Canon Cinema Lens Rumors

A new Cine-Servo zoom lens is coming soon, the CN 10×25 [CR3]

I have been told that a new Cine Servo series lens will be announced soon, most likely on April 20, 2020.

Canon CN 10×25 Specifications:

  • 10x zoom
  • 1.5x built-in extender
  • Detachable servo unit
  • Compatible with both Super35 and Full- Frame sensors

I also expect the Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark III to be announced at the same time.

Update: This is the CN 10×25 that has appeared in Canon’s product listings.

The image associated with this post is of the Canon CINE-SERVO 17-120mm T2.95-3.9 PL.

MaxDiesel

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Sep 23, 2015
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Yes please... I’m happy to be correct that canon is still producing EF Cine lenses.

Hoping this is a constant f2.8 aperture.
 
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Kjsheldo

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Dec 9, 2019
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Bummer. Was hoping the new cine-zoom would be in the 18-80mm class and be something more like a 16-55mm T2.8 with AF. I love the 18-80mm, but T4.4 isn't fast enough for quite a few situations.
 

peters

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A 10x FF servo zoom? It's gonna be $30k+ and weight 9lbs. Sigh...
I may be wrong but isnt this equivalent to a 24-240mm lense? Shouldnt be that difficult to build, or do I miss something?
But I guess it will be above 10k$
 
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Bummer. Was hoping the new cine-zoom would be in the 18-80mm class and be something more like a 16-55mm T2.8 with AF. I love the 18-80mm, but T4.4 isn't fast enough for quite a few situations.
As an owner of this lens, it really is fantastic and although T4.4 isn't that great in lower light situations, I've found that it generally hasn't been an issue with the sensitivity of the C300 Mark II.

I'm curious at the the rumored dual-iso capability of the C300 Mark III... it would make the T4.4 practically a non-issue if it comes to light.

That being said, a 16-55 T.295 with AF would be lovely and would replace the EF-S 17-55 for video use. I really wanted this instead of the 18-80 because of the extra stop initially, but I've found that the longer range has become more useful. Truly was built to be more of an all-purpose type of lens now that I've been using it.
 

RunAndGun

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Dec 16, 2011
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Yes please... I’m happy to be correct that canon is still producing EF Cine lenses.

Hoping this is a constant f2.8 aperture.
I hate to burst your bubble, but no. Constant 2.8 with a 10x lens covering s35/FF isn’t possible in anything resembling this current “class” of lenses. But maybe they’re building something more along the lines of a “box” lens... Doubtful, but who knows.

Realistic expectations: the lens will ramp. Now, where will the aperture start and end? I don’t know. What will the focal range be? I don’t know. I’ll have to reach out to one of my sources and see what they know. They pretty much nailed the 17-120 six years ago. I do know that I and lots of others, have asked, from both manufacturers, for an equivalent version of our 2/3” 13x4.5 lenses, which would be approximately 11.5mm on the back-end. A 12-120 or 15-150 in the same approximate ”package“ as the 17-120 would be pretty awesome. But it would have to be bigger and heavier, especially if they start at the same aperture.
 

privatebydesign

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I may be wrong but isnt this equivalent to a 24-240mm lense? Shouldnt be that difficult to build, or do I miss something?
But I guess it will be above 10k$
Look at it's current sibling the Canon CINE-SERVO 17-120mm T2.95-3.9 PL. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1043631-REG/canon_9785b002_cn7x17_kas_s_cine_servo.html $24,000 and it doesn't have a FF image circle or 10x range.

I'd estimate the new lens to be close to $35,000, mind you I doubt there are many people doing run and gun that need FF, this is squarely aimed at tripod shooting of scripted scenes and studio work.
 
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peters

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Look at it's current sibling the Canon CINE-SERVO 17-120mm T2.95-3.9 PL. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1043631-REG/canon_9785b002_cn7x17_kas_s_cine_servo.html $24,000 and it doesn't have a FF image circle or 10x range.

I'd estimate the new lens to be close to $35,000, mind you I doubt there are many people doing run and gun that need FF, this is squarely aimed at tripod shooting of scripted scenes and studio work.
Oh, indeed, thats expensive. So you are probably right...
 
Jul 3, 2019
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Canon has a 10X cine lens. CNE 30mm-300mm. That lens seemed to be aimed at the Angenieux 25-250 or 24-290 for less money. Maybe this is a remake that covers full frame and has an extender like the 50-1000? That would be a unique and cool lens. Likely huge. Hopefully fast? Constant 3.5?
 

MaxDiesel

EOS M50
Sep 23, 2015
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10x25 or 10-25mm?
So about at 16-40mm equivalent on Super 35. This is not a 10X zoom.

