FF vs APS-H
One of my better sources of information says we should expect the next 1D to remain APS-H. Expect it to be in the 15mp range. No exact number at the moment.
The sensor is completely new. Noise control and dynamic range were the two big engineering goals for the new sensor. Dual DIGIC V will also be present.
No info on frame rate or other specs from this source.
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Drat and double drat. I was looking forward to the APS-H funeral.
This rumor sounds way more logical then the previous ones in the same topic, and i really hope the new sensor will provide usable pics whitout NR at the 1600-3200 iso range.
This sounds good too, but I think represents an older model of thought for canon. If they want a nikon killer they should go the route of the D3. Full frame makes more sense with a crop setting for more reach and smaller file size.
I would love this, don’t know that I believe it; but I would love a 15MP 1.3FOVC that can deliver ISO800 perfectly clean and ISO6400 more than printable.
More important than super high ISO is Dynamic Range to me, at this point. Give me something better than the D3x so say 14+ stops to the 13.7 that DxO rates the D3X at.
The 30mm per 100mm would be great to hang on to.
The Nikon D3X has a pixel density of 2.8 MP/cm^2.
If the next 1D has 15 MP on the APS-H sensor, it will achieve the same pixel density as the D3X. And if Canon can get their act together, they should be able to achieve the same awe inspiring dynamic range and high ISO noise performance as the D3X. We’ll see.
If they fail to deliver, it means they have reached the end of their technological abilities. Then, it’s time to consider jumping ship…
Imagine the noise control and dynamic range they could get if they spread those 15MP over a FF sensor. And how about the same sensor technology in a 12-15MP 1.6X sensor in a body to compete with the Nikon D300/D400.
Wrong.
Based on recent rumors it seems like Canon is not very interested in providing an answer to Nikons last round of semi-pro to pro cameras (D300/D700/D3). Is it possible to match high ISO performance of the D3 with a smaller, more pixel-dense sensor? I suppose the 5DmkII wasn’t too far off. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Dang. I want a FF sensor and pro body/AF. $7k isn’t in the budget. I’ve been seriously considering a switch to Nikon (D3) for this very reason.
The Nikon D3x sensor outperforms the D3.
well, I’m boned. I want FF for wide-angles and pro AF/build, with a good motor drive, and I couldn’t afford a Ds anyway…
It would seem fairly moronic for Canon to offer a straight up APS-H vs a FF with dynamic cropping. How many more bodies could they sell with ff and the option to switch to the ‘H’? The 1Ds are a niche market, the 5D Mark II is great but not pro enough, so that leaves a crop framed camera in the sweat spot (price wise) for the majority of pro shooters. I know way more pros who have 1D bodies vs 1Ds. I’ve got a 1Ds Mark II, which I love, but there is no way the 1Ds Mark III is attractive when compared with the image quality of the 5D Mark II. A ff 1D would rule the roost. Those few who need 24 mp and up will get their 1Ds Mark IV while the rest of us will have a dream camera and remain loyal to Canon.
That’s the 60d’s job. The 1D competes with the D# and the 1Ds competes with the D3x.
D300 was the 50d (Advantage Nikon)
D700 was the 5d2 (Advantage Canon)
The D3 was a response to the 1d Mark3 (Advantage Nikon)
The D3 came out later and has better ISO and FF but before the D3 there was no FF from Nikon.
No FF? Guess we’ll continue to see more and more black lenses at pro events.
If the new 1D does not have a FF sensor I will not buy it, simple as!! I will also be very F**KED OFF about this as i have kinda been looking forward to its release, and havent purchased the 5D2 for this reason. I could have been enjoying the use of a 5D2 for months now.
APS-H. Thank Heavens! I had no doubt on this, anyway, as for the 15mp.
Let’s cheer and shout for a built-in gps now… And, possibly, ECF (Chuck Westfall’s June tech tips reports: “I will consider it [ECF] for use in a future monthly edition of Tech Tips”), but I imagine we have to wait at least another couple of years to see ECF introduced in a DSLR…
I really hope it’s a FF instead of 1.3X crop, even though it’s good for sport, a 16mp FF with a faster digic processor will be a nice replacement for the 1Ds2…
Good news, I would have no use for a full frame 16mp, it doesn’t make any sense to me. Those who want a 1 series 16mp Full Frame can get the excellent 1DS MK II for under $2,000.
