More 60D Conflicting Information [CR1]

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60D Specs
18mp
Slightly different form factor than 50D.
No articulating screen
6.5fps
New AF System

Expect an announcement during the 3rd week of August

EF 60 f/2.8 IS Macro
This lens will be released at the same time. Notice it’s not EF-S.

EF 24-70 f/2.8L IS
I’m told the testing phase of the lens is complete and manufacturing will start in the next 30 days.

Announcement in August.

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  • if that 60 2.8 is EF that would be a very cool lens – would suit my purposes very well.

    not much else to say – just bored at work while most of USA is off

  • a 60D with those specs in a D90 sized body while maintaining the magnesium alloy shell would be a BIG seller…just big enough for a top lcd and wheel. An AF system somewhere between the 50d and 7D. SD card rather than CF (to help keep size down) but using the battery from the 5D/7D

    Make it 1100 – drop the T2I to 700 body and the inevitable 2000d to 450 and you have a very nice line up…

  • Meh, you have the technology and sense to make a great camera. Do us all a favour and make it 15mp Digic V, High fps video, 13 point autofocus, Magnesium body of 50d ish and be done with it. Or at least make an announcement soon? I have been waiting Dslr’less for 3 months now.

  • smaller form factor seems to be the most consistant spec in all the rumors so far, even going back to last year i think..

  • Oh, okay. Thank you. :)

    I hope this rumor is false. The specs doesn’t excite me one bit.

  • At what exact settings do you find softness on current 24-70 2.8L?

    We only found little or some softness at corners (on Full Frame camera body) at wide open (f/2.8) aperture or so, as almost every lens, many primes included. Otherwise it’s extremely sharp.

  • People just pull stuff our of their a**** and that’s why it’s conflicting. None of the rumours posted on this site so far was based on an actual, overheard or leaked rumour, they are just fan boy dreams.

  • this spec is believable..and there are some hidden gems in it…yay…and the better AF is goooood news !!! Hope it’s light enough and w good enough AF to get my interest.

  • I really would like a full size articulating or flip up \ down LCD screen.

    Improved AF is welcome as well, of course.

    I do not care if it is any smaller than previous xxd’s. We have the 550D/T2i for that.

  • i guess the rumored new 50mm 1.4 won’t be released with a new 60mm macro. time to buy a new nifty fifty 1.4 while.

  • Extremely sharp ?????????
    dude you aint know what sharpness really means with the WA zooms canon dish out.
    the 24-70 is the softest of them all ” L ” zooms. 16-35 and 17-40 aint much better either, but `Better´.
    i hope one day canon can match nikon in sharpness at the Wide angle lens area.

    so,i hope this one is better.

  • Sigma 24-70 HSM is way sharper than the Canon 24-70 L.

    Says me who owned both.

    Sold the Canon.

  • I wonder if people who want fewer megapixels are Nikon fanbois that dont want their stuff to be upstaged…

  • It ain’t confirmed till the fat lady sings it.

    Still would prefer a real 50mm f/1.4 to the rumored 60mm macro; to be sure the 2.8 sounds like something Canon would release but I’m still of the mind that a f/1.4 would be more useful. Then again, the 60 might be sharp all across its range.

    At that focal length, though, I’d just wait and get the new 70-200mm IS II.

    If those 60D specs are close to true it’ll be an interesting camera to watch – and it’ll be interesting to see how good the video facilities are (if it has any; I’d be surprised if it doesn’t as the 50D was back when the T1i / 500D was a concept camera essentially).

  • It will take a lot more than these shoddy 60D specs to upstage anything Nikon…

  • Sorry Jeff, maybe you got a bad or not so good copy.

    We can’t agree that 24-70 2.8L is the “softest”, at all.

    Ours is extremely sharp, far better than 17-40 and 16-35 2.8L …. no complains at all here.

  • If the 60mm is as good as the 100mm then I will be all over it.

    Shame it is only f2.8 though.

