (PAL) than 24p or 30p (NTSC)
Anyway, I always post-edit my works, so conversion occour
The main topic was on 5D MK II firmware update, but lot of posts were on “fights” Mac vs. PC….
— I would REALLY like to know if there is a reliable source or clue that can tell if Canon is working on a firmware update that will allow MANUAL setting for VIDEO Recording.
Manual setting is SO important for a professional use…
For instance, if the camera chooses a small aperture, as it often seems to do, then there won’t be any thin Depht of field…
And tweaking hard the camera to get the best results a professional work needs, it’s not a good deal!
Neither using Nikon (non G) lenses with an adapter to get the aperture ring at your fingers..
— Can Canon improve the Video feature via firmware update? I suppose it is possible.
I would REALLY LIKE to know any info about that, since it can drive me switch to Canon…(Nikon user)
Also the ability to record in 24 and 30 fps, set by the user according to working need.
— Is Canon listening to Vincent and so many people suggestions regarding the Video mode?
Thanks :)
25p is necessary if you don’t want to turn your back to the other half of the world.
24p would be a great addon…
Patrick
PS: 25p with the same Bit rate would be great.
We need 25p!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i ve tried to do the conversion(30p to 25p)….. it takes ages and the result is not perfect!!! really not fair for non NTSC!!!!
yessssssssssssssssssssssssss
we want 25P, or 50i…
why ?
because I have a XH A1 and Sony Z1, in PAl version, and it’s not good to mix 25P with 30P… horrible, not fluid !
for me : NO 5D MII if no 25P !!!!
I’m not alone, very very very… in france…
Please canon, The NTSC people is not the only professional video men’s… and your 5D MII is not universal actually…
thank’s
Yeah… give us an update for 25p…
Bring it on!!!
Don’t let your users down!!!
I am waiting to buy… just for a 25p Firmware… next day.. I’m in the shop! (this is Italy here, anoter PAL country).
I talked to someone at Canon today and she told me to email them with feature requests. Perhaps if they get a lot of requests for 24p, they will listen.
[email protected]
Hello everyone, I am very close to by the 5d m2 but I live in euorope so the 30fps is an issue for me, aswell for the manual limitations in videomode.
How likely do you think it is that they will fix these “problems” in the near future?
If these issues aren’t adressed I am sorry to say that I’d rather chose a video camera with 35 mm adapter. Like the Panasonic HMC-151 for instance. Thoghts?
@INFURNO
Don’t we have manual ISO and shutter already, or am I missing something?
Ah sorry INFURNO, just a year behind – still stuck in ’09- aaaargh!