I expect journalists weighed in heavily on this, they don’t need Full Frame, they don’t need the huge files to fill up their memory cards. This is not a landscape or a wedding camera, it is optomized for PJ’s.
A APS-H sensor at 16mp is the same photosite density as the 5D MK II, so with a better sensor, it should bump the high ISO by a stop or more over the 5D II.
An APS-H sensor at 16mp has the same photosite density as a 27mp FF sensor. The 1d mark IV could use the same sensor of the rumored 7D and if it bump the high ISO by a stop over the 5D we can really define the 1Dmark IV/7D as “The Lords of Darkness”.
APS-H is DEAD.
Leaving the 1D series in APS-H (instead of having APS-H as a dynamic cropping function) is a HUGE WASTE of the camera’s potential.
Hoorrrayyy…no stinking FF!!.
Good observation.
Totally. Why they’d keep the H 1.3 around is beyond me. FF for true wide angle should be standard on both 1 series bodies. 1.3 is too much magnification on the wide side and not enough on the tele side compared to 1.6 and I had hoped they would kill off the H chip this round as I could use a high speed 1D addition – but not if its the H sensor and not FF.
APS-H blows smog and sucks canal water. The 1Ds MKII is too slow, I want a FF high speed body, and if this rumor is true Canon blew it big time.
Ditto…thinking about 5D2 now that there is some manual control of the video recording. But I had a high speed FF body on my wish list so I hope this rumor is false.
What a disappointment! I hope that dumbass source is dead wrong.
Yep.
I’m not going to switch over it, like my L glass too much, but Canon will not get a 1D4 sale from me if this H rumor is true.
Sadly it may not be a deal killer for pro sports shooters, but I think keeping the H sensor is short sighted on Canon’s part as there would have been a much bigger buyer market if it was FF.
YESSS
1 for us birders.
canon 800mm x 1.3 = 1040 nice.
An old Curse certainly says that Canonians are doomed to be reincarnated in milk cows :)
Hand milking or pumps?
Hmm … a 16Mp FF sensor will generate RAWs of same size as a 16Mp APS-H sensor…
you perv ;P
Canon can shove the APS-H sensor where not even the lord of darkness could find it as far I’m concerned.
What about adding Resident Evil or at least a Wii controller?
The people who think everything should be FF should come back to earth.
from your keyboard to Canon’s engineer’s ears – who better not be keeping that sensor alive…
800mm x 1.6 = 1280mm – much nicer – let 1.3 die already
Nikon was freakin genious to use the dynamic crop. There are fewer and fewer pjs out there able to pay rent, let alone buy new cameras and fewer newspapers able to buy company bodies. But last time I checked there were a lot of wedding shooters (too many in my market – why don’t you guys shoot birds and give me a bigger market share ;) ) and a camera that caters to both wedding/eventers and pjs makes way more sense in these “difficult economic times” – for canon and for us. All you ff haters, just ask for dynamic cropping and then we can all be friends again.
Exactly. Especially with everyone’s out-of-job-uncle who owns a Rebel trying to get in on the wedding market, pros could use a FF high speed body.
No one is saying everything should be FF, I love the 1.6 on the 50D, but there is no high speed pro FF body from Canon and there should be.
Agreed. 1.0X and 1.6X is enough differentiation.
Yeah I like both. I bought a 50D just for the 1.6 crop, might even upgrade if they add minimum of 1080p 30 fps and 7 fps stills on the 60D. I have an old 1D, and I never liked the 1.3 crop, which is why I went with 1Ds afterwards. But the 1D line should go FF and offer a dynamic crop of 1.3 like Nikon does on the D3. If they put good HD video and FF on the 1D4 I’ll get one of those too, if it’s 1.3 I will not buy it.
Hmmm… 1ds MkIII ?
don’t get me started, the admin gods will toss me for sure.
Lucky bastard. How come you get special attention in that department?
Well, if this is true I certainly won’t be buying a 1D mark IV. I hope it is not true. I was hoping for that 16MP Full Frame sweet spot. Canon will be behind if this is true.
LOL at least someone followed that
Have that. Too slow. Only 5 fps. 1D MKIII is 10 fps, but not FF.
