PowerShot News
Received some information today about new PowerShot cameras.
G12
Backlit CMOS sensor
10mp again
HD Video
Minor ergonomic changes
S95
Same as the G12, with some ergonomic changes.
SX30
New backlit CMOS sensor.
24x Zoom
Lithium Ion Battery
1080p HD
Weight reduction
D20 & D30
Two new Waterproof models.
One will have HD video.
Unknown sensor and zoom.
Do not expect any of these cameras before September I’m told.
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When aprox.?
I need a compact cam and don’t know if i should wait for the G12 or should buy the G11 now…
Not until the September timeframe.
G12 and CMOS great news. Definitely a big upgrade from my G7. And please no big ergo changes.
it’s already July..
where’s the new DSLR..?
i’m gonna preorder a NEX 5 if there’s no update soon..! ;-(
I don’t care as long as there are enough direct print buttons on every camera.
This can be a great new for G12. But i hope the size and speed of the sensor will be ok…
…at least same size as now (1/1,7″), or the picture quality won’t be significantly better
about speed, i hope BSI CMOS will bring functions like auto HDR, etc (as Sony do)
Re: the G12, what benefit does backlighting the sensor provide?
G12 with CMOS backlit sensor means we are going to get IXUS 300HS image quality… So far, I feel the backlit sensor hype is over rated. Numerous companies have used the backlit CMOS sensor, including Apple for iPhone 4GS, so far the response has been that the backlit CMOS sensor has not shown any significant advantage over the CCD ones.
G12 with backlit CMOS, in my opinion is a step back. My hope is for Canon to use a bigger sensor like the 1″ or the m4/3. This would result in a bigger lens but hopefully not much. Here are my ideas on G12, which I hope Canon will pick up.
http://lightsabre-photography.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-i-were-to-design-g12-how-would-it.html
“on the paper”, backlit CMOS give better sensitivity (less noise at high ISO) and better speed (continuous shooting, HD video- this is related to speed- and other special feature) than CCD
But the benefit will exist only if Canon preserve the sensor size.
If you get a BSI CMOS, but smaller than the current CCD sensor of the G11, you won’t get any benefit… on the contrary.
The BSI CMOS bring better quality at equal size and equal apertune… so we need the overwall caracteristics/datasheet to know if we can really expect some improvements
About speed, the benefits come from the sensor, but also from the digital treatment. If Canon take a faster sensor but don’t improve the treatment, you won’t get any benefits either.
I’d like to see Canon make something like the Ricoh GR III, a fixed lens (28-35 equivalent) compact with a high speed lens (f1.4-f1.8) using the G11 sensor.
I’d buy one at a GR III price — about $625.00.
Did we ever get a definitive answer on where the IXUS 300HS sensor comes from? It was initially reported as being from Canon, but it seemed clear it must be a Sony since it matched the specs of the Sony back-lit.
If this is the sensor, prepare to be underwhelmed. Link to high ISO image samples
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/digitalcameras/0,39005881,45248883p,00.htm#mainreview
But maybe even if this a Sony backlit sensor it is a bit larger than that used on the 300HS??? I guess we still have room to hope for a pleasant surprise.
Bigger sensor is what is really needed: Agreed.
Link: I don’t necessarily agree with all the points on your mockup, but it is pretty cool! :)
With the release of the sd1400, guessing that the G12 will have a backlit sensor is not exactly a leap. Neither is HD video.
I think for it’s size, the G12 should definitely have a bigger sensor, though who knows what Canon will do.
However, the one thing I would be shocked by is if they *don’t* put an F2.0 lens on a G12. The fact that the s90 gets a stop better in low light performance than the G11, despite being a significantly smaller camera, has always been a bizarre deficit. And because of this the latest Samsung (something 4000 I think?) looks better than the G11.
More light hits the relevant bits of the sensor, increasing signal/noise ratio, which improves high ISO performance.
the ixus 300HS / SD4000 is a 1/2.5 sensor. The G10 and G11 are both 1/1.7. I don’t see how Canon could use a 1/2.5 sensor in a G-series (though I wouldn’t put anything past the marketing department), so if this is still a Sony I’m guessing it is a larger 1/1.7 version. So it might not be too very bad.
Are there any backlit CMOS out there? I’ve only heard about backlit CCDs.
No revival of the A series? That’s a shame, because there is currently NOTHING from Canon in the middle class of compacts, you have to get overpriced S90/G11 for decent image quality
there was a rumor that canon will release a “touch Screen” camera. You could use the whole screen as a direct print button!!
The Question is: by how much?
I hope that backlit sensors really work and make it’s way to DSLRs.
Point and Shoots ? Where is my canon EVIL ?????
