GMCPhotographics said:

Yes, I agree. I actually prefer the file I get out of my R6ii to those I get from my R5. The resolution choice of 24mp was to buff 4K video (yawn) and the bump to 33mp in the mkiii was to assist 8K video (double yawn). So none of these choices were made for photographers needs in mind. It was all about the hybrid / video sales. If the R8II is truly an enthusiasts photographer’s camera, then let’s hope Canon truly hit that specific target.
That said the R8 is still a remarkably capable camera.

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You cannot get 8k 16:9 video out of a 33mp 3:2 sensor. While 8k video is 7680x4320 (33.2mp), a 3:2 sensor must be at least 7680x5120 (39.3mp) to manage this. This is why we see so many ~45mp cameras from Canon, Nikon, and Sony.

The R6III going to 33mp was pretty clearly in response to the A7IV having gone to 33mp. It's not a move that is particularly useful for video but does give photographers a bit of a boost in resolution.

Neighbor was a Canon USA executive, never felt it appropriate to try to pry any insider information, I followed Canon Rumors, the one unsolicited tip, “Pay attention to Canon Rumors, they’re pretty good on their rumors.”

That’s “straight from the horse’s mouth!”

Personally, I appreciate the articles on this site, but I don’t expect them to be gospel.

And while I will probably purchase an R7 II when it’s available, unless they come out with an R3 II first, to me there’s no rush. Plus the longer they make the R7, the more there are out there, the longer Canon will service them, and the market forces will likely drive the price lower when I purchase a second R7 for my underwater housing due to market saturation.

It’s all good

danfaz said:

Are we sure prices for the long discontinued 7D Mark II would be affected in any way by the release of an R7 Mark II?

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I'd have to presume it is to some degree, given the discord between the build/positioning of the R7 to the 7D series.

Brown said:

He was talking about Nikon, largely, giving up on crop bodies.
As of present, Canon is the most invested in APS-C bodies.

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Ahhh, I misunderstood that, or rather over-interpreted it into the thread context. Apologies!

neuroanatomist said:

Why would the strategy of three niche manufacturers, who combined with Nikon still fall short of half of Canon’s market share, make sense for Canon?

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He was talking about Nikon, largely, giving up on crop bodies.
As of present, Canon is the most invested in APS-C bodies.

Edit: Aside from Fujifilm, of course, but that's a different relationship, since the 1.5x "crop" sensor is what their system is built around.

David - Sydney said:

the sunk cost is not "lost" unless the body never sees the light of day.

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Part of it will be if it falls far enough behind the competition in the interim that it requires a redesign/revision.

Brown said:

It'd make sense.
Leica, Panasonic and Sigma have.

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Why would the strategy of three niche manufacturers, who combined with Nikon still fall short of half of Canon’s market share, make sense for Canon? About 63% of ILCs sold are crop.

Not launching an R7II this year doesn’t mean that Canon has ‘given up on the crop bodies’. The 7-series has had the slowest refresh cycle since it launched.

Tom R5R7 said:

My Nikonian friend tells me that she thinks Nikon has basically given up on the crop bodies.

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It'd make sense.
Leica, Panasonic and Sigma have.

and what of that 6GHz wifi certification floating around? What camera does that align with? Doubtful it is this R6V or R8II

Brown said:

Quite the disappointment.
I was hoping the release of the R7MkII would push down the prices of the 7D2 so that a particularly good deal could be had on one.

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Are we sure prices for the long discontinued 7D Mark II would be affected in any way by the release of an R7 Mark II?

Brown said:

And let said R&D and production depreciate?

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Unless there is capitalised cost, then there will be no "depreciation".
Cash flow will be affected by spending the R&D early but the sunk cost is not "lost" unless the body never sees the light of day.

The assumption that volume production of bodies are already in finished goods/shipping warehouse can't be confirmed.
I would doubt that Canon would delay the release by >6 months if they had stock on hand ready to distribute/ sell.