Well, there’s always the option to go for a “backlit” sensor. That might or might not come in their next generation of pro bodies. Sony will probably get there first, though.
For those not familiar with it, the “backlit” sensor puts the photosites between the light path and the circuitry instead of the other way around (or alongside) as it is today. That means that ALL of the surface area of the sensor gathers light, not just some of it.
The human eye is “designed” all wrong in this respect, too: the nerves and blood vessels are in front of the retina instead of behind it. The otherwise very similar eye of an octopus has it the right way around, though.
So, Canon, less human and more octopus, please. An 8D?
Not sure I’d say behind, just not offering the same as others, no one company makes everything everyone else does…but I do think Canon would be losing a lot of added sales not going FF on the 1D4.
@ Denni, very true
why don’t we keep the cool nicknames from WoW to ourselves, lest karma doom Canon’s next camera to terrible noise performance?
I see, but then you’d want a faster 1DS mark 4, this has nothing to do with asp-h…
they can add WoW, Doom or even Resident Evil so no one would notice the noise
I can live with 10 fps if they’d make it FF and not ASP-H. I will not buy another ASP-H camera.
I agree. I was talking about two different bodies: a FF 1D and a D60 incorporating the same basic sensor technology. Sorry if I confused people.
LOL.
Whoops, make that the 60D
I don’t understand the reason of your answer. I said that if Canon could make an APS-H 16mp sensor with better High ISO than 5DmarkII, it would be a real technological success because of its higher photosite density. It doesn’t mean that I believe it will happen or that there will be a 7D named “Lord of Darkness”
is there a pro sport PJ on here ?
nop. Rob Galbraith has just left the building :o)
sulking because Vincent Laforet got the 1D4 to test and not him…
I just overheard Robby G. at the pub saying that he had it all wrong. His lenses were set to manual focus the whole time… :)
i just want ff, more spread out and more focusing points, and a few more mp than the original 5d, is that to much to ask? i dont care about speed, 3fps is fine for me. :D
hahahahahaha LOL!!!
I hate people saying theres a much bigger market for full frame than 1.3 based on him and his friend photographer in his city in his country!
I bet canon has that studied out a lot better than all you people rushing into conclusions with no facts at all
There are two FF Canon choices if you don’t care about speed, the 1Ds mkIII and 5D MkII. There are no Canon FF choices for anyone wanting speed.
Given the D3 sales I’d say you’re mistaken. If Canon keeps the 1.3 it’ll be because they had vested too much in an improved ASP-H sensor before they realized the demand for FF evidenced by the D3 and didn’t want to redesign for a faster FF camera.
I think “bigger market” has to do with a lot of factor especially price, if FF is cheaper than 1.3 in a pro body anytime has a bigger market.
By the way to the earlier post, 1Ds2 was too slow and that is true, even though I have gotten used to it, but once you get a faster body like the 5D2 it’s a pain to use that 1Ds2 again, many people wanted a faster body including myself, I hope 1D4 will be 21mp like the 5D2 too, but that’s not likely to happen, so 16mp is a realistic expectation since I’m quite happy with it right now.
Well if that is true they have just lost two sales. I already have two on preorder from my local dealer, but if they aren’t full frame they can forget it.
looks like im a lucky bastard, and my source too were accurate, like what i have said in this rumors
http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/06/the-lord-of-darkness-cr1/
good luck guys, by the way my source told me that it is dual digic IV not V.
That was the 1Ds Mark II. We don’t need that as a new camera.
Own the 1DMkIII and I really miss the FF, was looking forward to the 1DMkIV but if it s going to be an APS-H no way in hell I m buying it. Looks like I ll have to buy the 5DMkII afterall. Canon please make it with the FF sensor, hell for all I care you can keep the 1.3x crop option, and that way will be all happy.
1.6 sensor has reach its limit in MP. 15 MP in APS-C sucks. APS-H is larger than APS-C but smaller than FF. FF is to short for birding, and if you use dynamic crop you just waste your money for buying FF and trowing away 36.57% of your sensor.
lol… it wont hurt canon if it is just 2 units. and always put in your mind that Glass generates more sales than body. lets put it this way, a high speed FF in full body price @ $6000 vs. a high speed APS-H that has the same I.Q. and price @ $4000, which one would you get? FF are for landscape shooter, APS-H/ 1.3 crop is for sports/PJs and many pro wedding shooter. you will not be needing shorter than 35mm. equivalent in a wedding, so 28mm. in 1.3 crop is 36mm. equivalent. putting 28-70mm. glass gets you 36-91mm equivalent and that’s sweet in wedding.