  • i don’t understand how canon keep making MP, we need better IQ for god sake..

    For aps-c sensor its no more than 14mp, with fineart quality at iso 3200, 5fps, better AF system or at least same as 7d AF system, more DR especialy at the highlight, more realiable WB and acurate color

  • Very crisp, with great color and buttery smooth bokeh wide open and extended or with macro – it’s a killer lens.

  • We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. Your technological …

    Who is we, seriously? If you want to say something about your 24-70, then use the singular! That goes for pretty much everything you (singular) write. Saying we all the time makes you seem extremely pretentious.

    Thank you.

  • Hmmm.. Interesting Question. I thought first that they mint a different body size. But now that you have asked…

  • I hope they make the camera 6 megapixels with an aps-r sensor. 3 point AF like the rebel G. Built in can opener. Laser pointer. Ruler. Pencil sharpener. Did I say laser pointer? Oh and a built in water filter so I can have clean water on the go. That would be a D700 killer for sure!

  • Love it. I say it should also make waffles, double as a land-line phone and transform like an Autobot.

    I think this site should be changed from a rumor site to CanonWishLists.com (I checked and it doesn’t exist… time for someone out there to grab this one and make a kick ass blog!

    Though… I do enjoy reading the comments more than the rumors. Something about people mocking each other for minor spelling errors to being a “fanboy” for expressing their personal preference or opinion and so on. Sometimes there are people with gems of info, and I love when real factual info gets mocked :) That’s why this site will continue and flourish.

    Seriously:
    Personally I’m holding onto my Rebel XS until 60D comes out, regardless what its specs will be, it’s going to better than my crippled Rebel. I’m ok with a 50D now, but am in no hurry. The camera will still take the same pictures, it’ll just have a few better features. I’ll likely have to buy a few extra external hard drives if I start shooting video and shooting with higher megapixels, which will be a pain. Though if it does have less megapixels, I would hope it has greater tones and dynamic range similar to FF, that would be a nice compromise.

    I agree with the softness of the 24-70 (the one I used was sharp close up, but for group shots, my kit 18-55mm IS was better. I think I rented a bad version as this shouldn’t be.

  • Yup, that is EXACTLY what Canon needs now: a direct competitor to the D90. I’m sure it’ll sell like hot cakes. Auto CA removal will be a bonus.

  • I fully agree.
    This “we” is extremely distracting in his posts.
    Maybe it’s pluralis majestatis.

  • What, better IQ? For what or whom …?

    Just kidding, you have made the point. I like my 40D because I see a near pixel sharpness with good lenses (2.8 60 EF-S or 2.0 200 EF). I bought a second 40D body to avoid the 50D with its ca. 16 MP.

    The sample images of all cameras with 15+ MP at APS-C are not clean, not “photographic”. Their appearance is similar to – o.k., very – good compacts, but only at low ISO settings.

    And I don’t want to fill my hard drive with ultra large 20 MP files which store the same information as moderately large 10 MP at lower IQ.

  • God, too much of “the team”. “Weeee” don’t care about your blog and “weeee” would love it if “weee” stopped hearing from you on every Canon Rumors post about what you expect or have found in your expert analysis.

    Blah blah blah blah blah

  • It’s a team. 5d mark II team. Not 5d Mark II guy. it may be one lens, but if it’s shared by the team, it’s “we”

    :)

  • Well since everyone else is putting up there wish lists I just chip in and say that I still belive there is an EF-S 15-70mm f/4 IS USM coming.

  • How long does it normally take from an announcement till you can buy the camera in the shops?

  • Hi The Dude,

    We are more than one person (already explained in one thread here at CR a while ago… won’t be explaining it every week, sorry…)

    Sorry if you don’t like the “we” or “us”, but that’s not the important thing anyway. Everyone can write the way they like most, ie. as 1 person, 1 team, 1 animal, 1 whatever, can’t they? :)

    The important thing is the content, not the envelope :)

    I (the one who is writing now) have one copy, but my colleagues do also have their own EF 24-70 2.8L, which is also very sharp, crisp and have a beautiful bokeh as Glass Man mentioned above.

