mimbu said:

I'd love to see Canon up their sensor game, but they don't seem to want to spend the money. They should just buy Sony sensors, but they never will.

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Being dependent on your biggest competitor is a bad idea, and Sony doesn't even make Dual Pixel Autofocus still camera sensors.

Bob Howland said:

Update, hypothetical question: So are all these improvements worth a $1000 price increase?

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A R10ii would clearly go upmarket and the price would climb. I´d guess it would be in R7 territory, but still cheaper because R&D costs are not existent because there going to use the R7 parts. My guess would be: 1.299 € +/- 100 €. Probably, after three months with some kind of cash back...

mimbu said:

He did not say stacked. He said BSI. While all stacked sensors are BSI, not all BSI sensors are stacked. [Edit: I stand corrected and somehow missed that he wrote stacked. That does make it even more laughable though, the R7ii is not getting a stacked sensor.]

It is EXTREMELY unlikely that the R7ii will get a stacked sensor. In fact I doubt it will be BSI either as Canon didn't put BSI into the R6iii.

The R6iii was "rumored" to get a fully stacked sensor, lots of discussion about it getting the R3 sensor, yadda yadda. Even the R6ii early rumors were of stacked sensors.

Personally I think Canon will stuff another low-tech FSI sensor into the R7ii and just bump the resolution. Same thing they did with the R6iii. I'd like to be wrong, but I doubt that I will be.

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It never made any sense that the R6iii would get a stacked sensor. It would compete way too much with R1, R3, R5mkii then and they would raise price a bunch and leave a big gap.

R7mkii even stacked doesn't really compete with those cameras. It does compete a little with R5mkii as a "high resolution" camera but a lot of people would get a R7mkii as a second camera instead so canon wouldn't really be losing out on sales.

Everyone upset about interpolation is gonna flip when they found out what “debayering” is.

As we all know, lens design is about tradeoffs. If y’all want to pay for and carry around all the extra glass elements that these “optically perfect” lenses would require, be my guest. But I welcome smaller, lighter, fewer glass element lenses using digital rather than optical corrections as long as the performance is up to snuff. And I think any rigorous lens testing methodology shows that most of the L-series lenses have the performance we all expect, regardless of the correction type used.

Have there been any recent rumors about a 39MP R7V?

Glad to hear about the 39 MP, because that opens the door to them including 8K video (very useful for 3D/VR). June can’t come soon enough!

mimbu said:

Well, not sure how I missed it, but that makes it even more laughable. It will end up with another low-tech FSI sensor, same as the R6iii did.

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You missed it for Freudian reasons - you were blinded by your own belief.

I think that it goes without saying that it'll have considerably faster readout and will have better autofocus. The things I'd like to see probably won't happen because the laws of physics won't allow it - less noise to compete with the full frame sensors also available.

Common pheasant
R5m2 + RF 200-800 + 1.4TC
@ f/13, 1/4000s



Didn't expected a jump and used a shutter speed of just 1/1250

Uneternal said:

He said stacked:

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Canon often introduces newer technologies in smaller sensor sizes before they do on full frame. For instance, the Powershot G7X III had a stacked sensor before they were even a thing. Personally, I think stacked sensors aren't mature yet, they are slightly more noisy than older Canon sensors, especially when lifting shadows.

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Well, not sure how I missed it, but that makes it even more laughable. It will end up with another low-tech FSI sensor, same as the R6iii did.

Another rumor has been "the best focusing in any APS-C camera." That is at least as important to me as a BSI,, maybe stacked or partially-stacked, sensor. Also, If the 10-2 includes IBIS, I hope it doesn't get (much) larger or heavier.

Update, hypothetical question: So are all these improvements worth a $1000 price increase?

mimbu said:

He did not say stacked.

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"The EOS R7 Mark II will have a backside-illuminated stacked sensor."

