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Atomos brings 8K 30p ProRes RAW to the Canon EOS R5 with the Ninja V+

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Melbourne, Australia – 28th April 2021 – Atomos is thrilled to announce that it is expanding the Ninja family, with two exciting new Ninja products and a major update for Ninja V!

Ninja V receives the option for H.265 codec upgrade, Ninja V+ – is built for Apple ProRes RAW 8K productions, and Ninja Stream – 4Kp60 HDR for a high-quality social distancing production environment.

The Ninja V receives H.265 (HEVC)

The original Ninja V, launched in 2018, remains the most popular Atomos product and receives the ability to add the H.265 (HEVC) codec. The 5” 1000nit 10-stop HDR monitor allows users to accurately monitor and record from either HDMI or SDI. Atomos continues to expand Apple ProRes RAW support on all partner cameras over HDMI and SDI. The Ninja V will continue to receive updates for cameras and additional functionality via AtomX modules whilst remaining at the price of $595.

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The popular Ninja V is the workhorse and creative tool of choice for the wider film and pro-video industries and will now benefit from the addition of H.265 workflows, with up to 4Kp60 10-bit 4:2:2 full ‘i’ frame with options for 8-bit at various data rates. Atomos will be adding these features through a simple one-click $99 upgrade from my.atomos.com in May 2021.

Preorder the Atomos Ninja V+ & Ninja V+ Pro Kit at Adorama

Welcoming the Ninja V+

Atomos is excited to reveal the new Ninja V+ and Ninja V+ Pro Kit, building on the foundation of the Ninja V, coming to you in May 2021. The Ninja V+ delivers high-quality accurate monitoring and extended recording capabilities for your camera of choice. Delivering support for continuous recording of 8Kp30 and 4Kp120 in Apple ProRes RAW adding to the great workflow of Ninja V, which brings together the great partnerships with camera manufactures and the world’s leading editing systems for our customers.

Included in the codec arsenal is the ability to record video inputs using the10-bit H.265 (HEVC) codec for high-quality compressed recordings with small file sizes, which is perfect for the world we now live in, where streaming and sharing online has dramatically increased.

a picture containing screen dark description aut - Atomos brings 8K 30p ProRes RAW to the Canon EOS R5 with the Ninja V+

Ninja V+, sports a new stealth grey bezel and expands the processing power to deliver for 8k and high-frame-rate RAW recording. Using the latest chip technology, this premium Ninja has plenty of grunt to be able to record ProRes RAW at even higher frame rates and higher resolutions than the Ninja V. The extra horsepower under the hood allows the platform to add other ‘plus’ features when combined with future Atomos products and upcoming AtomX modules. The efficiency

of ProRes RAW opens the possibility for creativity with the increase in resolution or frame rate whilst maintaining a workflow that can seamlessly slide on to the timeline of your existing ProRes RAW projects.

Ninja V+ and 8K workflow

We are also delighted to announce that the Ninja V+ will be able to record 8Kp30 ProRes RAW when connected to a Canon EOS R5 mirrorless camera.

Atomos and Canon are delighted to be bringing customers a world-first for capturing stunning pristine 8K images with such an affordable, capable, and compact camera system. This will be a true game-changer in content creation.

The ProRes RAW format is a perfect vehicle for an 8K workflow, from ease of use natively on the timeline within Final Cut Pro, to the flexibility of the image processing with full adjustment of WB and ISO control.

Coupled with the proven Full Frame Canon EOS R5, this combination will propel content creators to a whole new level of production values. Coming later in 2021.

Ninja V+ and 4Kp120

Capture and visualize the unseen with 4Kp120 recording at up to ProRes RAW from the Ninja V+ and the Z CAM E2 and E2-M4 models. Fully harness the dynamic range of the sensor and capture every aspect of motion and movement directly via RAW over HDMI. Add to this the benefit of being able to playback the high-frame-rate video captured on the Ninja V+ with your choice of over cranked framerate for real-time preview.

Ninja V+ Pro Kit and 4Kp120

To support SDI users, we are also introducing the Ninja V+ Pro Kit which comes packed with additional accessories and enables 4Kp120 ProRes RAW recording mode from the SDI RAW output of the Sony’s FX9* and FX6*. Customers of both Atomos and Sony will now be able to experience the benefits of working with images at a high frame rate and resolutions, whilst recording in

pristine ProRes RAW directly from the Ninja V+ Pro Kit monitor-recorder for maximum flexibility in the edit.

*The FX9 requires the XDCA-FX9 Extension unit and both the FX6 and FX9 require the AtomX SDI module with RAW activation (or the Pro Kit).