    So, for “us”, this lens is absolutely great, and can’t be labeled as “soft”, at all.

    Thanks.

  • Exactly – where is the wow factor. the 7D wow 18Mp on an aps-c, the 550D wow an almost 7d in a small cheap body. The 1D mk IV – wow speed and ISO.

    So the 60D (if ever) by this rumour is as fast as the 50D, has the same sensor as the 550d, BUT ‘WOW’ it may be a tad smaller and have a good AF system.

    Whilst i want a new body i also want a camera i can both afford and be proud about.

    Lets see some creative CR2/3 rumours with APS-H or ISO 256,000 16MP or video auto focus or DIGIC V with in camera HDR & other editing tools. Canon needs to be second guessing Nikon with there D700 and D90 imminent refreshes almost certainly to now include video as well as decent SLR performance.

  • I have the Canon. Sharp it ain’t, agreed, but I still love it. Good bokeh, good contrast and a very pleasing, slightly warm colour tone. Prints have a “pop” that lesser lenses fail to achieve. What’s the Sigma like in print?

  • 17-50mm f/4 would be plausible as a replacement for the existing 17-40 f/4, but 15-70? I think you’ve got you’re numbers mixed up.

  • 17-40L is FF lens, he meant EF-S, which is plausible, since we already have 15-85 (unfortunately with variable aperture), so 15-70/4 is sort of a dream lens for APS-C users, apart from 17-55/2.8, which is quite ready for update (in terms of mechanical durability e.g.)

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    Your all trolled this site has no solid rumors. Confilicting rumors, more like conflicting wish lists.

    What a waste of bandwidth.

  • Well, here we complain about high noise, and high MP, in the Nikon camp they moan and b*tch about just 12MP while Canon manages to throw in a whopping 18 MP. You can’t have the cake and eat it, too.
    I think specs like these (especially the new AF) would eat too much marketshare from the 7D.

  • There wasn’t much WOW about the 40D either… but i still like mine ;) No fancy video (50D, 5D2), no huge pixelcount, no special AF, just a good camera that did the job. If they go for 1 wow-part, and neglect the rest, i’m not interested.

  • I expect a new announcement soon, probably before Photokina 2010 (21.9. – 26.9.2010). Never ever been wrong with this expections.

  • Not only is there no indication that ArchisB was expecting such a thing (hence, it is not “obvious” by any definition of the word), but there’s no rational reason to want fewer pixels in the first place.

    Once again, an image’s SNR is a function of the size of the sensor, not the size of the pixels. More pixels, on the other hand, gets you more detail.

  • Bet “you all” never used this lens.

    I agree with all of those that stated that this lens is the softest of all Canon L zoom lenses. As a professional photographer I do like this lens however only not wide open at 2.8.

    So please stop with your crappy responses and stop with acting like a child!!!!

  • You believe in fairytales don’t you?

    Why do you think this is going to happen?
    Don’t you think it would hurt sales of 7D a lot?

    I do think so….

    Hans Andersson

  • I find mine soft and muddy from 50 to 70mm, and it’s not a back-focus or front-focus problems

    I would be happy if Canon halves the price of this L

  • No articulating screen?

    I hope that’s not true, because I think it’s a great feature for any camera, and not enough DSLR’s have them (almost none).

  • Don’t you believe in technology advancing? The 7D will most probally either -1 the 60d will be held back by the 7d or -2 the 60d will exel in the new technology and upstage the 7d and the 7d will be updated too in the nearer future.

  • How old will the 7D be when the next xxD debuts?

    And it is likely that Nikon/Sony will have newer cameras at the 7D level to compete with it and possibly out do it in some areas.

    So, the 7D is already “old” and will be updated next year (guess) thus it is fine for the xxD to come close to it in terms of MP and some other specs.

