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Apparently the Canon Spring Photography contest lists an XSTi as the first prize. You can see this on page 95 of Outdoor Photographer Magazine.
Probable typo? I hope so, that would be quite a mouthful to say.
thanks Mark
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Sounds like a typo. But I’m just trying not to get my hopes up since the last few Rebel rumors were wrong. I’m going to photography school (in Canada btw!) in Sept and need a new camera and I very much don’t want to buy last years Rebel when a new one is due out anytime now :P
First post btw, love the site!
nearly lost patience
From a purely mechanical point of view I’d be surprised if this was a typo. Neither S nor I are particularly near T on the keyboard, so hitting T by accident seems pretty unlikely.
Google a search of Canon XSTi, there seems to be a number of people who make this error. Its more of a mental typo than a physical one.
There is no typo. look in the magazine on page 95 and the prize is only a xsi No xsti at all
Do yourself a favour and get a 40D when they go on liquidation instead. The price of a 40D is already close to the Xsi; the new Rebel will be at least as much, but if your serious about photography, the 40D is by far a better cam than the XSi or the upcoming Rebel (almost certainly an XSI with the 50D`s 15MP sensor and video). I sell these things part-time and started Professional Photography school in Montreal last fall and the xxD series are much more capable
I am fine with new L glass, as long as any new white lenses don’t include an update to the 70-200 f/2.8L IS…
…because I just bought one.
Sorry, wrong topic ;)
Well what means “capable” exactly?
For me it means that what camera will give me the best end result. And a 40D has nothing which means better end result than a 50D or a 500D. A plastic body will have no effect on the picture quality. The autofocus is also not that much worse on the xxxD series. But if you are using a 15mp sensor with the same or slightly worse noise characteristic, you will still be end up with a better end result than with the 40D’s 10mp sensor.
Btw, I was teaching such people about photography like you, and be patient, with such a short experience of yours you will not be able to judge such things so well as you think.
I hope there’ll be a 500D soon too! I need a new camera as well. Although, I think it’s (unfortunately) only going to come out in quarter 3 of 2009, judging by looking at the product cycles on wikipedia…
Maybe it’ll still come out at PMA *crosses fingers*. :D
ditto Greg
a camera body is just a film
everything(almost) else is left to the photographer to explore
Actually, the way they number the pages, the ad is on the page opposite page 94 (Page 95 is the next page).
I quote:
“FIRST PLACE GRAND PRIZE:
$2000 cash award from Photographer’s Forum PLUS Canon EOS Rebel XSTi camera and lens system”
2nd place is an XSi, and the column on the left lists cash plus two XSi’s as total prizes available. This contradicts the First Place prize, and would make better sense against what is available now.
Just to note it, the Rebel sequence is XT, XTi, XSi. Could be a typo in someone typing XSi with XTi on the brain. But if the next sequence is XSTi, I would not be hugely surprised.
That’s not true at all. The better handling of the xxD series means that you have better creative control over your photos. I would definitely get a 30D over the rebel series; image quality at base ISO doesn’t very *that* much; you will get better photos with better ergonomics. Naturally, the extent of the effect does depend on your subject.
How you can handle a camera only depends on you. Yes there are cameras where you can not do everything or it is too hard to do, but at this level I think these differences are far too small to be a reason.
The biggest differences are the photographers, not the cameras.
Also, if a camera offers full manual control, it is only the speed what differentiates it from other cameras. The speed how fast you can control the parameters you would like.
If we talk about professional photography.
Talking about amateurs, they might need the few differences in handling, but there we are far from the point of what kind of camera is the best. Also for an amateur a dslr is not the best choice as many examples showed.
Hoping you aren’t implying that there is a mental link between Canon cameras and venereal disease :-P
I’m afraid I don’t agree all the way Greg. You said it yourself: “The biggest differences are the photographers, not the cameras.”.
I would have to say people should go for the xxD cameras instead. The handling is better (I’ve used both extensively), and the camera feels more comfortable in your hand. The XS/XSi’s are too small for most mens hands too.
Furthermore the 40D offers spot metering, which the lesser models don’t. In general the light metering seems a little more accurate on the 40D, compared to the XSi I’ve used (using evaluative mode).