Sony claims that the benefits of backlit sensors do not really scale to DSLR sized sensors:
http://www.eoshd.com/entry.php?35-Revealing-interview-with-Sony-backlit-sensor-holds-no-advantage-for-DSLR-video
Backlit CMOS sensors don’t seem to offer any advantage. At least those in the market now are rather disappointing…
Doesn’t CMOS use much less power?
Check out Sony’s rationale for their use of backlit CMOS.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200806/08-069E/index.html
Here is what would move me to pick up a G12:
– Improved IQ (specifically Dynamic Range which was a BIG problem on the earlier models)
– GPS (this will be a road camera, so GPS would be sweet)
– 1080p video
– Fast lens (say f2 or f2.8) with 6x zoom
– Keep the swivel screen and ability to add a tube to hold a circular polarizer
– Keep RAW and manual controls
Sign me up…. ;-)
Yes, I’ve seen that. But as I look at images from cameras with backlit CMOS sensors, they are really not great.
Ok… perhaps ‘not offering any advantage’ is an exaggeration, these new sensors may offer perhaps 0.5 stop advantage, but it’s nothing to get excited about. I mean images from a small size sensor will still look infinitely poorer than, say, an APS-C sensor at high ISO.
I’ve been thinking about pocketing an S90 but wondering if an S95 would be close… seems so! Can’t wait!
Which means that when DSLRs hit 60MP+ (or maybe as low as 30?) then this technology will start to become relevant.
Will DSLRs go that high? Quite possibly.
Currently the S90 is 23MP/cm2 and the 550D is 4.5MP/cm2. Scale the S90 sensor up and you have ~75MP.
By that time I’m sure someone will have worked out an algorithm to mitigate the diffraction issue.
To give you an idea of the time lag here, it was 7 years ago (or more!) that compact cameras were doing 2.3MP, so expect to wait another 7 to 8 years before backlit CMOS sensors on DSLRs hit the market at 70MP+.
Where are the lenses that suit a 60 MP full frame sensor or … an APS-C sensor?
I see a limit at 30 (15 for APS-C) MPixel …
If there is a Powershot G with 16+mp(by 3:2 standard) sensor, 7D weather sealing, fixed LCD screen, G10 similar or better build, glass lense which is better than G11’s, 1D4 grade 14 bit ADC, I might buy another Powershot G
YES! – That’s missing in the canon lineup. A compact, lightweight and not too costly EVIL for my 10-22 would reduce lens changes to a minimum and avoid lugging two EOS 40D around!
Will Canon add flash commander to Powershot G? I am so impressed by G10, only wish that it will have better build quality and better lense and weather-sealing.
This cam would get massively 0wned by the upcoming LX4 based on reported specs or even the current Samsung TL500/EX1.
There is already a rumor about the next Panasonic camera with a 3x zoom lens, a m4/3 sensor and at a size not much bigger than the LX3. If Canon sticks to 1/1.7″ sensor, I think the new Panny will eat it alive.
If Canon can keep most of the features of the G11, including the 5x zoom range and slap on a bigger sensor (m4/3?) and improve the performance of the camera, I think the G12 will be a really really popular camera.
Canon’s latest APS-C are all 18MP and yet everyone loves the pictures that it takes.
We’re still learning what the real limits are.
buy it now buddy. more time to get use to all the features. more awesome photos too.
I’m getting the NEX 5 :D
no need to wait!
I hope that never happens. – erggh!
won’t touch those sony touchscreen only cameras at all!
Yuck mate. i hope not!
me too! yer on a winner here!
Yeah bring back the A series!
screw that!
By the time the G12 comes out the offerings of the competition will be much more formidable than years past.
However, I am confident that consumers who do not know any better will continue to buy G12’s in droves despite its limitations.
As a loyal Canon pro shooter, i wish they would come out with something to rival 4/3… I wish.
Sounds good to me, I have a G7 too its a great camera and very well built and fun to use. I would quite like to see the next G get a faster lens at the expense of less zoom range.
Ideal for me would be a G series camera with a fast fixed 35mm equivalent focal length. A Canon version of a Leica X1.
The real limits are storage space, working with all the data and what 70+ Megabyte images are practically useful for.
I have commissioned a lot of architectural photography for work, most of which was shot on large format and then drum scanned at high resolution (150-600+ MB) for archiving and use.
These high res originals would only be used at that resolution for printing BIG, for practical use in everyday applications – online, books, magazines and reporting etc lower resolution versions avoid killing time waiting on computers to deal with all the data.
Lots of the photographers I work with are shooting with 5D mk II’s the 17mm and 24mm tilt-shift lenses which are great for stitching and the resolution of the files are just about perfect for working with, relying on hard disk storage.
Around 50 megapixels will probably be standard for practical use in the next few years, it will help when SSD drives get a bit more affordable £/$/€ per Gigabyte.