    The xxD has to keep its own slice of the market from whatever new Nikon Dxx/Dxxx come out in that price range.

  • True Maxim, holding back for too long will see both 7D and 60D sales losing out to improvements from Nikon, Sony, Pentax, Panasonic, Sigma etc. Or me just not buying a 7D. releasing the 550D was deemed necessary by canon and that almost halfed the 7D price. for a similair base set of features. The 7D is a solid performer but will itself over time become less desirable.

  • While i’ll wait for an answer about the troll…
    Nope, SNR is a function of the single pixel dimension, to be precise, of the photoreceptor area.
    Using the same type of microlenses (gapeless), the same technology (not backlit) and the same ADCs onboard the CMOS, bigger pixels got higher SNR, it is physics, they simply collect more photons.

    Whay you said about the size of the sensors is wrong, building a FF sensor with the MP density of a compact camera will not rise it’s SNR, simply it doesn’t change anything. (pixels binning would change things but this is not the case we’re speaking about)

    Luke

  • Wait? August is the announcement? I thought past posts said July 15-17 is Canon’s announcement dates? Boo! Still waiting for the red ringer’s announcement! Lets get it done!

  • The current one is great, really there are other lenses more needing of updates (50 1.4 I’m looking at you).

    The only real niggle I have with the 35 1.4 is the purple fringing on highlight areas wide open.

  • I’m curious, why do you hate SD so much? I find the form factor and absence of pin connections of SD to be a great advantage.

    Is it simply a transfer speed issue, or are there other factors?

  • Yeah, I do actually. Video cameras have had articulating screens forever. Any arguments about “they’re too fragile and will break” are bogus. I’ve got screens on 5 vidcams, some seeing heavy use for 8 years without issues.

    I’m short. I do handheld overhead shots fairly often, along with low angles where I can’t possibly get my face behind the camera for either the viewfinder or screen to be useful. To me, an articulating screen would be the second most desireable feature behind improved low light performance.

  • Video cameras don’t have the extremely small DOF that DSLRs do. It is for this same reason that professional video camera systems still use eyepieces.

    Trying to use an LCD to verify that a subject is in critical focus while hand holding an SLR is a fool’s errand.

  • Aren’t we seeing a unique situation here? If there is going to be a 60D, as I believe, then could we be seeing three cameras that share essentially the same sensor? I find that hard to believe. Surely over the course of these three introductions, there must be a substantial breakthrough or change in sensors.

    I am dismissing this 60D rumor in favor of the one for video optimization and articulated screen. It carries a CR2 rating.

    http://www.canonrumors.com/2010/06/new-dslr-features-cr2/

  • Canon, shake things up, like you did with the original rebel. Try out this idea….. and create a whole community around your camera. THAT would be amazing….

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113692571

    Here is a quote from the comments that nails it….

    People seem to be missing the point here. HDR is NOT the point. HDR is old news and can be done easily with any camera that can do exposure bracketing and some free software off the internet. The POINT is that the camera can run SOFTWARE. And not a closed system from the manufacturer but Free/Open Source Software (F/OSS) that anyone can write a plugin for. What they are talking about here is being able to create a collection of “apps” much like the app store for the iPhone. These apps would be able to do anything that a programmer can think up. I teach college level digital photography and just this semester a student came in with a new camera for the course- a Fuji I think. I was looking through it and this camera was amazing in it’s features. It had the ability to take a portrait and profile of a family member or friend and store that image as a reference. On the correct setting, anytime you point the camera at a group of people, the camera would use the reference face to do face recognition and lock focus on the face you stored! Imaging being at a kids BD party and every picture you snap has YOUR kid in perfect focus. That’s just one more example (in addition to HDR) of the power of apps.

