Here's a baby grasshopper next to an uncooked grain of rice.
R5m2 + RF 100-500

I too lean on the R8 V because the C-complement for the R6 is the C50.
Owning the R50 V for its S&F capability and 2nd body for a wider lens ... some remarks:
→ I will never go again with EVF for a universal camera if that could be avoided
→ IQ is very good IMO and the camera is versatile on great on a gimbal because it is so compact
→ Easy powering with a PD USB-C power bank is great for time lapses (S&F!) and works as expected: Just click the battery cabel to the camera (I use a magentic adapter hoping that stumbling over a cable will not turn the tripod over!)

With an R8 V at 1899 € I would prefer the R6 iii with its S&F, viewfinder and IBIS ... if the new V-camera has real fps settings and long exposure times e.g. 0.5 sec at 1 fps ... that could be interesting just without EVF ...

Exploreshootshare said:

A Canon RF 20-50mm F4 IS STM PZ sounds really, really intriguing if it is very light. I've been going back and forth about my light setup or travel set up and this sounds like it might be an interesting option.

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That's an interesting consideration. 20-50mm would be very good 'walkaround' range for a single lens, similar to the 16-50mm range on the PowerShot V1. If this lens does come along, I'll wait for the IQ results to see if it's worthwhile, but it very well might be.

OH BOY OH BOY!!!!

I thought this day would never come!
Canon, I promise to order one if you don't fck it up in some way!

The camera sounds like an interesting addition to Canons portfolio. It kind of makes sense for it to be a R8V, since there already is a video dedicated camera that shares the same sensor as the R6iii. Atm, I'm very happy with the R8 as my second camera and as a light travel set up. In the future and if I decide to finally do more video stuff (school plays?) the R8V could become interesting to me.

A Canon RF 20-50mm F4 IS STM PZ sounds really, really intriguing if it is very light. I've been going back and forth about my light setup or travel set up and this sounds like it might be an interesting option.

InternalRevenue said:

If Canon had a brightish stabilized wider-angle compact zoom for RF-S the R50V would have been perfect for my use case, but they don’t and I expect that rumored RF-S 15-70mm f/4 will be on the large size. Even if it isn’t, like you said it doesn’t take much to become “too big for coat pocket” and defeat the purpose of a slim body.

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For me, those use cases are met pretty well by the PowerShot V1. The 2x crop isn't too far off the 1.6x for APS-C, and a focal length range equivalent to 16-50mm on FF is well-suited for a walkaround lens, for me. I do prefer the 24-105mm range on a FF camera, but in that case I almost always have either the 14-35 or the 10-20 in the camera bag, and in urban settings I will often have the 14-35 instead of the 24-105 on the camera most of the time.

The f/2.8-4.5 lens is not 'fast', but it's not too much slower than the G5/G7's f/1.8-2.8 when you also consider that those lenses have a 2.7x crop sensor behind them (i.e., for equivalence the V1 is 16-50mm f/5.6-9, and the G5/G7 is 24-100mm f/4.9-7.6).

neuroanatomist said:

Sadly, the camera has a B4 mount, which has a 48mm flange focal distance. No adapting RF lenses to that.

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Maybe macro for sleeping bugs!

Martin868 said:

That is the theory behind those products. In practice I don't think that is working. Canon is falling behind and the successful brands are not successful by doing this kind of stuff. Sony is great because of a broader ecosystem, great cameras in different form factors many of which Canon do not produce, and Fuji have interesting JPEG processing and compact systems. Canon seems to always be doing the same old same old. I am invested in Canon RF but I see the gaps and Canon does not seem to move in the right directions.

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Troll!

Sadly, the camera has a B4 mount, which has a 48mm flange focal distance. No adapting RF lenses to that.

dwkdnvr said:

Ha. This is exactly my situation as well. That S9 kit is remarkably capable for being so tiny - it might even be smaller than the R50V +kit lens. The weakness is that small primes for L are basically the Sigma contemporary series or manual focus.

I’ve been playing around with my wife’s R50 (not the V), and my feeling is that the ‘tiny everyday carry’ status is pretty fragile - the lens doesn’t have to be very big at all before it stops being ‘tiny’ and is just ‘smaller’. My concern is that a 20-50/4 with IS and PZ isn’t going to be small enough - if it’s around the size of the 16-28 STM or the LUMIX 20-60 it’s probably too big - not unusable, but no longer ‘stick in your coat pocket’. Still, if it’s small enough then the 16, 28 and 50 primes along with the 20-50 might be a pretty interesting travel setup. (I’d probably throw in the EF-S 55-250 IS STM for emergency reach assuming a crop mode works ok)

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If Canon had a brightish stabilized wider-angle compact zoom for RF-S the R50V would have been perfect for my use case, but they don’t and I expect that rumored RF-S 15-70mm f/4 will be on the large size. Even if it isn’t, like you said it doesn’t take much to become “too big for coat pocket” and defeat the purpose of a slim body.

Canon Rumors said:

It's this or a Phase One kit. I'm tired of the good light dying so quickly in the evening, so I need the MS-510. Hummingbirds at night is endgame!

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Hummingbirds hibernate at night so if you can find them, you can take long exposures with the gear you have now

InternalRevenue said:

Interesting, I was just thinking about jumping on that $1400 LUMIX S9 kit since Canon had nothing equivalent; if the body and that RF 20-50mm are also nicely compact I might be holding off even if it’s $2000+

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Ha. This is exactly my situation as well. That S9 kit is remarkably capable for being so tiny - it might even be smaller than the R50V +kit lens. The weakness is that small primes for L are basically the Sigma contemporary series or manual focus.

