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This is some information from a couple of decent known sources about the upcoming 50D replacement. We should expect an announcement in the fall. Canon appears to be holding form on the new 1 year product cycle for the xxD line.
The Goodies
- The 60D will remain at 15.1mp. There will be an upgrade of the current sensor.
- There will be 1080p video at 30fps. Probably no manual control. What I got from this is the 5D2 will get a firmware functionality upgrade and the 60D will basically have what the 5D2 has now.
- We will see a newer AF system introduced.
- The camera will shoot 8fps.
- There will be a external mic jack.
- The camera will be DIGIC V
That's all I have for now.
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8fps!!!! Wow!!!
I hope the upgrade of the sensor deals with the major horizontal banding of full resolution RAW at high ISO.
Be nice if it could do higher ISOs yet, and lower noise, too, but that may be just a little too optimistic.
Then again… if they think they can sell this thing, and it stays at the same resolution… I don’t think video is going to be enough to do it, not with the 500D out there. Most consumers don’t know (and probably don’t care) that the frame rate of the 500D is slow. Most modern display systems can handle the frame rate, and certainly computers can.
Maybe we’ll even get IR and/or UV capability. That’d be amazing.
8 fps is huge…
1080p @ 24 is the Holy Grail but I am sure Canon is protecting their high camcorders…
M
A quick one, any news on the battery ? Any chance that the grip could be the same use on the 5D II ?
sounds like a great camera to replace my stolen(:() XTi!
i’ll keep waiting (fall?! :( ) and in the meantime i’m using a borrowed 20D…
I would love to see an articulated high-res screen! The new AF system would be a guaranteed buy for me though especially if did a better job in low light!
Video is nice but not a must for me. I would be interested in it going with a dual CF/SD memory slot.
I’m still on a Canon 40D but I like the fact that Canon is truly making improvements instead of going with the mega-pixel race. I hope that Canon makes the 60D what the Nikon D300 was when it came out; the camera most talked about.
better framerate an better af-system are the things i am waiting for to upgrade from my 30d!
15mp are more than enough
8fps are perfect
???20??? cross type af sensors would be perfect too
video, why not?
iso? as long as they don’t just blur the picture to reduce noise i am happy
Please, please, please, give the 60D 9 shots in Auto Exposure Bracketing (AEB) mode. That would go so smooth together with 8fps :))
if this is true, sign me up. I might even take 2 :) My 40D has been struggling from last jungle adventure, so its just an excuse to fix it and upgrade!
Uh… I’d stay take the 1080p/30 and go. 24 fps might be the grail if you’re stuck choosing between 1080i/60 or 1080p/24… the extra 6 fps at 1080p won’t hurt anything you’ll ever try to do… except sync to non-DSLR video which will run at 29.97.
OKAY, enough..I order 1, please !!!!!
But if Nikon also launch D300 replacement with similar spec.like 60D rumor..hmmm it’s tough choice.
-new AF
it’s about time!!!!! 5D2 needed it.
-8fps
a welcomed improvement.
-video like what the 5d2 has now
which could be a hint that the 5d2 might be getting a firmware upgrade to manual controls
and all the hack work on the 5d2 may be transferable to the 60d….interesting
This sounds about perfect. The advanced bracketing would be nice, but isn’t that more useful for a full-frame higher res camera for landscapes? Anyway, I think Canon would be wise to keep the mpx the same like they did between the 20D and 30D upgrade. At most make it 17mpx. A 100% viewfinder, 8 fps, 20+ autofocus points would be perfect. Any advancements in the sensor would be welcome. Both SD and CF compatible would be nice too. Lastly, weather sealing, please.
Beyond that, new lenses to match the 1.6X reach. 300 2.8 IS II, 400 2.8 IS II, 500 5.6 IS.
The 60D will remain at 15.1mp Good
There will be an upgrade of the current sensor
I hope less noise and better dynamic range
There will be 1080p video at 30fps don’t care
We will see a newer AF system introduced. Good
The camera will shoot 8fps So so
There will be a external mic jack. Don’t care
The camera will be DIGIC V Don’t care
Will I upgrade from de 40D?
If there is less noise and better dynamic range, probably
Bigger raw buffer would be needed with 8fps burst. Take it from 16 to 30 and we got a deal.
yawn… wake me up when they have a new tele announced… preferably a 600/5.6 or worst case a 500/5.6 for us FF peeps.