    Other apps might be to snap the shutter on motion detection, or COLOR detection- your favorite horse or your favorite soccer player enters the field of vision and you get the shot or shots. Another app (which a lot of cameras do now) may be to snap on “smile detection” or rapid-fire shutter on light detection- you could get some cool fireworks shots that way with a high enough ISO. Or an app that understands when you need servo focus to capture approaching or retreating action. NPR recently had a story on some guys that managed to jam F/OSS software into an old canon which they programmed to snap the shutter once every 5 seconds until the memory card was full. They started it shooting, attached it to a weather balloon and sent it on a 5 hour ride to the upper edge of the atmosphere. Without special software, the camera couldn’t have done that. This is not about making artists out of laypeople- rest assured the ART of photography still rests squarely in the hands of photographic ARTISTS. This is about customizing the function and utility of a digital camera and, more importantly, allowing the general public to do their OWN customization. Personally, I’m curious to see what people come up with.

  • No worries, bet and believe anything you want (btw, you lost the bet). We won’t post pics just to show you it is sharp…

    Just do some research or check it at http://www.the-digital-picture.com which is an excellent website for that purpose.

    We cannot say “all” 24-70 2.8L are sharp, but at least those ones we use (and also pictures taken with other copies) are really sharp.

    Of course… a good prime is sharper, it cannot be compared at its sweet spot and some other aperture settings. But for instance, 24-70 2.8L (at its firsts f-stops) is sharper and has better contrast than 50mm 1.4 or 50mm 1.2L at their maximum apertures and firsts f-stops.

    We are really sorry that some copies might be soft, although that could happen with any lens.

    It is a very expensive lens and we wouldn’t wish anybody to get a bad copy (we suggest to check it right after buying it, and returning/exchanging it in case it is soft, because it shouldn’t be.)

    We highly recommend the website mentioned above to check/compare your own copy.

    “stop with acting like a child!!!!”? … Please, read yourself :)

  • at this point SD is just as fast as CF was last year and that is more than fast enough. The CF cards now are faster than our means to download them so it’s mostly a waste….

    But – BUT – if that is the big drawback then (drumroll) CF cards it is on my imagined wish camera that would back up my 5DII

  • My odds for a 60D:

    Existing 18mp sensor: 99 percent

    Same basic features as Rebel T2i: 85 percent

    Body a little tougher than Rebel: 80 percent

    Price point above $1,100 US: 85 percent

    Articulating screen: 50 percent

    Wow factor: 5 percent

    I think this will be an incremental camera built to a price point that doesn’t cannabalize the 7D.

    Just my opinion. What’s yours?

    Now for what I really care about: does Tokina’s new lens announcement mean we are finally close to the release of the long-awaited 80-400 IS lens? I certainly hope so.

  • That’s just not true.

    I use firewire card readers that can easily exceed the fastest (~60MB/s) CF cards. Saying something is “fast enough” is a very subjective statement.

  • I have a feeling the D90 Mark II will be an killer, Canon have to make a move and steal the market in that area. It would be more beneficial to dominate that part of the market and sacrifice 7d sales, In my mind of course, but thats only an opinion.

  • Only a true “Tool” would rag on the author who’s website he is found contributing to. Bravo!!! Leave

  • Come on, CRGUY :/
    What are all those 60D news?
    I don’t want to whine but where do all these news come from? Is there even a slight truth behind them?

    I love CR,com but it would be great to know sources when it comes to CR1…

    Cause without, they just look like the ideas of CR fans who sent them to you..

  • That’s why I said the _image’s_ SNR, not the pixel’s. The SNR of a single pixel isn’t a useful metric. It tells you nothing of the size of the image or the amount of light gathered by the sensor as a whole.

  • So extremely sharp that it is less sharp than a tamron and has blurry edges on a 5D2 at 24mm at f/8?

  • Only problem with letting people run their own software to run on the camera is the possibility of viruses and simply badly written (but well-meaning) software. Canon doesn’t want to be blamed for that.

    I imagine most people would rather deal with the potential problems and get the extendability. I certainly don’t like paying for top-end software, but I find that I have to use it anyway – in-camera processing is a horrible idea imo, the processor should be busy saving more data, not tweaking it. That’s for Digital Photo Pro and other stuff to work on the RAWs later.