Did you also sign in as Denz in that rumor thread? You claim: “XD line as FF, XXD as 1.3 crop, XXXD as 1.6 crop and XXXXD as micro 4/3 that’s more logical.”
So, does your source inform you this is the xxD line or is that your hope?
Are you really thinking? 15 MP APS-H sensor is equivalent to the D3X FF sensor in terms of pixel density. And the latter is better than the D3 sensor.
yes but the difference between the 2 is $4000 more for a few auto focusing points… plus… looking towards the future i want to be able to shoot clear pictures in low light, and … i dont need so much mp for the work i do.
OK I am apparently in the minority, but I will look forward to a 1.3 crop 16 MP 1D MK4 (27 MP FF equivalent). I shoot 85% wildlife and birds. The extra reach and pro build with fast frame rate is just what I need. The 1.3 allows smaller file sizes. My wife’s 40D gives us the option of 1.6 crop. I understand that FF gives wide angle lens full angle of view, but the 1.3 crop eliminates many of the flaws that many of you would crop out of the printed image anyway. Yes, Canon and Nikon WA glass all have edge defects evident on FF sensors.
Those of you who love FF should wait for the 1DsMK4 which will most likely have a faster frame rate than the current model.
I dont think 1.6 sensor has reached it’s limit in MP. And it’s not a waste of money for dynamic crop if you use a wide angle on the FF camera too and shoot more than just birds with your $4500 camera.
I agree. though I think that Canon should slow down with the megapixels, given the whole 40D vs 50D sensor thing. lots more resolution can and will exist, but there’s no use having it if it degrades other areas of image performance, so I think they should slow down some to let technology mature. It seems from the spec lists we’ve gotten for the 60D that this might be what they do.
$4000 more? hoe about $1800 more from the 5DII.
As a part time sports shooter and photojournalist, I can tell you that I demand FF in my next body for improved use of ultrawide-angle and fisheye lenses, as well as more control over depth of field.
The 1Ds line will not likely ever hit the 10 fps range or be targeted for sports/wildlife/PJ.
Question: Are birders Pro photographers? I don’t mean to insult, my point is, is there enough of a market for bird photos, and therefore well funded people in large numbers, not the occasional well funded enthusiast (who probably makes stellar photos), to justify maintaining APS-H over FF?
Because FF is for sports shooters, wedding photogs, and PJs, as clearly demonstrated by the D3, so I really think that in the interest of making more people happy Canon ought to (not saying they will) go FF. I would love FF with dynamic 1.3 crop, as someone posted above, that would be a great combo.
Well the 5D2 is nowhere near as tough a camera as the 1Ds/1D and that’s a big part of the extra coin, not just focus focus points.
APS-C has not reached its limit unless you can claim there will be no more technology advances in the world. Dynamic crop is not a waste of money if you want to shoot anything wide or other than birds with your $4500 camera.
It will probably reach 10fps eventually…
Nonetheless, the jist of this is correct, PJ’s, etc… need decent file size, not monsters, and however fast the Ds is the D can always be twice as fast at half the resolution. I think that distinguishing between them in terms of sensor size was a good thing back when FF sensors cost an arm and a leg to manufacture, since no one could reasonably pay Ds prices for a 1D type of system. However, in light of the D3, Canon should not persist with maintaining different sensor sizes between its two professional lines.
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yes, but not this series, next batch you’ll see. so those who are waiting for a fast FF you can see that in 1D Mk V. not this time guys..
and by the way there will be no Mk VI. canon will skip that nos.
They should certainly focus more on improving dynamic range and low light noise and let the MP go up when the tech is really ready for it. We’ll see about the 60D.
Sports in wide angle? how wide? shooting a bird in the wild or running car using 12mm.? you’re kidding right?
$5300 difference by my count between FF cameras – 1Ds MkIII and 5D MkII.
Here here. I do some PJ work too, and shoot wildlife and some sports for fun. And I use wide lenses at weddings too. I want it FF with dynamic crop 1.3 – happy to give up some real estate to crop in-camera when I want to.