– This could be VERY GOOD NEWS for all the people Requesting (since months ago and by many ways) for FULL MANUAL CONTROL for VIDEO MODE for the 5D Mark II:
– http://5dmark2.wordpress.com
– It’s logigal to think that the 60D will have automatic movie mode and Canon will keep the “full manual” for the 5D Mark II (firmware update still to be released). Although not fully logical if we consider that still image capturing is able for full manual control even in the entry level DSLR.
But it is “logical” from a business point of view…
Why would it be the same grip as the 5d II? It seems more likely that it would the grip from the X0D series….although, I do with the X0D grips had an AF-ON button on the grip
I would also like to see the ability to save in .dng! That would be awesome!
yawn… wake me up when they have a new tele announced… preferably a 600/5.6 or worst case a 500/5.6 for us FF peeps.
+1
and even with a 1.6x sensor, we have been waiting for the replacement of the 400/5.6L for a too long time.
Canon is late on the Nikon bodies, but is also late in the prime lenses renewal…
And it’s a CR2!
Newer AF? Like to see more spec, but it sounds dreamy. Would have got the 5d2 if Canon didn’t blow the AF. Really did want to finally go FF. Oh well. 5d3 I guess.
15.1 MP. Sounds fine but the masses still see MP as the holy grail….Maybe a slight boost to help sales.
So they will cripple the video like the 5d2 and then add manual control to the 5d2 to make the people who shelled out even more $$$ sometime ago happy (finally)…Ugh. Why not just make everyone happy Canon?
What? A non-DSLR is 29.97?
I work in production and I only use 29.97 for broadcast TV, everything else I do is either 24p or 60p (We tend to use the 60P when rendering animations because it looks so much better when down converted to 30i than trying to upconvert 30P to 30i).
M
If this is real, sounds very good.
These are exactly the enhancements that Canon needs to make.
Better ISO performance, 8fps, and better AF will indeed make the xxD line the tweener camera that it’s supposed to be – sitting between the Rebels and the xD series.
The 20-frame buffer on the 8.5 fps 1D Mark II is plenty. 30 is overkill most of the time, and you can extend your buffer if you don’t shoot full-res raw.
Give me all of the above + better iso and image quality and I will be the first buyer. :)
8fps sounds good, but are nearly useless without a much bigger buffer. With the current 40D or 50D you can shoot 5-8 frames in RAW+JPEG. After that the buffer is full and you have a real framerate of 0.5-1.5 fps (depending on the speed of the CF card). It makes no sense to get high framerates only when shooting in the bad JPEG format.
8fps?
If that’s the true, I’d guess the 1D4 will get a boost compared to the current 10fps of the 1D3. 12 or 15fps maybe?
Let’s hope this is not just someone posting his own 60D wishlist. If it comes out like this, I will probably buy one — if Canon keeps the pricing in a sane region. It will be more expensive than 50D, but it should not reach a point where you start considering a 5DII (which is of course an entirely different camera).
A dual CF+SD-Slot would be nice, and maybe some weather sealing.
Why shoot RAW+JPG? RAW already is RAW+JPG, all you have to do is extract the embedded JPG that the camera uses for preview. You can do it very easily if you use DCRAW.
Yeah, I think this one will be my first DSLR =) I`m a beginner and this one sounds perfekt =)
Sounds like a wishlist to me
Anything that talks about a sensor having the same resolution as its predecessor, or wishful talk about the 5D2 getting a firmware update is obviously bullcrap
I mean…think about it…why would a “leak” on the specs of a 50D mention about the 5D2 if it weren’t just wishful thinking
I could see this body being very popular with the birding and wildlife shooters, especially if the 1D IV is full frame.
If Canon makes some improvement to their 15 MP APS-C sensor, the I will be the first in line for the 60D. :D All the other specs look perfect for me.
“15.1 MP. Sounds fine but the masses still see MP as the holy grail….Maybe a slight boost to help sales.”
Actually, buyers have spoken LOUDLY to Canon with their wallets. While sales of the 50D are nowhere as good as what Canon expected, the 6 MP Nikon D40 was a MAJOR success when it was first launched. Canon has now learned the painful lesson that DSLR shooters are not as gullible as they once thought. :D
BigDaddy, do yourself and your clients a favor and stop using the terms “upconvert” and “downconvert” incorrectly. Up and downconvert are terms that apply to resolution, not frame rate. Use the term Cross-Convert for changes in frame rate between video standards.
Here endeth the lesson.
This is what I am thinking. If canon makes the 1DIV a full frame camera then birders and wildlife shooters will have their and forced to guess what? xxD. Absent any other new body introduction 7D, 3D? The crop sensor will be the only option for these folks. Thus, we may actually get the things we’ve been clamoring for for ages it seems. High FPS, weather sealed, 100% viewfinder, and the holy grail on a small body, 45 point autofocus system.