He clearly stated a stacked sensor.

mimbu said:

He did not say stacked. He said BSI. While all stacked sensors are BSI, not all BSI sensors are stacked. It is EXTREMELY unlikely that the R7ii will get a stacked sensor. In fact I doubt it will be BSI either as Canon didn't put BSI into the R6iii.

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He said stacked:


Canon often introduces newer technologies in smaller sensor sizes before they do on full frame. For instance, the Powershot G7X III had a stacked sensor before they were even a thing. Personally, I think stacked sensors aren't mature yet, they are slightly more noisy than older Canon sensors, especially when lifting shadows.

mimbu said:

That said, the reason Canon continues to report being #1 in ILC sales is that they have been shoveling cheap DSLRs out the door as fast as they can make them. In the mirrorless world, Sony still sells more MILCs than Canon does. It's now very close, and maybe next year Canon will overtake Sony in MILC sales, but they haven't done so yet.

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You should check your facts before posting blatantly false information.

Yes, the vast majority of DSLRs that are sold are entry-level bodies made by Canon. However, DSLRs represent only 10% of the ILC market, and that fraction continues to fall. But Canon also leads the global MILC market. They took the #1 spot away from Sony in 2022. In 2024, Canon had close to 40% of the global MILC market, and Sony had around 30%. That's a very solid lead. Based on the usual timing, we will see the numbers for 2025 market share in late summer/early fall of this year. The source for them is typically a Nikkei report and the data are re-reported by a Japanese website (dclife.jp) then picked up by other sites (the data above were reported by FujiRumors).

I suspect you are merely parroting an article you read (like this one from CR or this one from PetaPixel) but failed to read carefully and/or failed to understand, because it sounds like what you're referring to are data from the BCN Awards, where Sony has held the #1 spot in MILCs for the past several years (Canon held it in 2022 but that was an outlier), and in 2025 Sony had only a 2.5% lead over Canon. Maybe you don't understand that those numbers are for the Japanese market only, which represents only ~7% of the global ILC market (and based on the data is clearly not a representative sample of the global market).

In any case, I'd suggest that you ensure you have checked the relevant data and made sure you understand it before posting. Better yet, post the source(s) for your information. Posting misinformation, as you've done above, makes you look like a fool.

Canon Rumors said:

The Canon EOS R7 Mark II is the most antifipated EOS R camera coming in 2026. The current R7 is a much loved crop camera if you go by all of the related communities out there. The 7 series has always been a mix of performance and value. Sensor Resolution The biggest question from enthusiasts […]

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I doubt Canon will put a BSI sensor into the R7ii when they didn't do that even for the R6iii. I think this is just another case of people being too hopeful, just like when everyone was "sure" the R6iii would get not only a BSI sensor but a stacked BSI sensor. Yet here we are with the R6iii getting yet another FSI sensor.

I'd love to see Canon up their sensor game, but they don't seem to want to spend the money. They should just buy Sony sensors, but they never will.

Exploreshootshare said:

One more thing comes to mind:
With the R7ii getting a 39 mp stacked back-side illuminated sensor (with IBIS of course) and going (way?!) upmarket, I believe there is room for a IBIS equipped R10ii. If this happens, Canon would have one the most intriguing APS-C line-up, even though the native lens portfolio is nothing to brag about.

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He did not say stacked. He said BSI. While all stacked sensors are BSI, not all BSI sensors are stacked. [Edit: I stand corrected and somehow missed that he wrote stacked. That does make it even more laughable though, the R7ii is not getting a stacked sensor.]

It is EXTREMELY unlikely that the R7ii will get a stacked sensor. In fact I doubt it will be BSI either as Canon didn't put BSI into the R6iii.

The R6iii was "rumored" to get a fully stacked sensor, lots of discussion about it getting the R3 sensor, yadda yadda. Even the R6ii early rumors were of stacked sensors.

Personally I think Canon will stuff another low-tech FSI sensor into the R7ii and just bump the resolution. Same thing they did with the R6iii. I'd like to be wrong, but I doubt that I will be.

