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Received an email today in regards to a 50D replacement. Most of what was said was the same as most stuff we've received. Smaller form factor than the 50D and an articulating LCD screen.
The 2nd part of the email mentioned a video optimized 14.2mp sensor.
I have heard once before about a new sensor for the camera.
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Please let it be true!!
I really hope it has a similar pixel density, if it still uses the APS-C format.
I’m pretty sure the 50D replacement will be launched very soon – mostly because I just bought a 550D instead as I had become tired of waiting for the 60D.
Sounds like a very reasonable spec, so it can’t be true. I believe 18MP, 50D body and fixed screen, but sincerey hope I’m not right.
Would be great news:
* Smaller Body: Much smaller cameras are possible technically. Perhaps a hassle free secondary body in a standard bag. Hopefully they don’t reduce battery size or at least capacity.
* 14.2 MPix: Good idea to shut down the Megapixel race in SLRs. Just most high quality lenses are just good enough for 10 or 12 MPix at an APS-C sensor.
* articulating LCD: would be great: Hassle free photographs near ground and above head without gymnastics/trial and error photography!
I liked my Powershot G2 … hopefully the 60D is a good step to a compact and versatile camera but with a lot of more options (low light capability + exchangeable lenses + much more speed)!
You know murphy’s law … and I understand what you feel.
I am hot for a SLR body with (HD-)video capability to have access to a wide range of lenses. The 550D is a hot candidate but I am still waiting for the 60D.
But think about one reason just to buy an intermediate solution:
If you have time to use the 550D NOW and really have fun with it … it might be worth it.
If the 60D is a well equipped camera, it will cost something like 1300 $ (EUR) for early adopers, but 800 $/EUR one year later. The difference is near the price of a 550D body.
Moneywise you don’t loose, and the 550D will become a – not so compatible in terms of ergonomy – secondary body.
Perhaps these remarks show that it is not always the best decision to wait … wait … wait. ;-)
Hope I can buy it before the 28 of august, then i am going to hawaii! So I can replace my 30d.
the 7D cost 1250 euros…. so no way the 60D will cost 1300 euros
Video optimized sensor scares me a bit. ie.. the impact on still image quality…
Love my 5DMII for portraits but anxious to replace my 30D backup and sports camera. I hope the 60D delivers at around $1,000.
so please tell me what is a video optimized sensor?
should a sensor not be optimized for stills on a DSLR ? ;)
Video optimised sensor will help to mitigate jello.
Maybe it’s about the rolling shutter effect. I don’t think that this means any reduction in stills capabilities. (well, maybe reduced to 5 fps or something)
This suggested sensor MP size is similiar to sony’s backlit sensor – might it be the same EXMOR sensor?
Sounds like a circular rumor from NorthLight that circulated in the various photo forums and then found its way here, which would then be quoted back in NL tomorrow. :P
Again, I *really* do not hope they do not make it smaller – the xxxD range is too small for my hands and my 40D is much nicer for me to hold.
But anyway, I can’t upgrade now regardless of what they bring out, but I suppose I’d end up going for the 7D or the 5D2 if I can afford to.
If this is jello http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qC0_nIUq9s
then its rubbsh as a movie camera. If the sensor was video optimised then might this mean it now has sensor based Image Stabilisation to counter this effect?
I heard a rumour that Canon would release a whole series of cameras that are smaller and lighter than a 50D but still have interchangeable lenses, low-light capability and other such features. Can’t remember the details, though.
The rolling shutter jello effect has absolutely nothing to do with and cannot be countered with any form of image stabilization.
Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_shutter
Rumors, rumors, rumors… febrary, Jun, July… mmmm
i just hope it will lay as good in the hand as the 50D… how much smaller the form factor really is…
I would be very interested in the high ISO noise comparison between this and the 7D. Lets hope the FPS stay up high. and 7D AF.
Excellent answer, thanks Grummbeerbauer. so a global shuter is needed not a scanning shutter. Cheers.
The 17-40 f/4L is due to be replaced with a 15-60 f/4L IS
This will be a dSLR foremost, so they aren’t going to impact stills over video, right? I think they are just saying that they are start out with a new design to give both, rather than finding a way to make the traditional design somehow give video.
I am delighted to hear talk of a new sensor. At least we have hope of better performance than the one in the 7D/T2i.
This sounds like the first serious morphing of the still camera…
God, I hope its not smaller! I’ve got fairly big hands, and I love how my 40d feels in my hands, but every time I hold a rebel I find theres no place to put my ring finger and pinky when holding it.
Does Canon not make all their CMOS sensors?
The more I think about, the more I wonder if the video optimization also involves better heat sinking to reduce noise while shooting long video segments.
It’ll probably handle more like the D90 than the D5000/550D.
I agree with you 100%. Every time I hold a Rebel (my daughter’s), I feel as if it will fall off my hand anytime. Also the “rubber coating” at the grip wears off with time and the smooth plastic exposes. That makes the holder even harder. On the other hand both my X0D feel very good in my hand.