I doubt the 1Ds will hit 10 fps, Zac. I think Canon will always go for highest MP over speed on the 1Ds line. Keep in mind many of the top speeds are JPEG only, RAW typically slows them down or limits the number of frames per burst like the 1Ds3 gives me only 12 shots at 5fps RAW, but 56 in JPEG. The 1D3 gives you 10 fps for 110 JPEG or 30 RAW. While I hope the 1D4 is FF, I expect Canon will still focus on higher fps and burst frame numbers no matter which sensor it ends up with.
I dont know anyone making a living shooting birds. I know of a couple wildlife shooters who seem to get by doing documentaries and magazine work. But we’re not talking about very many people in the world actually making money shooting wildlife. I know I dont. But I love it so I shoot it for fun – and that’s one reason I’d want to use the camera for other things like wedding or PJ so I could at least justify the expense, which FF can do. I will not spend the money for APS-H though.
“remain loyal to Canon”
do they pay you or something?
Depends on the sport. Big difference between shooting surfing from shore and being behind the hoop of a basketball game where you want your 135 2.0 L to be 135 or your 200 2.0 L to be 200 because you’re only 15 feet away from the action.
you know i kinda get it… and i kinda dont… i mean… im comparing how our(canon’s) pro and prosumer compair to nikon’s pro and prosumer…. are they not built to the quality of canons? i dont understand that?
+1 FTW! :D
I don’t understand the reason behind your answer. Why is higher photosite density a good thing?
AFAIK, 16MP @ FF gives better IQ than 16MP @ 1.3 crop, which in turn gives better IQ than 16MP @ 1.6 crop. No?
how many camera do you bring when shooting for example basketball? because if your using prime i don’t think you can get a nice shot. during my 5D MKI days, my fav glass was my 24-70mm 2.8L (i haven’t shot in basketball) because of zoom flexibility. i always bring my 40D with my 70-200mm. (not IS) in it for reach. even though i use FF 24mm is enough, i use my FF for landscape and if i need high ISO. i sold my 5D when my friend at canon told me that 5D MKII will be out to the market (2 Months before the announcement) because of the I.Q. i see in 450D, an entry level that can nearly much the 5D I.Q. i do believe that this new APS-H sensor will surpass the current 5D MKII I.Q. even it is FF. (my friend told me to wait for this body that’s why i didn’t buy the 5D MKII. 1Ds FF sensor will be base in the the APS-H sensor’s design.
“new APS-H” sensor sorry for typing “the the APS-H”. and my 70-200mm is f2.8L non IS.
who told you that it will not hit 10fps? ok your right, but it will not be the same as before, 1Ds MKIV will be 27MP with 25MP effective sensor @ 8fps. opps… i think that’s too much for today’s info guys. got to go…
that is what Nikon miss in there line, and that’s where canon aim to market 1D, not directly in D3 line. canon will not compete directly with nikon, since when did the two compete directly? 1000D (canon) – D5000 (nikon) – 500D (canon) – D90 (nikon) – 50D (canon) – D300 (nikon) – 5D (canon) – D700 (nikon) – 1D (canon) – D3 (nikon) – 1Ds (canon) – D3x (nikon), is there a direct competition? 1 will overtake the other when new model came out.
Can AF points cover the whole view finder from FF camera ? What is dynamic 1.3 crop ?
Will it reduce the file size and increase the fps ?
not
Scrolling through comments, the only legit reason for this H format I found was PJ’s who don’t need FF and high pixel count. But they would then be perfectly fine with C format and the resulting smaller, more lightweight and cheaper lenses!! For H you need heavy & expensive FF lenses, so you might as well use an FF sensor for better sensitivity and DR.
where did you hear about that outrageous price?
If you think 1.3 is good for all wedding photographers you are mistaken. I already have a 1DII and two 5Ds and I virtually never use the 1DII due to the larger DOF that it involves. I shoot ultra shallow with fast glass and any APS-H sensor is going to make it harder for me to shoot shallow than a full frame.
Add to that the fact that a 16MP full frame has much larger photosites than a 16MP APS-H means more capability for low light shooting – another priority.
If this is true I will simply keep shooting for at least another year with the 5Ds and Canon loses my cash.