  • Critical Focus? Who said anything about focus? I’m hardly concerned about critical focus when I’m handholding a shot at arms length above my head. That’s why I have Autofocus. What I’m looking for is a way to frame the shot. Viewfinders are *useless* when your eye can’t look through them, and LCDs are the same when they’re pointed in the wrong direction.

    Here’s an example. Go into any building. Lay your camera on the floor, pointed up at the ceiling. Try and frame your shot using the viewfinder. Now try using the LCD. Worse, you can’t even chimp the shot to see if you got it.

  • Hahaha, ironic that it was The Dude complaining about the 5D Team saying “we.”

    Wasn’t it The Dude from The Big Lebowski himself, who said, “We, the ‘royal we’, man, the ‘editorial we’.

    Oh yeah, and that lens is soft, by the way. I had an EFS 17-55 f/2.8 that was razor sharp wide open, but had to sell it to get the 24-70 when I started planning to move to a full frame or 1D body. I still miss that lens.

    Having said that, there is something about some of the pictures from the 24-70 lens that can be quite beautiful in a can’t put one’s finger on it kind of way …

  • Again, the quantity of light that a single pixel gathers is the index of the SNR, not the sensor size… you can do it as large as you want but SNR will reamain low, if pixels are small.

  • Angle eye pieces have been around for more than 50 years. It is a ‘bandage” from the film days for the SLRs that do not have a interchangeable view finder. You cannot use it for the overhead shot. If you use it for ground level shooting, you have to be lying on your stomach to be comfortable. Would you like to use it??? As for Articulated screen. It is great. You can raise the camera over head or put it ON the ground and you are still in a comfortable position. That is why in the old film days, Both Exakta and Nikon F’s have interchangeable view finder (penta prism and “waist level”). Both are professional level camera. All cameras by Rollieflex have the waist level as standard.

  • But the point is that you can use it for you what you want and others can make their decisions. No need to make a one size fits all. The more I think about it, the more I think this frankencamera idea would be fascinating for an EVIL model.

    Imagine the community that would popup around it! Keep the camera bout $600 and very extensible. Use Android for the OS. Let the camera talk to your Android phone, via Bluetooth and it could upload photos as taken and tag them with GPS. Just imagine the ‘fun’ things that could be created.

  • What Tamron? 28-75 2.8 XR Di?

    We compared them side by side with lot of pictures taken with the same camera, and the Canon 24-70 2.8L was clearly sharper than the tamron at same apertures and focal lengths…

    The Tamron is a great value for its price, but Canon 24-70 2.8L is sharper (not to mention other advantages like better built, weather sealing, full manual focus override, peripheral illumination correction data -for those DSLRs with that feature, etc.)

  • I cannot understand why so many people are against having an articulated screen on a DSLR in the level of 60D or above. It it a great tool for ground level shots or above the head shots, especially with DSLRs with auto focus. I am going to put in my arguments on the following points:
    1. It is not rugged enough. No true. articulating screen has been used for over 10 years in both camcorders and higher level point and shot cameras. I tis not a problem. I have a G1 for about 10 years. the screen hinge are still good as new.
    2. Professional Camcorder does not have articulated screen. Yes but they have mini TV monitors with hood,such that they can monitor the scene at bright
    sunlight.
    3. Articulating screen is not for professionals. Not true. in the old film days. Rollieflex have waist level finder as their standard for the whole company products. Exakta and Nikon F’s have interchangeable view finders, including waist level finders. All three are professional level cameras.
    4. Cannot focus with the articulated screen. Not true. that is what live view and auto focus is for. Also what has happen to the technique of zone focusing??? it has been used for overhead shots for manual focus camera in the old film days. I tis still usable on the DSLRs.

    My opinion is that articulated screen is a nice tool to have along as the optical view finder is still there. i do not want to use live view on DSLR all the time. my only concern is that it will make the camera thicker and may impact the handling of the camera.

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