How can a frame buffer ever be too big? There is always an application where a wildlife shooter would want a bigger buffer.
I wonder if it will have improved live view…
If they use the same battery as the 5DII, they will have to change the grip…
Lets hope NOT. We don’t need $100 batteries. I have lots of batteries, AC Adapters, Battery Grip for my XXD Cameras, and they have long lives. Only those using cheap ebay replacements see short battery life on cameras like the 40D. It would cost around $1000 to replace this with the 5D II equivalent.
If it has Digic IV, none of that will be likely to work.
The Buffer on the 5D II is far too small for me. After shooting a few bursts in a row last night at a dance recital, my 5D II buffer was full and I missed some great shots. When action is fast, you just can’t push the button fast enough to catch the right moment.
I would not upgrade from my 40D unless it had something useful like a fold out screen. I like to put the camera down low, and angle viewers just don’t work that well for me, and they are blacked out in liveview mode.
What is meant by Manual Control? I assume this relates to the video functionality, and why is it important? Thanks in advance….
Oh dear. Another overcrowded sensor with diffraction starting at f7.6? The latest Canon’s hold no appeal at all to me and I think they’re going down the wrong route. Soft images at even relatively wide apertures and ever more clever noise reduction algorithms? It’s just not for me.
20d to 30d. Xti to 40d. There is precedet.
The 1d IV may have 1.3 crop selector…I know wishful thinking :)
Have to wait for some real tests of the AF before I even think about it. I’m just so sick of just using centerpoint!
What about the viewfinder, i’m mean, this is really getting annoying, liveview improvments, same for HD, more megapixels (for this one i’m talking about the 50D) etc.. I don’t know but for me, the most important thing is the viewfinder, because you aim from there, don’t we all?? it’s nice to improve stuff, but Canon should make a points list which what is the most important thing to improve, and not what is the mort tard stuff to add for thoses newbies who ruins our great cameras :'(
@Ed It says right in the post that it will be Digic V not IV (5 not 4).
Can you spell Con-des-cen-ding ?
Shoot in Raw and the high resolution won’t have any drawbacks. I never used raw with the 350D, now with the 5D2 I actually never use JPEG.
My cheap ebay batteries have lasted for years. Why pay $$$ just to have “Canon” printed on them?
Hmmm
I wonder how hard it would be for Canon to fit the 1D AF system or something based on it into the 60D?
it is 3 generations old, I think it’s time for some 1 series tech to start showing up in it’s little brothers/sisters.
I know 1D2 won’t show up yet as it would have been as good/better than the 1D3 was when it was having it’s problems.
That’s where they missed the mark with the 5D2
you most certainly do need 80 dollar batteries if you want to do the video. The 5 has the best “consumer” battery I’ve ever seen and it still gets killed by video really quickly…
JC
I don’t think we’ll ever see a 99-100% viewfinder in anything but FF
I agree. 100% VF!
Canon is still just playing catch-up…
you say you don’t care about digic 5 when that is where the dynamic range and higher iso will live…not sure that you understand that is where most of the improvements come from.
how can you say that? you want to say they are slow in updating lenses they barely sell that is fine. but to compare to nikon negatively on this point is silly. Nikon shooters have had nothing new and when they get something new even NPS members can’t get them. The big tele’s with the VRII are not available and cost 1000’s more than canons. Canon has been slowly but surely updating lenses in an order pretty close to the way that they sell I’m guessing…
The 400 5.6 is a redundancy to most people and a new 100-400 would be a much bigger seller.
If anything i’d like to see them take the DO tech they seem to have finally got worked out in the 400/4 and figure a way to make it cheaper or to give us a smaller 600/5.6 DO
agreed…for the most part. For shooters that have clients that need the jpg right away shooting raw+ gives you the ability to dump the images quickly while maintaining the ability to later use the raw for a more refined image.
Jason beat me to it but Canon has done it plenty….I think Canon knows that if they can keep it at 15 and make it cleaner etc and keep the price where it is they can put it to Nikon a bit…When the D400 comes it will be 16 at best and Canon will be on a second gen 15 that hopefully is really out of this world…clean 3200 anyone?
All this diffraction talk is theoretical and does not take into account other factors such as strength of AA filter etc. If you think Canon 15 MP APS-C sensors are not for you, then you better say the same when the Nikon D400 is released in the next few months.