One more thing comes to mind:
With the R7ii getting a 39 mp stacked back-side illuminated sensor (with IBIS of course) and going (way?!) upmarket, I believe there is room for a IBIS equipped R10ii. If this happens, Canon would have one the most intriguing APS-C line-up, even though the native lens portfolio is nothing to brag about.

Great news here! A stacked sensor on the R7ii really means the camera is going upmarket and becoming a lot more what people really wanted the R7 to be. I´m excited for this camera

Michael Clark said:

What I am saying is that acutance measured using a two-dimensional test chart parallel to the camera's sensor tells you nothing about bokeh. Absolutely nothing.

All lens design is compromise. The flat field correction needed to make a flat test chart look sharper on the edges very often makes out of focus objects harsher and busier than designs that are not made for potential buyers who are obsessed with how well a lens reproduces flat test charts above all else.

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I'm sorry I still do not get it. This is general knowledge. How is this an answer to my statement?
I'm saying for the third time, the Sigma 135/1.8 is superior to the Canon 135//2 in basically every way.

There could be hundreds of valid answers, like
- You prefer the Canon because it weighs less and the way you shoot it's more important than other aspects.
- You love how it fits to your other 72mm filter lenses and you are using many filters and the Sigma's 82mm would have been a pain.
You could even have a ton of arguments which are BS but still valid as reply like
- You think the Canon is actually sharper.
- You think the Canon has nicer bokeh.
- You think Canon has faster AF

But the thing is you are not saying anything. You are pretending to lecture, while implying that my opinion is invalid due to my lack of knowledge. But you don't have the balls to actually say the Canon is sharper or faster or whatever, because it's BS.

You are also implying that my opinion is based on test charts and the fact that test charts are not telling you the 100% truth about IQ somehow invalidates my whole statement. Both are BS.
The two lenses are so much worlds apart (not surprisingly as they have 20y! difference), you don't need test charts to know.
Sigma performing way better on a test chart is like 10% of the story.

Btw regarding test charts, you are all over the place.
First of all, test charts and bokeh? What? Of course they don't tell you anything about bokeh. Since when was the purpose of charts about bokeh? It's about sharpness, contrast, resolution, color rendering.
Do test charts tell you 100% everything about a lens? No.
Are they still useful and give you a lot of info? Yes.
Does this have anything to do with the original topic? No.

Please say you had both lenses and for this and this reason you prefer the Canon. Or say that you never touched/shot the Sigma but you just love the Canon for whatever reason. Or have the balls and say the Canon is sharper than the Sigma, I don't care how much it's a bs.
Just say something that that actually reflects on the topic or my post.

JuanMa and Sporgon,

Very nice shots, guys.

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I love such comparisons! thx

Last of the evening light over Assynt in the Highlands of Scotland, with Stac Pollaidh framed between two mountains.
R6 + vintage Takumar 35mm f/3.5, hand held at 1/13th and about f/5.6 I guess

Chig said:

I find it hard to believe anyone is still buying these cameras or that they've only just been discontinued
They still work fine and if you're shooting static subjects give excellent results but why would anyone buy one at a retail price higher than an R6ii which is a vastly better camera in every way?

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I doubt Canon has been selling a lot of 5D level cameras in recent years, the buyers of those cameras are generally going to opt for an R5 or R6 instead.

That said, the reason Canon continues to report being #1 in ILC sales is that they have been shoveling cheap DSLRs out the door as fast as they can make them. In the mirrorless world, Sony still sells more MILCs than Canon does. It's now very close, and maybe next year Canon will overtake Sony in MILC sales, but they haven't done so yet. (Of course if Sony ever wakes up enough to release some cheaper APS-C MILC E mount bodies they'll continue to give Canon a run for their money in terms of unit volume.)

These are with the EOS R6 and the 16-35 2.8II.
Taken in Alcala de Henares near Madrid.

el peso said:

Is R5 Mark II any worse? Would you cry about original R5? So why all this funeral wailing?

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