M-Mount capable, FF G style/rangefinder body £1600 – £2000 at launch would sell very well maybe? M9’s are just too expensive.
Hej, they also killed the SX1x0 I think… Can’t understand why there are no middle class anymore, nor why they would put those backlit cmos which give better pics at 400+ ISO and worse pics at 100 ISO.
We need better high ISO BUT clean and sharp 100 ISO pics are way more important.
if there’s gonna be a new APS-C DSLR from Canon, with 1080p video, might as well wait for that so I can use my existing lenses.. rather than investing in a whole new system..
although.. that NEX-5 does look SWEET..!
I’m with you there, my G10 won’t be replaced until I see something like along the lines of the 4/3 Pen/Pano. If Canon do give it to me then I’ll try which ever one the other makers make that gets the best reviews.
I long for a 16MP version of the lovely old Contax G2, that was a really sweet camera to use.
Bullseye, thats what I want too, a digi version of the Contax G2
I’m just hoping for “real” manual focus.
I haven’t seen a single model with backlit CMOS sensor that can match a CCD-sensor with the same size on image quality. You get higher res video mode though and a higher fram rate for continous shooting.
My guess is that those “150-600MB” images come from the school of thought that states that image quality should be measured in MB of uncompressed TIFF file and that lossless compression reduces the file size and, therefore, it reduces the image quality. There was even some “genius” who advocated printing digital images to film and then rescanning them to ensure the proper number of MB of TIFF file for better IQ when archiving!
Medium format Is already pushing past 60MP, with Phase One’s P65, so professionals are already dealing with images of that size.
Later this year we will see 3TB hard drives for PCs and 16GB is now the price of 256MB of storage for your camera when compared with 7 years ago.
So in 7 years, when 60MP+ DSLRs are hitting the market with backlit CMOS sensors, we’ll be buying 128GB cards to put in them and more than likely be backing it up onto hard drives pushing 10TB each.
“i wish they would come out with something to rival 4/3”
I’m waiting for the same thing. It should be an APS-C (or full frame?) cam with EF and EF-S compatibility and WITHOUT MIRROR. And introducing a pancake EF-S lens … perhaps a highly corrected EF-S 2.8 / 25mm.
I’m shure that Canon will build that type of camera and Canon can be shure that I will buy one (or two) of them!
Do you think that the SX30 will have faster shooting speed and a larger LCD screen?
I am looking into buying my first megazoom camera and am debating between the SX20 and Nikon P100. Two things are holding me back from purchasing the Canon- only 1.0 FPS (compared to 10 in the Nikon), and the smaller screen (2.5 inches) to the Nikon. Picture quality, zoom, screen size, and shooting speed are most important to me.
Thoughts?
Thanks!
I’m not sure you know the limitations of superzooms. You can actually get 4fps now if you get the SX1 IS, which is a better camera than the SX20 IS. However, any superzoom give it highest fps with focus and exposure locked so if you expect the camera to lock on some action and do 4fps the you’re going to be disappointed. Actually Canon is one of the few (I don’t know anybody else, but I don’t know everything) manufacturers that offers a continous shooting mode with AF on a superzoom. The frame rate drops however and will depend on focus speed of the camera.
Btw, I’d much rather have a full tilt and swivel 2.5″ screen than the 3 inch one that only tilts up or down on the P100 (and HX1 and HS10). Also note that the P100 can only take 7 pictures at 10 fps, Canon will shoot until the card is full or the batteries run out.
What Canon will do next is difficult to say, this is just a rumor, but the specifications look pretty realistic.
I see pigs!
And-and-and… they’re flying!
No larger sensor on the G12 or equivalent? Looks like I’ll be heading towards the next Panny/Samsung/Olympus m4/3 option. Was waiting, but it looks increasingly like Canon is going to take their own sweet time, which I cannot afford to wait any more. Latest I could wait was by end of year.
Recently write / read performance hasn’t kept pace with size. It’d be interesting to know how much cache RAM commodity drives will have in future – perhaps hard drive manufacturers will do something like integrate small ReadyBoost / ReadyDrive style SSDs for mainstream drives. If the decline of performance continues, it may start to make sense to buy solid-state memory (SSDs) for short-term image production and storage, or even RAMdisks, then move the files off to a traditional commodity platter drive for long term storage.
Later this year storage performance is getting an all-around boost as SDXC and similar faster cards get rolled out, and USB 3.0 as well.
Haha, keep waiting for the day when Canon starts supporting somebody else’s lenses.
I’m just wondering what they’ll do if they go to a mirrorless camera – even EF-S should have the same lens registration distance, not to mention the wasted glass around the edges on even an EF-S body with full-frame.