It means being able to set the aperture, ISO, etc. manually in video mode. One reason this is important is it would allow you to select the perfect Dof for a particular shot. Currently this is not possible in the 5DII; its video mode functions essentially the same as “green square” mode, with the camera selecting all parameters for you.
So we’re looking at this fall then? Maybe?
I think both the 40D and 50D were announced in August…
Also, both the Canon D60 and its follow-up, the Canon 10D, are 6 MP. It’s happened MANY times before… :D
This talk of diffraction is purely an urban legend. Diffraction is a property of the lens, not the sensor. A low density sensor does not show diffraction because it can’t see it but it can’t see any fine detail either. A high density sensor, using the same lens, will always resolve more, it’s just that the difference will be less at f/16 compared to f/5.6.
No problem. 100% is on its way to catch up with Nikon D300. Time is nigh. No more bs Canon.
Wow someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
Anyways.. for what reason would Canon ever want to put 24p in the XXD line??
How many people who buy that line of DSLR even know what 24p is other than the ones that read these endless rants about it.
“That’s where they missed the mark with the 5D2”
My thoughts exactly. I don’t think it’s a pipe dream/wishful thinking to think canon will put the old 1D AF into a consumer body. They will have to if they want to catch-up to Nikon. It’s just a matter of when canon will do it…before or after we all switch to the dark side.
swivel lcd are totally overrated…
I think I am upgrading my 40D to a 5D (original mark I)
My current camera works just fine so luckily I wont have to worry about overcrowded sesnsors and DLA’s until it dies.
“Diffraction is a property of the lens, not the sensor”
DLA is a also property of the camera sensor.
I seems that HD Video is the new holy grail ;)
Finally. A new AF. It only took them 5 years…geez.
I did not buy the 50D a year ago for this exact reason. I’m can deal/handle the 5DMII being 9point (although I wish it was better).
But there was no way I was getting an xxD camera with that ancient 9pt autofocus. I do believe the cure all is being a good photographer instead of someone dependent on AF Points. But…those AF points sure help when something happens random and I pull my camera up to shoot. There is no time to focus quickly enough by hand so that’s definitely when a superior AF system comes into play.
Although I never had a 50D I heard the 40D outperformed it in ISO Noise which was a shocker. So I’m hoping this new xxD has better ISO and dynamic range…atleast as good as the 5DMII or a marked improvement over the 50/40D.
Should be fun…can’t wait to see this come out in August or whenever.
Dynamic range improvement and meaningful lower noise at higher iso is a sensor feature, not a Digic X feature. You cannot process the raw images on your computer to improve the dynamic range and noise reduction that is done after the raw image is captured results in some degree of detail loss…
The AF system certainly is in need of a major upgrade, especially given what the competition (Nikon) is offering for their DSLRs in this range.
I am not sure what “upgrade of the current sensor” means. I sure hope that this is not just a fix to the existing 50D sensor to increase read rate to support 1080p video. However, it would be a big challenge for Canon to improve either the dynamic range or high-ISO noise while keeping the pixel count the same, given that they have seemed to pulled off all possible tricks such as the gapless microlens array, etc.
The shadow dynamic range was excellent in 40D. 50D looks good in measurements, but the actual visual results are not as good IMHO. However, one area Canon can certainly improve in 60D is the highlight dynamic range. Even if they can just add half an f-stop of highlight dynamic range, it would make a big difference.
I wonder if it is possible to improve the anti-aliasing filter to achieve sharper images…
8fps pretty much means a new shutter/mirror assembly. Unless the AF system can keep up with this rate, 8fps would not be very useful…
Given that DRAM prices are so cheap these days, Canon should be able to increase the RAW buffer size. Even at 15MB per RAW image, a 512MB buffer should be able to handle more than 30 raw shots…
“So I’m hoping this new xxD has better ISO and dynamic range…atleast as good as the 5DMII or a marked improvement over the 50/40D.”
I’m hoping it has BETTER ISO then the 5d2…low ISO banding anyone?
Some extra reading regarding the place of 29.97.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atsc
http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0903/tech-tips.html
I haven’t encountered the ISO banding issue yet since I’ve had it in December.
Yea better ISO than the 5d2 would be great but I don’t know if Canon would do that on a lower-end model. But if they do that’s great.
Also, these days I do more studio lighting work and HDR landscapes on tripods so ISO hasn’t been a huge issue. I do need another camera to replace my 30D and I think this will be the one.
The current 300/2.8 and 400/2.8 are more than enough for a 15.1mp 1.6x crop sensor. With a 1.4x extender and my 300mm f/2.8L IS on my 50D (between ISO 100-400) I get sharpness pretty much down to the pixel.