H.265 (HEVC) 10-bit 4:2:2 Recording

The expanded codec family is included with the Ninja V+ and Ninja V+ Pro Kit, enabled via the codec activation in the my.atomos.com portal. Existing and future owners of the incredibly popular Ninja V and Ninja V Pro Kit can also upgrade to the highly efficient H.265 codec to expand their codec options This feature will be available in May 2021 for $99 and allowing future Ninja users

to explore traditional streaming, broadcast, and proxy workflows.

Ninja V+ and Ninja V+ Pro Kit

The extended family members to the Ninja V line-up come readily enabled with ProRes RAW recording from 30 different cameras via HDMI and selected RAW over SDI cameras, which provides users the option to select their preferred choice of camera body and lens optics. Combine your style and camera operational know-how with Ninja’s precise 5” 1000Nit display. Utilize the built-in 3D LUT box function with your own custom LUTs or enable

the AtomHDR processing engines for built-in Log to HDR transforms. The bright and accurate Ninja V display allows you to lock in your LOOK on set and realize the same image in post-production with the same LOOK and options for HDR in your preferred NLEs. Users are now equipped to deliver their creative intent with higher frame rates of 4Kp120 and 8Kp30 in ProRes RAW, edit-ready codecs

in ProRes and Dnx, and the ability to also deliver highly efficient codecs like H.265.

Introducing the Atomos Ninja Stream – Social Distance Production Tool

In addition to the above, we are also excited to introduce the Atomos Ninja Stream, which has been designed specifically to overcome the challenges of today’s socially distanced

productions, offers simultaneous recordings of both ProRes and H.264/5 proxy with shared file names and timecode, whilst sending video feeds to other Ninja’s, smart devices or web-

based platforms simultaneously – all from one tiny package.

The incredibly powerful Ninja Stream is a 5” 4Kp60 Connected HDR Monitor-Recorder with Wi-Fi, Ethernet, and USB-C to usher in a new era of streaming on productions without a computer in sight. Video feeds are shared with others on set via Wi-Fi to devices and Ethernet 1Gbe at up

to 300m and Livestream your content around the world without the need for a PC – all at the same time.

The Ninja Stream provides users with a device that delivers everything they know and love about the Atomos Ninja V and adds features that have been designed for the Covid-19 world.

word image - Atomos brings 8K 30p ProRes RAW to the Canon EOS R5 with the Ninja V+

Tune in to Atomos.com Thursday 6th May for more information about Ninja Stream and more news from Atomos.

Preorder the Atomos Ninja V+ & Ninja V+ Pro Kit at Adorama

NINJA Family V PRO KIT V+ PRO KIT
Features
10-bit HDR
4K 60p Video
H.264/H.265 (HEVC) OPTIONAL’ OPTIONAL’
HD 60p up to 120p
Apple ProRes®
Ethernet/USB-C/WiFi
8k 30p/4k 120p RAW0
4k 60p RAW
RAW over HDMI
RAW over SDI OPTIONAL ‘ OPTIONAL ‘
AVID DNx
Price USD $595 $849 $1499 $1699 POA

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Besisika

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Apparently, from the product preorder pages:

ProRes raw recording over HDMI up to 8K30 with cameras such as the Canon R5 (more camera integrations coming from mid-2021)
I already own the Ninja V and don't really use it, but I would buy the V+ if 8k prores raw from the R5 would be included. Seriously, I doubt that.
 
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According to Canon (page 905 of the manual) the R5 cannot output 8k over HDMI, the HDMI standard (hardware) fitted to the R5 is incapable of doing 8K.

Atoms are using the same ‘marketing terminology’ they have done before, ie, completely falsely misrepresenting the actual abilities of the cameras, not their products.

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According to Canon (page 905 of the manual) the R5 cannot output 8k over HDMI, the HDMI standard (hardware) fitted to the R5 is incapable of doing 8K.

Atoms are using the same ‘marketing terminology’ they have done before, ie, completely falsely misrepresenting the actual abilities of the cameras, not their products.

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Would it be possible with a hardware update to Canon service?
Or simply because it is for a different version of R5?
Anyway, the H.265 on the V could interest me.
 

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Would it be possible with a hardware update to Canon service?
Or simply because it is for a different version of R5?
Anyway, the H.265 on the V could interest me.
I very much doubt it, my understanding, and I could be wrong, is that it is the chip that controls the HDMI port. There is no chance Canon will change those. Of course they might make an R5n, like the 1D MkIIn that had some hardware improvements over the MkII, but I doubt it. Maybe the R3 will have a higher spec HDMI controller.
 