I don’t want a 35MP 1Ds4 – I don’t need or want that resolution, increase in file size, increase in processing time etc. Add to that high ISO that is compromised by photosite size and a higher cost. Give me a waterproofed 16MP 1D4 with excellent high ISO and I will buy 2.
It will probably be that much seeing how bad the $ is doing against the Pound, Euro and Yen.
Yes. But if a 16mp APS-H with DIGIC V and a new sensor technology could give better IQ than a 21mp FF with DIGIC IV and the present technology, I would be happy the same. For example, we could suppose a new way of manufacturing the sensor but that this technology is too expensive for a FF sensor. Do you think that a “traditional” 16mp FF would be surely better than a “new” APS-H sensor?
: DDDDD
Good question. No. But they make all the stuff from which I make a living. I have invested tens of thousands in Canon products and I can’t afford to resupply with all new Nikon gear. So if Canon takes a nose dive, so do I. These days a rediculous number of my clients seem to care what gear I use. So it really is in my best financial interests for Canon to continue making great gear, sometimes the best gear, because that does make people more comfortable with me. Trust me, I wish it were different!
No, apparently I’m not really thinking. But that doesn’t change the fact that you’re wrong, genius.
Please god, please! Let this rumor be false! Just when I’ve saved up for a 1D body and crave full frame, this comes along! 1,3 crop is usable, but I would sure prefer FF over that any day.
Like most others here state, they should do a FF body with crap capability – heck, throw in EF-S (1.6 cropped of course) support as well and they have a winner on their hands.
It’s good but not that good…
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond3x/page17.asp
I shoot mainly motorsport and use 2x MK2N’s. From my point of view the H is perfect and most of the Canon guys i know who do the same stuff use H aswell (Mk3 problems aside). The quality is a notch up on the 1.5/1.6 crop of the usual stuff while the extra few mm’s on the lens is always useful. My two colleagues shoot Nikon, one of them with a 300 and the other with a 300 and a 7. The low light stuff is where i really struggle which was really highlighted to me when we covered UK supercross (indoor motocross) so id really like to see Nikon or better low light performance along with a wider spread of AF points with the more cross type the better. That’s my take but Canon wont build a camera just for me. B->
The 1DsMkII didn’t do 9-10FPS and do high quality ISO6400, expandable to 25,600. The Nikon D3 changed everything and this camera would be 2 years newer. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to expect/demand that the 1DMk4 give at least as good DR and noise as the D3, except with 16MP.
However, I would prefer 12MP with even better DR and noise than the D3.
oh, I misread the statement as between the 5d2 and 1D body.
mmm…they keep making it faster, (with more resolution) so assuming things continue at their current rate they will reach 10fps with the 1 Ds mk X, and that will have twice the resolution and half the motor drive of the 1 D mk X and this will be 21 years from now. so I’ll say that the Ds will eventually reach 10 fps. :D
They compete directly at the very top, since that is their pride and joy. the entire rest of the line is stagerred against the others, but the D3 is a direct competitor to the 1D mk III, and the D3x is a direct competitor to the D3x.
no, there is a limit to what area can be covered by AF points by the size of the sub-mirror return array, there is of course a limit to how big that can be. But it can still cover a lot of the VF
If it was a FF body with crap capability it would be a Sony.
Ba-da-boom! :D
Not necessarily, but I think that a ‘new’ 16mp FF sensor would be better than a ‘new’ 16mp APS-H sensor. You can’t have too much IQ! ;)
It makes no sense to switch to a manufacturer everytime a different one comes out with the top cam for a year or two unless you have tons of money to burn. If I had to sell all my gear and buy new Nikon gear I’d lose my profit margins, and then I’d have to dump the Nikon gear when Canon smokes them in a year or two, as they keep pushing their products to new heights. Only a fool would switch like that. It’s not loyality, just practical.
Both companies have their strengths and weaknesses and always will.
I typically have two bodies as I prefer primes, but I use zooms too – the 24-70L I keep on a body for quick uses. Basketball is easy for primes because most of the action takes place in predictable locations, the trick is to be ready and in the right place. Some sports like football have such a large area range and the action can get really close or be far away and you can’t predict it, but that’s part of the fun of shooting it. The only place I really like the crop is wildlife, but there’s no money I make with that, so I want a fast body I can use FF not APS-H. It’s economics for me as I’m not gonna spend $4500 on a new body to shoot only birds or surfers.