Although the 500/5.6 IS might be nice, or maybe just a lighter 600/4.
A x0D class with 8fps?? Makes me salivate at the thought of the new 1D Mark IV…
But DLA is not a stone wall and it’s certainly not to be used to compare two different pixel densities. A 15.1 MP sensor at f/11 will resolve as much detail as a 10.1 MP sensor at f/5.6. See for yourself.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=29641192
If you honestly don’t care about D400/60D etc, then why are you here in the first place?
Give me 5D2-esque noise control and I’ll be a happy camper!
You’re lucky, or I’m unlucky, I bought two for my Digital Rebel, and both died in less than 6 months while the original was still going at full capacity when I sold it 3 years later.
I also had a Sony point & Shoot with aftermarket batteries, both died in a few months, one swelled up so much that it lodged in the camera and had to come out in pieces. I bought a used Canon D30 with 8 year old original batteries still going strong.
Yes, the batteries in my 5D II discharge pretty fast during video. But they still last longer than my memory cards.
They have about 30% more Capacity than the BP-511A for at least twice the price.
For the $1000 to upgrade all my batteries, AC adapter dual charger, and Grip,I could buy a lot of BP-511A batteries, but just three of them would have more capacity than two LP-E6.
The $2,000 Nikon D300 is not a direct competitor for the $1300 50D, it is much more expensive.
The $1000 D90 is the closest competition, and really does not compare that well, but it is aimed at a different market as well.
I have both a 40D and a 5D II, and I like and use them both. There would need to be something more than just video to make me want to upgrade. The 5D II Video is fantastic, but even with high end computers, editing it is a struggle and expensive. You cannot take videos of moving subjects either, I took a few clips at a dance recital Saturday in between stills. It was dim, and my 135mm F2 was wide open with shallow depth of field being only about 2 ft or less. No way could I keep fast moving dancers in focus by focusing manually.
The video is great for carefully arranged and controlled production, but only a few photographers will use it that way.
Yes, that was a typo, I meant Digic V. Each new version of the digic processor seems to have enough changes that hacks to previous versions do not work.
Actually, lots of people improve DR and noise by taking multiple images and combining them using software like combine Z, etc. Doesn’t work for Sports or BIF though.
The ability to do this is now being built into some P&S cameras, and is one of the tricks we will see some day in DSLR’s to improve the DR and Noise. Physics limits the ability to have any really big improvement in the sensors, the number of photons striking a photosite is very low for small photosites.
Only to those who haven’t actually tried it without auto focus or any control of the aperture. In its present state, it is useful only for a few owners.
I was into our local camera store Saturday and talking with the clerk. He said a friend had a chance to try a new 1D body. It had 26 mp.
Doing the math, a 26.5 mp full frame sensor would equate to a 5.7 micrometer photosite. Crop this to a 1.3 equivalent would yield 16.1 MP. So, it is possible to add crop capabilities to a 26.5 mp full frame and get a 16 mp cropped image. This is still a larger photosite than the 50D which is 4.7 micrometers, but smaller than the 6.4 micrometer site for the !DS MK III.
Well the banding issue seems to only happen @100 ISO and pushing 1-2stops. My friend tested his 5d2 and it does exhibit some banding under these circumstances, but no banding doing the same thing at higher ISOs.
Personally I don’t really see it as much of an issue I just like to fan the silly internet crap fires at times. Sorry :)
I use one on my P&S, and its great for some situations, and for video better yet. I like to hold my camera at waist level or even lower. Viewfinder use is not possible in this situation. I have to take many exposures moving the camera each time and hope I hit it. I’m handicapped and can’t get down on my knees to shoot.
The D300 is not a competitor to the 50D / 60D, it is much more expensive. We all want more for the dollar, but you tend to get what you pay for.
Amen ! Enough of that megapixel nonsense !
Too many crybabies asking for for more pixels without really needing it . Spoiling it for people who care more about quality than quantity .
Sure it would be great to have all the resolution in the world , but it’s not that simple. All those extra crammed pixels come at a hefty price (higher noise, lower dinamic range, bigger files filling the buffer and wasting memory card space, also slowing down processing by the camera cpu, etc.)
Canon would do a lot of people a big favor of they offer 2 versions , 15 MP and lets say 10 MP. Certanly Nikon showed that it’s doable , even in a cheaper class with d40 and d40x !