Please try to handle a Rebel before you want anything smaller than a 40D. I used to have a G1. it is a good size for a fix lens. It you want DSLR that allows you to change lens, You need to take the larger sensor, mirror box, large lens fringe, etc int account. you do need certain size to be comfortable in your hand. Rebel is a good case and point that Canon did make a smaller DSLR at the expense of bad handling.
I hope that 14.2 MP rumor is true. also I hope that the sensor will be gapless, like the 7D. This will be a good high ISO, Low noise performer.
Is that not the 1000d-550d line?
I have MASSIVE hands and back you totally!
. . . either a global shutter or a much faster rolling shutter.
We invented cameras.
Sounds like many of us have the same hopes… I would openly accept and praise a 14MP sensor with better performance due to larger site size and gapless design… not to mention replacing the rolling shutter.
All of this is plausible, since there would be no major technological leaps needed… and if Canon really was debuting a “video-optimized” DSLR… then these specs would make sense… and of course, this would trickle down (or up) to other cameras as well in due time…
Video in the DSLR format is here to stay… at least for a while. Most consumers at this level are hobbyists… they like to play around. And the video world is a whole other arena in which to explore… and Canon knows this.
I never really thought much about missing video until I started watching some of the clips from the 7d and T2i cameras. Then I realized I’d like to be able to make slide shows that are puncutated with video shots or vice versa.
Sometimes a still just doesn’t capture it…. so you are right, I look forward to experimentation with it.
I have massive hands AND massive feet.
And…
no, never mind.
But yeah, I like the current 50D camera body.
No, WE invented Cameras
How does the IQ on a CCD sensor (global shutter) compare to the IQ on a CMOS sensor?
I hope “optimized for video” doesn’t mean IQ for stills will suffer, but I get the feeling this is where things are going.
How else is Canon going to differentiate between the T2i/7D?
Nikon D3000 (CCD 10Mpix) compared with Nikon D5000 (CMOS 12 MPix) and Nikon D90 (CMOS 12 MPix):
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/Compare-sensors/(appareil1)/623%7C0/(appareil2)/587%7C0/(appareil3)/439%7C0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Nikon/(brand2)/Nikon/(brand3)/Nikon
In terms of usability you are right: A camera can be too small for handling. But think about a F1 new. It’s a very compact camera wiff mirror box, larger “sensor” and a lens bayonet.
But not just the size matters – the shape of a camera is sometimes much more important. And batteries, electronics and mechanics can be put into a smaller but also ergonomic housing. Perhaps it’s an unwritten law not to change the general layout of the cameras. I am shure that you can producs a camera with half of the size of a 40D which is useable just with large hands.
Somebody doesn’t know what “optimized” means. A DSLRs can be optimized for one purpose only – taking still pictures otherwise it becomes a movie camera with still pictures taking capability.
Yes, but WHEN? I’m ready to but now. WHEN will Amazon, B&H, Adorama, etc have it in stock?
There are lots of large cams out already, but very few small good ones, esp. by Canon. The time is ripe.
Hoping it’s 21 oz, 13-15 AF points, prism, and better low -med iso IQ. Old heavywts. are …old.
CCD is inherently better but CMOS is cheaper to produce.
Hence the dearth of CMOS.
Although a better and more modern design CMOS will be better than an older design in a CCD.
Video is just 25 stills a second (or 24 or 30 or whatever).
So optimising for Video is unlikely to hurt the stills quality.
The time is not ripe if it means that the camera body is too small for many people to use. It will never be.
For Canon to make a camera body that many people would find too small to use would mean that it’s telling people who don’t have small hands that said people don’t matter and that Canon doesn’t care if they go to another camera manufacturer.
The ‘jello effect’, like vignetting, barrel distortion, and chromatic abberation, can be easily corrected in-camera in software before writing the bits to standard out.
I could go for around 14 or so AF points. Five more than nine, five less than nineteen…
Would this body utilize all Cross-type at such a low price point?
Whats this digitalway-store.net about appearing in the Google-Ads? It offers a 7D for 949€. I mean there is not much air between this and a 550D for a 60D.
Oh, I see there is a 17% surcharg for paying…
I hope canon releases this soon
Yeah, that was it. Thanks, Maxim.
I don’t have particularly big hands. Nevertheless, I found that when I had a heavy lens on a 400D that the pressure from the top of the grip on my middle finger (caused by the lens’s affinity for Planet Earth) became painful after a while. I upgraded to a 40D purely for the ergonomics and have no regrets.
The Rebel/xxxD line are great cameras for the money, but I prefer mine in a more comfortable package.
Is that the one with twelve stops of image stabilization?
LOL – i was hoping before the 28th July. the 400D it is then :-/
This DXO site then infers that CMOS is better.
True so far but they have been linked with Foveon developments before. though to buy sensor’s from a direct competitor would seem line a daft idea. We buy canon as they offer us new and improved solutions not same as solutions. This is why i’m doubting this rumour.