Last, 15 megapixels let you save an occessional bad shot because you can crop it a little more than let’s say a 10mp shot, but that’s about it. Other than that, all it does is fill up your flash card and your hard drive faster (unless you’re shooting for very large prints). Besides, more megapixels puts a greater demand on the quality of your glass. I’m not saying that the limit has been reached yet, but without decent lenses you might not get more detail out of your higher megapixel shots.
If prices were equal I’d go for the a used xxD instead of a new XSTi or whatever it’s called – unless of course you just can’t live without movie mode :-)
Just my two cents!
Well, I have quiet large hands but I could do the same with little compact cameras (canon G2) as with a xxD dslr. Nobody, but a pixel peeper could tell if one of my pictures is made with a G2 or 20D. Handling wise of course the G2 was terrible compared to the 20D, but it just takes experience and time to set it up like I think it is best for that picture.
Handling is nothing.. just an excuse to sell the same sensor and AF system for some thousands of $ more.
If I would be a sports photographer, of course I would buy a Canon 1D because there is speed everything. But if you have experience and knowledge, you just need the good sensor, lens, and that the AF works properly.
My first camera was an Olympus OM-20(film camera). That has only one type of light metering, nothing spot or such, no AF and nothing else, but about 90% of my shots was sharp and had correct exposure. So why the bells and whistles..
I think there’s a typo indeed: this mythical camera should be the XTSi.
Brings euphoria to rumour-mongers, offers hope for increased photographer confidence and added proficiency in image-making.
But the next morning, one awakes to a light headache, and the same workflow nightmare on one’s computer.
Exactly. It comes down to the photographer, and not the camera. I’ve got my parents old 1977 Minolta XD-7 (film camera – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minolta_XD-11) and pictures with it turn out as good any DSLR.
The camera is a lot heavier, and a lot less sophisticated than ‘current’ DSLRs; still it works great. It’s up to the photographer to take a good picture.
Well, then I don’t get it. If we both can agree that the camera is less important, why not support the idea, that you should go for something that “feels” more right, than just for the latest and greatest in pixel size and noise reduction?
As I mentioned, the entry level dSLR Canon cameras feels too small for a grown man’s hands. If you’re going to shoot a lot with a camera, ergonomics should at least be of some concern. On the other hand you would of course sacrifice portability with a larger camera.
I guess the best advice there is (which I hope we both can agree on :-) ) is that if you’re looking for a camera and there are several to choose from, you should try out each one as much as possible before buying to see what works best for you. We all favor different features.
Exactly. Get the camera that meets your needs and works the best for you, and I’ll do the same. :D
That’s totally wrong, I know professionnal who still working with a 400D and they are happy with it for everything, landscpaes, portrait, macro, fashion show etc… I know noobs who uses 1Ds Mark X for family pictures. So stop with those stupid legends. If you want to do your professionnal, then buy a 5D mark II. How ridiculus.. Buy better lenses instead always get the latest body, don’t fall in the marketing thing.
I owned a 40D, but during my long trekking week end with my heavy lenses, I thought it was too big and pretty stupid to charge my backpack like that. So i bought a 450D and I relly feel better. I don’t say that because I have it, actually if it was shit, I would say it here but it’s not, except the lens in the kit, the IS function works really bad, or maybe not. I have a better holding with a little body and a big lens than a bigger body who actually does the same job.
Plus as the 40D is older than the 450D, and by the way I really don’t noticed big difference between the 2 bodies except for the weight and the size. So please stop saying that the 450D sux and the 40D is better because I would say that the 5D pwns you, i don’t those wannabe, yeah I own a better cam that ya and it’s da best..
Even if you have money, buy “L” only, you’ll be same happy with a 400D or a 40D. Look on flickr, some pictures with the old 350D stuck me on the floor! and when i see some pictures taken with a 40D or the new 50D, i’m really disapointed..
It is not uncommon to see “STi” tacked onto the end of a car’s model name (“sports turbo injection”, maybe?). Probably just a little slip on the part of the author.