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Does the R5 put out 8k through hdmi? If not how this Ninja can record 8k from R5?
The word on the YouTubes was that the R5 HDMI was not fast enough but Atomos knows how popular the R5 is and can afford one to test with.
If it works without overheating then this is a must-buy for me even though I already own a Ninja V.
I guess I will keep it as a backup.
 
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According to Canon (page 905 of the manual) the R5 cannot output 8k over HDMI, the HDMI standard (hardware) fitted to the R5 is incapable of doing 8K.

Atoms are using the same ‘marketing terminology’ they have done before, ie, completely falsely misrepresenting the actual abilities of the cameras, not their products.

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Capabilities aside there is no setting for 8K or 4K/120 over HDMI so Atomos would have to be working with modified firmware.
 
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According to Canon (page 905 of the manual) the R5 cannot output 8k over HDMI, the HDMI standard (hardware) fitted to the R5 is incapable of doing 8K.

Atoms are using the same ‘marketing terminology’ they have done before, ie, completely falsely misrepresenting the actual abilities of the cameras, not their products.

The R5, as far as I can tell, has HDMI 2.0 which supports 8k30 4:2:0 (as well as 4k120 4:2:0). While the manual says it's not supported, the HDMI hardware can. Assuming the rest of the hardware can actually support 8k over HDMI, I imagine there will be a firmware update to officially support this.
 
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"Atomos and Canon are delighted"
The R5, as far as I can tell, has HDMI 2.0 which supports 8k30 4:2:0 (as well as 4k120 4:2:0). While the manual says it's not supported, the HDMI hardware can. Assuming the rest of the hardware can actually support 8k over HDMI, I imagine there will be a firmware update to officially support this.
It looks like the announcement is coming from both Atomos and Canon so I do expect a firmware update.
I do hope Black Magic responds in kind.
They do seem to be trailing Atomos.
I question what an R5c would have to be to coexist with R5 + Ninja V+, R3, C90, and R1 but I still do hope they all come in some form.
 
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Incredible news! I always thought there was a hardware limitation on this, but if Atomos is collaborating with Canon on this and specifically mentioning the R5 in their announcement, well then... I'm not complaining if they can make it work.

I loved the idea of shooting a large stage in 8K and zooming panning in post delivering in 4K or even FHD. The only issue is, the R5 will only give you 15 minutes and subsequently shorter times. So unless your event is short, the application was limited. Having an Atomos with a cheap SSD and no recording time limits makes the dream of an edit that looks multicam with a single camera alive again!
 

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Rushed to “peak happiness” for today until I realised It’ll still cost me $1499. IF I really want the 8K recording option. Still happy though, just not “I can just upgrade my worthy old Ninja V” -happy.
 

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The word on the YouTubes was that the R5 HDMI was not fast enough but Atomos knows how popular the R5 is and can afford one to test with.
If it works without overheating then this is a must-buy for me even though I already own a Ninja V.
I guess I will keep it as a backup.
I dont belive that some YouTube guys can actualy tear the mainboard apart and tell for sure what kind of technical connection is made inside of the HDMI port.
Currently 4k60 is the limit - but firmware update MAY change this. The Atomos announcement looks awesome.
Though I belive that 8k RAW is not an important feature for me. 4k RAW would be awesome, but 8k RAW is for 99% of my work overkill.
Also it would be important if the camera keeps overheating while recording externaly. If not, this would be a gamechanger and make the R5 fit for 8 more years :-D
 

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I dont belive that some YouTube guys can actualy tear the mainboard apart and tell for sure what kind of technical connection is made inside of the HDMI port.
Currently 4k60 is the limit - but firmware update MAY change this. The Atomos announcement looks awesome.
Though I belive that 8k RAW is not an important feature for me. 4k RAW would be awesome, but 8k RAW is for 99% of my work overkill.
Also it would be important if the camera keeps overheating while recording externaly. If not, this would be a gamechanger and make the R5 fit for 8 more years :-D
I would love 4K raw from the R5, but wouldn't it mean it'd be cropped? Not sure if the R5 can output a oversampled or pixel binned AND Raw image. This is why it already isn't available in camera. Unless the Atomos can do some of the processing? I don't know how that would work.

I doubt overheating will be an issue in a practical sense. There was a time when having the LCD screen on would cause overheating on the R5 even when outputting to a Ninja, but that's been fixed in a firmware update. 4K120 is the biggest culprit to overheating, so it might be technically possible to overheat with an external recorder, but I don't even know if this feature will be available. Currently the announcement says 4K120 is available with a couple Z-Cam models, and Sony cinema cameras utilizing the SDI Kit.