98%
@ 100% the ocst to make it jumps because you have to have perfect alignmnet. the difference b/w 98 and 100 is only relevant if you’re being critical about something at the edge of the frame with an ultrawide (below 20mm equiv)
Also that way its not rocking the 5D II boat
Maybe a bit but he’s right.
How many batteries do you really need?
Curious — I perceive Canon as doing exactly the opposite. The pixel count on the 50D is a bit excessive and they can’t really decrease on a followup. The 5DmkII would be way more impressive with a more modest 15-16MP along with another fps or two and better AF, in other words, a Canon 700D.
In the absence of such, someone wanting to shoot indoors must choose between Canon’s lackluster bodies or Nikon’s cluelessly sparse and antiquated lens lineup.
Hmm, Combine Z only runs on MS-DOS. Got anything for OS-X?
Who would need JPG immediately but raw later???
A new AF module is a requirement if Canon wants to deliver 8 fps in AI Servo mode. D40 was lagging in continuous shoot. And it was catastrophic in low light at f/1.4.
New AF, 8fps and video. I dont care about the 60D but if Canon makes it good like that, I can’t wait to see the specs of the next 1 serie :D
C
Sounds like real – good job! It think such informative rumors can only be launched by Canon themselves who must be tempted by rumors about the upcoming D400.
Cheers,
Martin
ps : I meant 40D, not D40.
Ready to upgrade my 30D to better ISO and video but the 5DMII is obscenely expensive and don’t need or want more pixels to push through.
Should have gone the Nikon route who gets it. This 60D is my last chance to remain Canon. Don’t care about digic chip version, more pixels nor another fps. I want better challenging light images (ISO), faster focus and video.PERIOD.
Last chance for the 60D
* < $1,200 body
* Clean images at 1600 ISO (MINIMUM)
* 720P HD video (likely)
* Swivel, high res display (hopefully)
* High res VF
* weather proof
If they add even one more freak’n pixel, I will go postal!!
No stupid swivel.
even the aperture?
I agree, what do you need a swivel for???
snickers…
There will never be full manual control on the 5D2. Breathe, accept. Breathe, accept. If that was important to you, you should not have bought it.
ever try emailing a RAW image for approval?
Some “weather sealing” is not the same as a weather sealed camera. Only the 1D & 1Ds are weather sealed.
Somebody forgot their meds today…
makes it easier to get out of your car
If you’re emailing for approval, that doesn’t sound like “immediately” to me, but rather like you have time to import the files to a computer, compose a message, and wait for it to make it to the other end. Time enough for a quick defaults-based RAW->JPEG render.
Doesn’t the 50D already deliver clean images at 1600? Examples I’ve seen seem to show noise starting at 3200.
As for Nikon “getting it”, the D700 demonstrates this clearly for bodies, but their FX lens lineup is distressingly sparse and many of the lenses they do sell are stuck with anachronistic screw-drive focusing. Nothing like the 24-105 or 70-200 f/4 workhorses that Canon provides with USM and optional IS. Nikon has snapshot junk at the low end, and a couple of quality f2.8 cannons at the expensive upper end. I wish that Canon lenses could be used on the D700 — that would rock.
The 5DII does not compete with the xxD line. These are very different cameras. It’s not like someone will go out and say I need 100% viewfinder, oh darn I can only get it in a $2700 camera I better double what I planned to spend to get it. Canon doesn’t have a clean line of progression or product differentiation through their camera series, less clean than Nikon for sure. Canon can give us a 100% viewfinder if they choose to. Will we pay for it, yes. I expect this camera to cost more, say $1400 or $1500 initially, but who knows, maybe it won’t. Point is that the product differentiation is so vast between what the xxD and the 5D series offer that they are almost incomparable.
… and disposing of the mirror entirely. It’s an anachronism. Cameras would be more useful, lighter, less expensive, and more reliable without the antique mechanisms.
You’re assuming one photo, and generally proofs can be many photos, and why go through the extra steps to render if you dont need to? Time is money.
OK, so on my most recent shoot I had two wacky clients who were, guess what, out of town, and hyper-compulsive overcontrolling. (angry face)
So, in order to get them exactly what they wanted I had my camera write RAW+ Small highly compressed JPEG. I would shoot several images then pull the card and send the JPEGs to the clients, what’s great is they couldn’t even agree with each other, using Skype, then I could get feedback, put the card back in the camera and shoot with the given feedback, we did this like 10 times, then the client wound up picking a shot form like the 6th round of shooting. (angry face again)
Then of course I processed the RAW image at full resolution with necessary tuning.
suffice it to saw that RAW+JPEG has its purposes, though it is rare. I agree that under most circumstances its just wasting memory.