I’m not against a better camera :)
I just feel that somebody who starts to learn photography should be aware that it is not the automatics and the feel of holding the camera who takes the pictures, but the photographer. But if you can, buy the better camera, just never forget this. Nowadays too many people forget about this.
Btw, my dream camera is like a 5DII but with a size like a little compact, and full direct manual control to “everything”. I hate such big cameras and to carry all those lenses. They are in the way of creativity.
So handling matters, but there is a reason why I’ll buy the 5DII and not a compact :) The sensor, the manual controls…
Everyone should get a Pentax K-1000 and put it on “Automatic” for best results.
I have used the 400D extensively, and the 40D. For me, there is no comparison between the xxxD range and the xxD. I’d rather own a 30D than a xxxD range camera. Jess, if you can pick up an old stock 40D, you wont regret it. The body is solid and the controls are more accessible. With that you can go off to photography school, learn your camera and become the pro photographer that these kids talk about. Also, spend money on good glass! Thats my 2c
lol, nice tirade Martin; taking things a bit personal? The image quality between xxxD and xxD cams only depends on how recently they came out, but the difference is seriously small either way. My 350D/RebelXT had image quality that’s more or less equal to my 40D, but there’s still a night and day difference in terms of usage. I feel that the xxxDs are too small, have tiny batteries that always need changing, small dark viewfinders, slow frame rate, long shutter lag and viewfinder blackout, no top LCD, no rear control dial, worse AF, small buffers, no PC cord for studio lights and the plastic bodies just don’t feel “right”. That’s just me, but I would never go back to an xxxD model for all of those reasons. If you’re budget is limited or you absolutely can’t carry a camera that weighs 300grams more, then the 450D/500D will be fine, but at the current prices, the 40D is by far the best value in Canons crop cams and the 50D is the best of Canons crops.
Well Greg, for the price difference of $200 would you buy a camera that has a bigger, brighter viewfinder, twice the framerate, twice the battery life, much more ergonomic (control wheel, top LCD, etc.) has a buffer that’s 3 times larger (17 frames vs. 6), PC socket for studio lights (which the OP will be using in school; I know I am)and faster shutter lag and VF blackout? Not to mention AF. I’m pretty sure it’s worth it, especially to someone who wants to get serious about photography.
When I first got a DSLR 3 years ago, I listened to the people who said beginners don’t need a better camera than a Rebel and I got stuck having to buy a new camera within a year and a half. Sure I loved my RebelXT/350D, but it just doesn’t cut it for a lot of the shooting I do. If I had bought a 30D in the first place, I would have saved some money.
That happened to me in September: I bought a 24L and then Canon brought out the 24LII just two weeks later. I was pretty pissed, but I really like my 24 and the new one is $500 more expensive, so I’m ok with it now, lol
Well if the price difference is only $200 and the original poster has money, you’re right. Where I live the price difference is 2 to 1. The 50D is 950€ the 450D is 450€.
I think that is a lot more than 200$.
And I started out thinking, most students are poor. :) :(
Greg, I mentioned the 40D, not the 50D. The 40D is an incredible value now that the 50D is out, and since there aren`t that many improvements made to the 50, the 40D is worth it. Personally I may be tempted by the nicer screen and AF micro-adjustment, but the extra resolution of the 50D appears to be mostly wasted (it does outresolve the 40D, but by a smaller margin than expected: it seems that it`s sensor is about at the limit of what most lenses can resolve). If the OP has money for the 50D then by all means get it, but the 40D is great for a serious amateur or aspiring pro on a budget.
Greg, it`s funny, wherever you live the 450D is cheaper than here in Montreal, but the 50D is pricier. It`s strange how pricing is done in different countries.
Thiis is my first DSLR. Initially I was thinking to return this since I was not sure I can afford now. But each time when I do the shots, I fell in love with it. If you are a beginer to manual photography and interested in trying out/learning the fantasy of photography, yes this is the camera. I don’t regret at all now that I have paid 600 bucks to get this camera, in fact I am proud of it. I also bought 55-255 ef-s lens as well. I am all set to get to the next gear of photography. You can get exceptional photos as well using this camera. Again, excellent pics over time is a great memory and this one is right on the money!