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m4ndr4ke · Oct 18, 2025

archie said:
I'm new here but Canon's press release said $2,499, 2.499 €. If you bought a particular lens with it, the total WAS $2,799.

Never 2499€. Even the original R6 was released at 2849€, and I know that very well because I waited for months for the first discounts.
I have an invoice of 2649€, early in 2021, for body only, after said discount.

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Here you can see that it cost 2799€ in Spain, where VAT is a little lower than here in Portugal.

The R6 Mark II, if I remember correctly, was released at 3049€ body only.

EOS 4 Life · Oct 18, 2025

Michael Clark said:
But you are comparing it to the possible launch price of another camera.

The point of my comparison was to contemplate how cheap Canon could make another camera sharing some of the same parts.
There is a precedent with the 1DX III and R6.

josephandrews222 · Oct 18, 2025

AlanF said:
Just downloaded the new Topaz Photo to try out the Wonder mode. But, it was going to take 107 minutes to process the first image from RAW and the same for a jpeg on my MacBook Air, which is the latest model. How long did it take on your computer?

(I also own a perpetual licence for Photo AI, and have got a complimentary to the new Topaz Photo, but in future it will be on subscription).

After selecting Wonder, this window (minus the red rectangle) appeared:

For this particular fix, the total time (after clicking Process in cloud) was about 90 seconds (including upload, processing and download).

I've had some other decent results with the various Topaz products, but admit that the product is no panacea.

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Were you 'offered' the choices of cloud processing or processing on computer (...in the Wonder BETA window)?

I have not read any of the recent promotional material regarding Topaz Photo and Topaz Photo AI, and admit to a certain confusion about these 'two' products (pricing and subscription terms etc)...but will try to respond in full to the responses in this thread.

Bob Howland · Oct 17, 2025

David - Sydney said:
The physical RF mount hasn't been an impediment for new lenses for either manual or EF auto focus protocols. 3rd party EF lenses still had some issues with compatibility over time.

The RF protocols are a different issue. They may be under patent but the implementation won't be disclosed.
It is simple to encrypt the protocols so reverse engineering can't be done. Combining lens IS and IBIS is not a simple implementation.
Sigma and Tamron are playing a long game and will license with Canon's permission. There is no indication that this strategy will change.
The Chinese lens manufacturers are a different story.

Wouldn't Canon have to disclose the RF implementation to Sigma for Sigma to make fully compatible APS-C lenses?

Mikehit · Oct 17, 2025

The EF 300mm f2.8 was a superb option for wildlife - relatively compact with the chance of using teleconverters to give up to 600mm f5.6.
The only RF option is the 100-300 f2.8 which is heavy and damned expensive. Are there any murmurs of Canon making more RF tele-primes or is it all high quality zoom now?

archie · Oct 17, 2025

Exploreshootshare said:
Nope, not more money. If 2.899 € (or 2900 €) is true the RRP is identical with the RRP of the mkii. How do people not get that? It has been pointed out several times now.

I'm new here but Canon's press release said $2,499, 2.499 €. If you bought a particular lens with it, the total WAS $2,799.

Walrus · Oct 17, 2025

Chig said:
CF Express cards are so cheap now you can easily keep a few spare ones in your bag though, also if it had a CF Express slot it would also have an SD card slot as Canon aren't going to give it dual CF slots so no downsides

I'm not having ANY camera with dual slots with different card shape, either is double SD or is double CFE; there's no way I'm buying and bringing around different cards.

Click · Oct 17, 2025

Lovely shots, Alan.

AlanF · Oct 17, 2025

A newly arrived Stonechat and a much closer Pied (white) Wagtail today. I really do like the 200-800 for shooting small birds. The Stonechat was 25m away. It's been a terrible few months for birds here and hopefully we will get some immigrants now.

nwardrip · Oct 17, 2025

Spacey69 said:
I’m very curious to know what the fix is so Canon can acknowledge the problem that plagued all of us Canon flash users these many years.