Right, but the point is that people who pay significantly more for a higher end camera body (5D), expect not to be outdone by a less expensive camera in the line-up. the 5D mkII is 98%, which is really great, I have no problem with 100% being reserved for the 1D series.
I totally agree — a flip-and-fold viewfinder for Live View would open a whole new world of creativity that right now is limited to stomach slitherers or lucky blind-attempters.
I would upgrade for that alone. I got some brilliant candids of my sons from low perspectives using my trusty old G3 that way.
Exactly
haha. and drain battery at an absolutely alarming rate, with no means of fast AF. and ‘lighter’ by what 200 grams, can you even feel that?
wrong #, lighter by like 100 grams, if even….
i don’t need 8fps, i need more buffer
Yes, more buffer
I need to upgrade my 40D. 5D MKII is to high price wise for what you get. I don’t need 21mp’s or a slightly upgraded AF system. I need 12-15mp’s, a pro/upgrade AF system, 8Fps or more, 1.k to 1.3 crop factor (don’t need expensive super tele’s) and high ISO/low noise performance with better dynamic range. So a 60D with a 2/3 to a full stop improvement from 50D. Very improved AF system with about 20+ AF points. 8 Fps continues to 40 Jpeg instead of 8 Fps than at 9, 10 and so on Fps being at 1.5 Fps. 15 megapixels max. Don’t care about video. articulating screen ok for the over the crowd shots, but not that important. 3.5 inch screen with high res, for better detail in direct sunlight. And so much more but can’t think of now.
I agree with all that, I don’t need 21mp but would like to see an upgraded sensor 8f/s, definitely an improved auto focus, bigger buffer and high res screen. I would have bought the 5D if it were not for the auto focus.
5DMII that is
Open you eye and read carefully about the selling price and content of the camera! $2000 D300 is with 18-200 kit, the D300 body cost $1225.
D90 body only is $699 is in the same class as 500D body only $699.
See amazon.com yourself.
why don’t you bundle a 70-200 with D300 and make it same price range with 5D II so that you are happy in your own fantasy of D300=5D II?
Nikonrumors have ZERO rumors about the upcoming D400 specs. No one knows anything at the moment.
um, no.
The 20D to 30D was akin to the 1D2 to 1D2n. It was a glorified LCD and firmware update
That was a very unusual case
The XTi and 40D are different lines
The D60 and 10D are different lines
Enough to last for a photo shoot. If you are out all day, at least two. If you use live view or take a lot of video, three might be better (you will also need a lot of storage if you make videos).
If you are going out where there is no power for a few days, you either need more batteries or a solar recharger. If you only take a few shots in your home, one might do, but where you are earning money with your camera you will definitely want more than one. I have 2 for my 5D MK II and three for my 40D.
The upgrade cost for 2 additional 5D MK II batteries, AC Adapter, and Grip is as follows.
Vertical Battery Grip – ~$380.00
AC Adapter Kit- $180
2 Extra Batteries – $200
So it would cost in the neighborhood of $760 to save spending $40 for a extra BP-511A Battery pack. Of course, I could sell my old stuff for $150-175, but I really don’t see the need to come out with new battery, new grip, new AC Adapter.
This thread is about the 60D. Who said the D300 was equal to the 5D MK II? I compared the 50D prices with the D300.
I know how to check prices very well.
Amazon discounts the D300 body to $1716.93. You are quoteing used prices. The Discounted D90 body new is 907.77. Again your D90 price is for a used Body.
Learn how to check prices and stop giving incorrect information.
weather proof? – NEVER
Only the 1D/s will be weather proof.
yeah it really sucks. Just another thing easy to brake.
Wonder how much a 60D will cost…you guys think it’ll start out at $1300 range? Like I said last time, the 60D really is just what the 50D SHOULD have been to begin with.
Hopefully it’s coming out in August and be affordable by mid 2009.
– CPS
btw noise is also a product of sensor data transmission and processing, though that’s gotten so good in current cameras that it is basically a non issue
Well I don’t know, but I bet it’ll be 15 MP, How about we bet on it? I’ll buy you a coke if its more than 15MP, you buy me a coke if its 15MP deal?
define ‘high-res VF’
Mid 2010 I think you mean.
I’m not entirely sure how VF resolutions are measured but I thought I read the Sony A900 had a “megapixel VF” which was suppose to be quite impressive.
As far as weather proof for only the 1D/s, I’m not entirely sure that is something Canon can hang on to in order to command a premium for the obscenely high end of the product line. I think Nikon is bring that level of capability to the prosumer price range.