Whats involved in upgrading a focus point to a cross type?
I get such a kick out of reading this comedy site when every little price of misinformation is publish and the truth is constantly ignored.
Do you really think that tge people who really know would risk their jobs by identifying who they really are?
For the last time!
60D:
18MP
diG!C V
6.5/fps
HD video as in 7D
50D form factor with similar build and sealing
BG-EIIN2 for same battery as 7/5D2
there are many more details like WiFi and GPS but those above are the hilights I won’t post again as you stubborn people seem to believe just about anyrhing
14.2MP is just about as real as the 40/1.2 L!
Please i hope this camera gets released like 2mro would b great… i am getting a DSLR for my birthday and decided on the 50D until i realised it was 2 years old and it is about time for its successor to b released!!! or should I just go the 7D instead of waiting???? (first DSLR)
From an interview from Nikon:
Q: What is the outlook for the digital camera market?
A: The digital SLR camera market is expected to experience continued growth on the back of growth in the category of entry-level models.
I’m sure Canon sees the same opportunity and that is why they have spent a good deal of time revamping their entry level cameras from 2Ti, D60(soon I hope) and the D7. But I’m a noob what do I know.
Where’s the 14-24 2.8 to complete with Nikon?
” find the best compromise among several often conflicting requirements, as in engineering design
optimization , optimisation n”
By definition optimizing means finding a compromise and reducing a factor or factors in order to increase the performance of the optimized factor. Whoever has made up this rumor either doesn’t understand what the word “optimize” means or didn’t actually mean it in its proper sense.
Do not you think 14.2 mp optimized for video may be a sensor nearest H by the H sensor technology with an advanced user, leaving the myth that these sensors are only used in 1D Series Cameras?? I think canon realized that the sensors with over 15 megapixel tinidez create a loss to F/22 because there is little space on the sensor too many items on the table, the phenomenon is called dispersion lack of sharpness at F / high.
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the new canon will have very similar features to the upcoming nikon d90 replacement and Panasonic GH1 replacement . ALL WILL BE UNDER 15MP and be geared towards video without sacrificing still image quality.
The problem is that Canon does not really have a good, entry-level camera for beginners. 1000D could be already considered obsolescent while not yet completely obsolete and 500/550D are packed with features and priced way beyond simple cameras for beginners. While people keep discussing made up rumours and salivating over complete BS ones nobody seems to pay any attention to the fact that Canon’s DSLR line-up is now really unbalanced. It has some really good high-end cameras with full choice of sensor sizes, it has an outstanding prosumer 5D, it has very decent advanced 500/550D and the really crappy 1000D.
There is a huge open market space at the bottom end of the market and Canon would be silly not to take advantage of it. No matter what they officially say I don’t think that they are completely ignoring the mirror-less concept and I’m pretty sure they are working on something already. There is definitely some need for a low-end (relatively speaking) larger sensor camera to create a viable alternative to Sony’s offering, I would not be surprised if Canon’s new xxD camera would be full-frame or at least APS-H.
The rumored 60D has not been announced and may not be available for months after it is announced. If you want an APS-C soon, the 7D is the best bet.
I have medium size hands, and I much prefer the bigger body. It’s not just body size, the two wheels, and other ergonomics as well make the xxD and xD much more usable than the xxxD line.
I think the 1000D is pretty good for what you pay. The only thing that lets it down is the AF, which I found quite slow and a bit unreliable.
That’s why I like the rumours about a 50D replacement in a slightly smaller body… best of both worlds.
Canon almost never reuses existing sensors even if the new sensor has the same number of pixels. So a new sensor in a new camera is expected.
My major remaining complaints about Canon DSLR cameras are lack of in body image stabilizer and lack of a tilt &swivel LCD screen. The new camera seems to address one of the problems. So I am looking forward to getting one.
Waiting for an image stabilizer in the camera is probably pretty pointless and I have too much Canon equipment to seriously consider Sony Alpha equipment.
If the person paying for it has a price limit, then go for the cheaper camera and spend the difference on extra lenses.
As per Canon’s own literature. IS mechanism should be tailored to individual lens (focal length dependent). therefore IS built -in the body may not be a optimized solution.
Lens IS? Not all Canon lenses have IS and the only primes with it are the longer ones. At least with in body IS my fast wide to standard primes and zooms would all benafit.
I can’t see Canon fitting in body IS though, if they ever do they’ll be last to market after Nikon and they’ll only do it kicking and screaming as there’s too much money to be made from IS lenses.
If I could swap all my Canon gear for Sony I would, Canon seem to complacent these days, last to market with everything except an ever higher pm count.
If this is true, then it will address most of our wish list as published on our blog post recently: http://www.aputure.com/blog/?p=218
Let’s hope these specs are true! The reduced MP sensor is especially cause for excitement, I think, after seeing what Canon has done with an 18MP sensor on the 7D.