Definately. APS-H sucks for weddings.
Maybe. I suspect the HD video in the cameras will lead to scalable speed/resolution, so perhaps it will hit 12 fps at 2K resolution or something like that while keep the priority for the 1Ds for max rez but slower fps. Who knows, new technology tends to change the way we work and redefine things, but for the time being I think the 1d line will remain the speed demon.
Sounds good to me.
They have this little thing called a menu on the back of the camera. It lets you do this magical trick of setting the camera to a lower resolution if you don’t need the highest resolution. Your logic is like “don’t give me a million dollars if I only need a thousand.”
true, but he also wants bigger photosites.
Antony I’m inalmost exactly the same boat. except I’ll only be buying 1
Hey I want a FF 1D4 high DR high speed low light shooting body too! Just saying MP bashing makes no sense.
Ed…i am a photojournalist and i along with just about every other PJ i know wants the 1D to go full frame.
Practical. Much better word than loyalty.
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At least Apple is smart enough to put touch-focus on their new iPhone 3GS… If Canon were to do that on a pro camera it would make LiveView a real useful thing.
As cool as that is, I think pro cameras should stay away from touchscreens to avoid accidental operations.
Sure, the reversed sensor would be nice, and I think we’ll go there at some point to get more noise performance out of the sensors. They’re most common today for professional astronomers to get more performance out of their telescopes.
The sensors are insanely expensive to manufacture, though, because one basically has to precicely etch the silicon off of the reverse side of the sensor to make it thinner (I’m really simplifying, here, but you get the point–manufacturing becomes quite a bit more complicated). The sensors normally get special coatings, then, too. Essentially, I think it will likely be a generation or two at least until the prices are reasonable, even for a 1D body.
touch focus will be as cool as eye control of EOS 3. when will we see 1 of that touch focus in live view with eye focus in VF. that would be a true Pro Camera.
I could go for eye-controlled focus, so long as I could disable it if desired (which would of course be the case)
seriously my thoughts exactly
Sony already have such a sensor in their HDR-XR500 camcorder. However, camcorder sensors are much smaller, so they are cheaper to produce.
We should see about an extra stop of sensitivity if they get it right and progress is being made all of the time on the manufacturing front:
http://www.photonics.com/Content/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=34685
I doubt that Canon are working on a “replacement for the 1Ds2”; they released that replacement already. If it didn’t meet your expectations, that’s too bad.
The bottom line is probably that Canon can make a 1.3x crop sensor for less money and the majority of the target market for the 1D will be happy with it. A FF sensor with a crop mode might help to sell a few more cameras, but would it make more money for Canon if they have to price either camera to compete with the Nikon D3?
I can understand how a high frame rate can be useful for sports shooting, but at a wedding? How often is 4fps not enough for a wedding? How exactly does it help you to earn more money? (Apart from the obvious answer that the noise of the camera is “cool”, and if you have a cool camera….)
eye control. Cool. Canon do this again.
Agreed, I am cheesed off as well if it is true. If I wanted a crop sensor I would by a 450D. But I am hanging out to upgrade from my 1d mark2.
Weddings are live action, no do overs – once the moment is gone its gone. I get paid to deliver great shots no one else is getting. Being able to pick out the perfect moment of expression is why I’m there, and the more to choose from the better so you lessen chances of a blink or head turn being all you got of the perfect moment.
Eye control sounds cool… why was it discontinued?
I would like to see a camera with APS-H and an Electronic Viewfinder (like Pana G1) from Canon. I wish to use my Leica Lenses on this camera.
I hope there will come a solution in short time.
Regards,
Bernd.
Bahh, you can have any file size you want from any kind of sensor. It’s all about processing.
I don’t match the Nikon D700 vs the Canon 5%2. In my mind they are not even competitors.
One has 21mp the other 12mp.
One has 3.9 FPS the other 5 to 8 FPS with grip.
One has an old 15 AF system that everyone would like replaced the other new pro level 51 point AF system.
One has really bad weather seals the other excellent weather seals.
Other than price, are they even close to each other.
Both are great cameras, for what they are good at, but they don’t compete.
Dave
or he was talking about a Ds
I’m sure if you polled Pro’s who are stuck using the 1D Mark III that they would probalby take a drop in resolution just to get a working and RELIABLE Autofocus system.