As far as noise goes, I’m not sure how clever these algorithm guys can get. It starting to look like a Gaussian blur algorithm to take the noise out. I’m not impressed. Nikon has canon beat, IMHO. Canon is simply riding the megapixel thing too far much like Intel rode the MegaHertz race too far.
I expect better from Canon and hope their marketing department yields to the engineering department who I believe will give us better ISO and lower Megapixel because it makes for a better image.
Assuming the D300 replacement continues to cost $500 more than the 50d replacement, you should get more for a ~40% premium. Nikon has been losing money for the last 3 months and is raising prices, so it may cost more yet.
Canon 50D MSRP $1299, Street $1199.95
Nikon D300 MSRP $1799,Street $1700
Nikon D90 MSRP $999, Street $900
The 500 5.6 IS sounds like a nice dream, but it will likely cost about the same as a 300 2.8.
It would work on a crop and full frame. The full frame needs it more though.
For Macs, Helicon focus http://www.heliconsoft.com/heliconfocus.html and or for HDR Photomatix http://www.hdrsoft.com/
I like Macs, but there is too much software that I use which can’t even be emulated on a mac, and the price for a Mac is yet another factor. This is specialized business software so there is only 1 choice.
Its common for PJ’s to upload jpegs directly from their wireless grip to a server where they can be reviewed and plans made for the eventual RAW File that will be processed and published later.
The jpeg contained in a raw file is just a thumbnail.
I did both for a while, and then suut off the jpeg. you don’t have to use it, but for those that want both, it doesn’t bother me.
The D30, D60, 10D, 20D, 30D, 40D, 50d are the same line. Starting with the 20D, the cameras could use EF-S lenses.
I’ve owned all but the D60.
Competition is great. without it, we would not be seeing new features and improved performance to the extent we do now.
I expect the Nikon D400 will be better than the Canon 60D. If not, Nikon will have big trouble selling it for $500 more like they do with the D300, and we want that competition and better cameras to keep coming.
No chance of the 60D being weather sealed. That does not fit the Canon tier pricing strategy that has been ongoing for years. Even the $2700 5D MK II is not weather sealed.
Every serious user review I’ve seen says the 50D autofocus is better than the 40D. This is likely due to a faster processor and better software algorithms. Of course, I like it to improve to the 1D level, but it is pretty good right now, and any improvements will likely be more processor and software related than a bunch of additional cross type sensors.
The 5D MK II is also faster than 5D, probably the same reason, faster processor and software.
It wont be 15 MP. It will not be a minor upgrade like the 20D to 30D.
Yeah, that’s what I meant by only the 1D & 1Ds line are weather sealed ;)
Dude you read two different camera rumor sites??? Someone plan an intervention here our friend needs help!
Yep, I’ve looked at the Helicon stuff. Near as I can tell, stacking to average out noise is a function of Helicon Filter, which is MS-OS-only. I’d only thought of Photomatrix in HDR terms, but I do see how that it mentions blending. Thanks!
As for emulation, VMware Fusion is pretty slick, and the price thing is to a large extent an urban legend.
Pass the buffer please.
if they improve the processing and sensor of the 50D, and give it all the functionality of the 5D2 now, AND it will get a semi-pro AF…i won’t see the point of keeping my 5D2. the DOF difference between 1.6 and FF isn’t big at all, which is basically why i ponied up for FF in the first place (only to be slightly disappointed).
Strange, Here in france 50D body is down to 999€ this week in the popular FNAC store… while 500D kit intro price is 999€ few days ago…. usualy you push down the price with a higher price model…. nothing in the 1500€ price tag here. surprise surprise ? 450D body at 500€, and 5D is close to 2000€
40D body has droped out, but can be foud at 700€ online (not a good deal) … 400D droped out recently as well.
price point :o)
15Mp, I foresee a 60D full frame in august so ! 1500€ body
8fps thank you !!!I might go back to Canons now; cause I never could afford an 1 D since the 5 DMk II is 3,5 fps ,dohhhh;I bought myself a D 300 that can take real sports picture for cheap but this 60 D is goin to be great!!!!!!
woo if it is announced in fall then it’s 2 years to get an upgrade. not that bad IF 50d was a good one (in terms of IQ)
I would love 24p in a sub $2000 camera. Then budget, student, beginner cinematographers have an great option for wonderful entry level gear. I wish i could get a 5D Mk II or an XL but a cheaper option with awesome lenses could be a great compromise.
crap