Why in the world would this need to have a servo an watch it be T4.4. I see no reason in buying this one.
What we do need is a capable CN-E F2.8 midrange zoom with IS. We see way to many people employing the 17–55 2.8 IS which is not well suited for the Cinema Series but everyone uses it as there is no other choice other then Sigma 1.8 zoom which dont a have IS.

Enough with these T4.4 lenses
Heck I’d be content with a Photo Lens 24-70 2.8 IS, it would be missing on the wide but still better then the current lineup and much better then the “kit” lens given with the C200. That 24-105 f4, its not bad but its not great.
 
Apr 15, 2020
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10x25 or 10-25mm?
So about at 16-40mm equivalent on Super 35. This is not a 10X zoom.
Canon's Cine-Servo lenses follow this formula for its names: the 17-120mm is called CN7X17 and the 50-1000mm is called CN20X50.

The first number means the zoom ratio, the second means the wide portion of the zoom range. In other words: 7 (zoom ratio) x 17 (wide angle) = 17mm to 120mm; 20 (zoom ratio) x 50 (wide angle) = 50mm to 1000mm. These follow the broadcast lenses naming, not the standard still/cinema lenses.

In other words, if it's 10x zoom and named 10X25, it's actually a 25-250mm. Not at all a 10-25mm lens.
 
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Sharlin

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I may be wrong but isnt this equivalent to a 24-240mm lense? Shouldnt be that difficult to build, or do I miss something?
But I guess it will be above 10k$
Cine lenses are really their own thing. Just the requirement of no focus breathing and being roughly parfocal are huge constraints. Not to mention having huge vignetting and barrel distortion that needs to be electronically corrected like the R 24–240mm… Plus of course you get even less economy of scale than with high-end stills lenses.
 

MaxDiesel

EOS M50
Sep 23, 2015
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Canon's Cine-Servo lenses follow this formula for its names: the 17-120mm is called CN7X17 and the 50-1000mm is called CN20X50.

The first number means the zoom ratio, the second means the wide portion of the zoom range. In other words: 7 (zoom ratio) x 17 (wide angle) = 17mm to 120mm; 20 (zoom ratio) x 50 (wide angle) = 50mm to 1000mm. These follow the broadcast lenses naming, not the standard still/cinema lenses.

In other words, if it's 10x zoom and named 10X25, it's actually a 25-250mm. Not at all a 10-25mm lens.
Thank you that expiation... I had no idea as I own the 18-80 CN-E, I assumed it was along the same lines.
 
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Thank you that expiation... I had no idea as I own the 18-80 CN-E, I assumed it was along the same lines.
Since there is a gap that both the broadcast/cinema people have crossed, for me it seems that Canon actually goes out and beyond to market the Cine-Servo lenses for two distinct markets (broadcast, with the "CN7X17" type of name; and cinema, with the regular "17-120mm" type of name), while the Compact Servo lenses are marketed more as a "hybrid lens", with tech that came from cinema (being parfocal mostly), video (servo unit) and stills (autofocus and IS) lenses in one package, being cheaper compared to the Cine-Servo lenses, but a little higher price than top-notch L-glass EF lenses.

I get what you're saying about the Compact Servo lenses, but I'd go out on a limb here in saying that being T2.8 would meant that either they'd have to drop the servo function and lower the zoom ratio (such as the Fujinon MK series, which has a 18-55mm T2.9) in order to stay compact or drop the idea of being compact and go full blown bigger (which is the Cine-Servo series). Even if they tried to go "in between", they'd probably end up with something alongside the Fujinon XK20-120mm, which is a T3.5 lens being a lot bigger than the 18-80mm.
 

RunAndGun

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Look at it's current sibling the Canon CINE-SERVO 17-120mm T2.95-3.9 PL. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1043631-REG/canon_9785b002_cn7x17_kas_s_cine_servo.html $24,000 and it doesn't have a FF image circle or 10x range.

I'd estimate the new lens to be close to $35,000, mind you I doubt there are many people doing run and gun that need FF, this is squarely aimed at tripod shooting of scripted scenes and studio work.
If it isn’t at least in that ballpark, I’ll be surprised. When the 17-120 originally dropped it was around $33K, if I remember correctly. And it doesn’t have an extender, doesn’t cover “FF” and is “only“ 7x.

We’ll have to wait and see what the actual physical design and specs are to see if this is a lens that could be used handheld(will it be like the 17-120 or 50-1000?).
 

privatebydesign

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I was pleasantly surprised by the price(and impressed with the specs). I admit, I would have been skeptical if the original rumor had said “sub-$30K”.
Definitely at the low end of any realistic guesses, heck I was $5,000 too high! So yes, for those in the market a very pleasant surprise, wonder if they will do a C500 II kit? ;)