Personally I’m excited by the idea of waterproof HD cameras, though I’m sure clarity will be poor with a slow lens and compact-level sensitivity. (In terms of price, it sure beats shelling out for an awkward watertight kit for a 5D or 1D series camera though, but I can’t see these compacts performing at depth…yet. Maybe if there were something like the EOS 20Da, except for underwater photography.)
The Ixus 300HS has one as well as the Sony DSC-TX7… Maybe there are a few more.
I’m still waiting for the EF-S 15-70mm f/4 IS USM this is the crop equivelent of the 24-105 and anyone who says the 15-85 is that lens is wrong the 15-85 as good as it is is a variable aperture comsumer zoom.
I’m with you on that.
Hey, Canon, take the sensor/processor from a Rebel, stick it in an Olympus PEN-style body, launch a new EF-Micro mount if you want, but let me mount EF/EF-S lenses somehow. That would be hard to resist.
It’s called Leica M9
Yawn.
What are you yawning it at there are lots of people crying out for this lens so stop your bumming. Read this thread.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1029&message=35698300&q=1570&qf=m
I’m fed up with people saying there is no need for a constant f/4 15-70 saying that f/4 is no good for crop and then to say that a 15-85 is fine yet that lens is a f/5.6
Lots of people use the 24-105 on a crop body and love it but want more at the wide end.
Bottom line is the EF-S 15-70mm f/4 IS USM is the crop equivelent of the 14-105.
I’m yawning because you’ve been posting the same boring comment to every story for months. Just because you post under a different name each time does not mean that “there are lots of people crying out for this lens”. There aren’t. It’s just you.
Canon’s range finder cameras used LEICA SCREW mount lenses in the past. Present day Zeiss and Voightlander range finders use Leica M mount, just like Minolta did in the past. Seems like Leica is sorta the standard for rang finder cameras. Canon could make a Lot of Money selling lenses to owners of M mount cameras.
A MIL camera would NOT use EF-S mount lenses.
The Sony NEX doesn’t use Alpha mount lenses. A Micro 4/3 uses a different mount than a normal 4/3. Why would Canon compromise the design of their MIL camera by using EF-S lenses.
Seems that G12 will only have HD-video. I would wait for G13 with Full HD video.
Sadly there’s as many people crying out for that lens as for the 50-150 f/2.8. Still, if I could afford /Canon/ versions of those lenses I’d be able to spring for a full frame camera too. Ah well :-/
See bob it’s not just me.
And did you bother to read the attached thread
now there is a silly camera. it is so far from the cutting edge of modern auto ability or affordability I can’t imagine why you’d even bring it up?
if you can’t use a manual camera buyy an iphone!
Sounded so real?
http://canong12.com/
Rangefinders? Pretty sure you’re talking pre-FD (the original FD) there. That was then; this is now.
Selling lenses is a big part of Canon’s strategy and bottom line, and I would be surprised if they made an opening for people to easily start using alternative lenses, especially when many of those lenses are not especially sharp by modern standards (doubt Canon wants their net platform to be blamed for the softness of old portrait lenses).
I don’t see the sense of putting old-fashioned M-mount lenses on a non-reflex electronic viewfinder-only camera; there’s no weight or other savings to be had, and a lot of the glass is likely to be wasted unless the sensor on said camera is large.
Please canon, don’t just offer small sensor on the competition, Give us bigger one !
I just want a truly pocketable design updating the S90 w/ a faster lens throughout the zoom range (not just F2 at the widest) and 720p HD shooting w/ dedicated rec button.
The current model has great reviews already, so please Canon don’t screw up a great thing!
720 @ 60fps would be icing on the cake but I’d rather have 30fps with very good & noise-less auto focus.
Having shot 1080i in AVCHD and 1440×1080 @ 30fps in MP4 with pocket digicams and camcorders, I have to say 1280×720 is more than enough for great quality, easy editing on iMovie and manageable file sizes for uploading to Vimeo…
well lets see your website then Olav if you’re so bloody clever. just click on my link to see what I do with my iPhone you bloody idiot.
So what’s the deal with the waterproofs? Are they really going to use the D30 moniker “again” (EOS D30)?
What I’d really like would be a G-series spec waterproof that does all the full-HD, RAW photo capture and all that stuff in a nice small package…
Couldn’t agree more. I still shoot with my 6 year old A80. It’s 4 MP is more of a plus than a minus, it has an optical view finder, takes AA batteries and is well built. OK, the post stamp sized LCD is near useless for these failing eyes but it does swivel!
If the SX20 is to be replaced by the SX30, what speculation is there that the SX1 will be replaced?
Is the SX1’s cmos backlit?
If they go to a lion battery will there be an external charger available (maybe optional) or do you have to charge them in the camera?
How long after a product announcement, such as is being expected soon, will there be hardware reviews at such as cnet, and cameralabs?
Thanks much,
Rich