I’ve been playing around with my wife’s R50 (not the V), and my feeling is that the ‘tiny everyday carry’ status is pretty fragile - the lens doesn’t have to be very big at all before it stops being ‘tiny’ and is just ‘smaller’. My concern is that a 20-50/4 with IS and PZ isn’t going to be small enough - if it’s around the size of the 16-28 STM or the LUMIX 20-60 it’s probably too big - not unusable, but no longer ‘stick in your coat pocket’. Still, if it’s small enough then the 16, 28 and 50 primes along with the 20-50 might be a pretty interesting travel setup. (I’d probably throw in the EF-S 55-250 IS STM for emergency reach assuming a crop mode works ok)

Interesting, I was just thinking about jumping on that $1400 LUMIX S9 kit since Canon had nothing equivalent; if the body and that RF 20-50mm are also nicely compact I might be holding off even if it’s $2000+

Martin868 said:

In the latest sales reports in Japan, canon does not have even one camera in the top ten. I am not sure what your numbers are, for what region and if they are units or $.

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The graphic is global market share (units) for 2024 (the latest year for which data are available; those reports come out in late summer / early fall for the prior year). Japan represents <7% of the global market, and it's really not a representative fraction based on composition.

I have no idea what 'latest sales reports in Japan' you are referring to. The most commonly used source for those, representing about 50% of retail sales in Japan, is BCN Retail. Here are their rankings for last week and the last full month (i.e., the real 'latest sales reports in Japan'). 'Canon does not have even one camera in the top ten'? Lol. No, they have two in the top five (including the number one spot, which the R10 has held for the entire past year).



So you doubled down on looking foolish, and now look like a complete ass. Well done. I'd suggest you admit you are wrong and stop there, but it's your choice. Next up, will you triple down and make yourself look like a complete moron?

Martin868 said:

In the latest sales reports in Japan, canon does not have even one camera in the top ten. I am not sure what your numbers are, for what region and if they are units or $.

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Market share

What are the real chances of a new PRO standard zoom lens?

- RF 24-70mm 2.8L (optics)
- RF 28-70mm 2.0L (size/weight)

Are a little old right now...

EDIT: Nikon just won Tipa World Awards 2026 with their new 24-70 2.8 II.

In the latest sales reports in Japan, canon does not have even one camera in the top ten. I am not sure what your numbers are, for what region and if they are units or $.

Mr. Warbucks said:

If the R7Ii gets an R6 body with cooling it will most probably grow weight. The birding set up requires low weight. The Rf100-400 is pretty light, but apenditure comprise at the long end.
If the price really would be around 2300$, would an OM1 mark II with their oly 100-400 lens not a better value proposition? Micro 4/3 gives crop factor 2. Is the lower MP an issue? The sensor is smaller, hence probably not? Probably same weight range, however a bit more expensive?

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I made exactly this evaluation when getting started in bird photography. The OM1 is a nice camera, but the M43 size advantage is undermined by the 100-400 lens being the same weight as the RF100-500. The R7 + RF 100-400 was substantially lighter *and* cheaper than the Olympus kit when I was comparing them - the Canon combo was only slightly more than the OM1 body and almost $1500 less when adding the lens. Furthermore, for birds pixel density is a better metric than crop factor since you're rarely 'filling the frame'. The OM1 and the R7 have basically identical pixel density, so in terms of 'pixels per duck' at equivalent focal length they're a wash. (that changes if you consider video though - crop factor will apply to video as it's typically full-width of the sensor)

The OM1 MkII does have better AF than the existing R7 (mostly in consistency rather than absolute capability). I think it's a working assumption that an R7II in line with these rumors will fix the AF weaknesses of the R7 and elevate it close to the R5II which is at least on par with the OM1. Of course, the rumored R7II seems like a mismatch with the RF 100-400 and pairing with the RF 100-500 will now likely end up being $1000-1500 more than the OM setup so the value question flips the other direction.

mimbu said:

Then we are talking about completely separate things. At least you're not QUITE as big a moron as I thought you were, you just can't write well.

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neuroanatomist said:

A 1x-1.4x switchable TC is NOT just a matter of 'adapting it into a separate teleconverter'.

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A 1.4x TC built into a lens does not have to be any different to a separate 1.4x TC added to a lens.

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No, we were talking about the same thing. You quoted my reply about a 1-1.4x switchable TC and stated, "... separate TC added to a lens". Your words. You were just confused, and are now trying to move the goalposts after being called out on your idiocy. Yet another fail. You should quit while you're behind, but you're probably too immature and weak to do so, therefore on this issue I won't bother replying to more of your asinine drivel.

Martin868 said:

Canon is falling behind and the successful brands are not successful by doing this kind of stuff.

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Do you realize how foolish stating something like that makes you look? This is Canon 'falling behind'.

blackcoffee17 said:

"F1 lenses are exotic products that a tiny number of users could benefit from"

They are also those kind of products that bring people into the system, even if those people will never buy them. Great for marketing.

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That is the theory behind those products. In practice I don't think that is working. Canon is falling behind and the successful brands are not successful by doing this kind of stuff. Sony is great because of a broader ecosystem, great cameras in different form factors many of which Canon do not produce, and Fuji have interesting JPEG processing and compact systems. Canon seems to always be doing the same old same old. I am invested in Canon RF but I see the gaps and Canon does not seem to move in the right directions.

The original leak on Twitter/X said "faster than 1.2" which doesn't necessarily mean f/1.0 or f/0.95. Could be f/1.1. Could be a lot of things, but f/1.1 is a third of a stop faster than f/1.2 so...

Anyway, Sigma was established in 1961 so 2026 is their 65th anniversary. So, 65mm.

I'm guessing they'll probably try to outdo Nikon and release a 65/0.95 that is also AF and doesn't cost nearly $9000. Wonder if they'll call it a Noct just to rub some salt in.