It is entirely likely that manufacturing capacity constraints have made the product release schedule change.
If sales are up on higher profit bodies then it makes sense to delay.
It could even be a problem sourcing a key component or a yield problem with a custom chip. We will never know.

The R&D/testing hasn't been wasted unless the body needs to change ie more R&D/testing needed. It is just a cash flow/advance cost.

TexPhoto said:

Would I love a successor to the 7D I and II? Yes!
Was the R7 that? H377 NO!
Was the R7 II going to be? Maybe.... a little.

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I had the 7D and 7DII for many years. My R7 is a huge upgrade over both cameras in every way that matters to me.

blackcoffee17 said:

The R7 was released years ago already and still no direct competitor from Nikon.

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My Nikonian friend tells me that she thinks Nikon has basically given up on the crop bodies. Nothing really since the D7500. 7200 really since they went with less pixel density in later models. Birders aren't all that happy, though they're still great cameras.

*democratic republic

Brown said:

And let said R&D and production depreciate?

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If their financial models indicate that they can’t make a profit on the product, then ultimately it would be yes - write it off.

I actually think the ‘supply chain crunch’ is a very plausible explanation of the situation. The rumored R7II is basically an R5II with an APS-C sensor rather than a FF sensor. You almost certainly aren’t going to save $1k+ on a camera just by switching to APS-C so the R7II was already going to have narrower margins - price increases in RAM and associated electronics could easily squeeze those margins to the point where it just doesn’t make economic sense to proceed at this time.

If this is the case, then it’s highly likely that they aren’t abandoning the project, but instead putting it on hold for 6 or 8 months to see what happens with the supply chain landscape.

Quite the disappointment.
I was hoping the release of the R7MkII would push down the prices of the 7D2 so that a particularly good deal could be had on one.

Exploreshootshare said:

I kind of think Canon has finished the R&D process for the R7, field tested it (it has been reported on multiple channels) and basically has the camera ready to go. Then all of a sudden, the R7 still keeps selling well plus nobody knows what happens to the worlds economy at moment. Sooooo, let's wait a little bit longer.

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And let said R&D and production depreciate?

Oh well. Canon took R7ii so far upmarket that it became a fullframe R6V. At least some more money is now saved to buy the RF 300-600. Or should I say used EF 200-400...

justaCanonuser said:

How much do you pay?

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Not enough.

mb66energy said:

Maybe Canon wants to skip minor changes and is thinking about a real leap forward IMO this might be a global shutter or at least a really fast readout of the sensor for video and electronic shutter as a real difference between other offerings.
To make such a sensor in a e.g. 2000 €-body is a large step.

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Well, the rumored upgrades were hardly minor. Regardless, it doesn't explain a year plus of rumored specs from "accurate" sources. Canon didn't leak the false specs. That said, I have my doubts Canon will ever make a mirrorless APS body suitable for birding. Too much cost, too few buyers. We wanted to believe the fantasy.

Steve Balcombe said:

I see people carrying broadcast-quality video gear including a massive tripod, and honestly wonder how they do it. They must be much fitter than me.

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JRetz said:

Looks like Canon just opened the door for the Nikon Z90.

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Except the Z90 is every much Rumorware as the R7 II. Nikon Rumors explicitly said no such animal was expected in 2026 and it hasn't mentioned anything about potential specs or news this year.

However, the Fuji X-T6 is real and coming later this year, so there is that. The R7 II news is disappointing but always seemed too good to be true. I'll keep rolling with my R5 II but a solid performing APS body is still on my want list.

Michael Clark said:

As for why your EF 300mm f/4 L IS with a 1991 design isn't as good with newer MILCs, please see Roger Cicala's old blog entry Autofocus Reality: Part 3B from back in 2012. He explains that Canon upped the game around 2010 as to how accurately the lens reports the focus position to the camera.

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I know, I loved to follow his blog for many years. But in real life, the old EF 300mm f/4.0 L IS USM worked quite well even with my 5D4. Interestingly, my old EF 500mm f/4.5 L USM from 1995 worked still surprisingly well with my R7, in contrast to my 300mm, a lens that was introduced in 1997.