Poorly written firmware (error handling)

rombe3jr · Oct 17, 2025

R6 III specs that I want:

Passive venting
C-Log 2
Improved IBIS
Tally light
Shutter angle setting
Full size HDMI port
Pricing at or under $2,700 USD

Things I don't care about as much (but they would be nice):

Higher pixel count
Higher dynamic range (certainly not a decrease though)
False color
Brighter LCD
Improved sensor speed
CF Express B
Open gate

I understand we probably will get less than what I want at a price higher than I am comfortable paying. Expectation readjustment likely to commence on November 6th.

m4ndr4ke · Oct 17, 2025

Michael Clark said:
And by the way, Canon's FF sensors are an honest 36mm x 24mm while most of Sony's & Nikon's are actually 35.9mm x 23.9mm. That's a 7% difference in area! Where's your crying over that?

Maybe we should check Sony alpha rumors and Nikon rumors

Michael Clark said:
In terms of image quality, my EF 50mm f/1.4 is no better than the EF 50mm f/1.8 II that preceded it at f/2 and beyond. At f/1.8 the 1.4 is *slightly* sharper.

I briefly had the EF 50mm f/1.8 II, then the STM version, and later the 1.4. The reason I got the 1.4 was because the 1.8 had such low resistance to specular highlights in the background it annoyed me.

A few years later I finally upgraded to the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art and never looked back.

Currently, I no longer own any EF lens. Truth is, after I got the 28-70mm f/2, I can barely find the need for a prime lens in that range, at least for work. I "want" a good 50, and now there's the VCM, but I'm yet to really feel the need.

Spacey69 · Oct 17, 2025

Klendothir said:
I did some tests with an ST-E10 + EL-5. It seems to work flawlessly. Both even reconnect automatically after waking up from sleep mode. It looks like Canon finally solved the issue...

I’m very curious to know what the fix is so Canon can acknowledge the problem that plagued all of us Canon flash users these many years.

roby17269 · Oct 17, 2025

Michael Clark said:
You're blaming ISO for poor performance when the real issue is lack of light, and what little light there is being of very poor quality.

I am blaming ISO?!? what are you talking about?
I just said that for my taste I use AI NR over ISO 800 especially if the light is not ideal.
If you like noise grain that's your preference. I don't unless there's a specific reason to have it.

m4ndr4ke · Oct 17, 2025

koenkooi said:
The original R5 had a firmware update where Canon admitted that IBIS would always rotate the sensor when taking a picture, in anticipation of people rotating the camera when mashing the shutter button.

That was not it. It was purely a bug, not a feature. The R6 had the same issue.
The camera would rotate the sensor exclusively when taking a photograph after waking up from sleep. The first time we hit the shutter button, it would do that. If the camera didn't enter sleep, it wouldn't happen.

koenkooi said:
1/160s on a 28mm lens with electronic shutter shouldn't be an issue for an R5II, but it seems to be.

What about using EFCS or MS?

Exploreshootshare said:
Yeah, but if you're using a lens without IS, one could not turn it IBIS off.

You can.
It is when you're using a lens with IS that the option is unavailable in the menu, and stabilisation is entirely controlled by the switch on the lens.

Exploreshootshare · Oct 17, 2025

Mekos said:
So: 34.2mp, €2900, the same LCD mechanism... More pixels, more money, same LCD mechanism, not much above my R6II...

Nope, not more money. If 2.899 € (or 2900 €) is true the RRP is identical with the RRP of the mkii. How do people not get that? It has been pointed out several times now.

Exploreshootshare · Oct 17, 2025

Nazuxela said:
I think you can, but only if you disable the one on the lense.
They only work together.

Yeah, but if you're using a lens without IS, one could not turn it IBIS off.
I think it is in the menu, but I´d to go and check.

P-visie · Oct 17, 2025

David - Sydney said:
The RF protocols are a different issue. They may be under patent but the implementation won't be disclosed.
It is simple to encrypt the protocols so reverse engineering can't be done. Combining lens IS and IBIS is not a simple implementation.

And all the other functions that need information about the lens characteristics, e.g. lens aberration corrections and corrections for lens breathing for video.

koenkooi · Oct 17, 2025

GMCPhotographics said:
Actually, after handling a years worth of files from both cameras, I’ve found the files from the R8 slightly sharper than those from the R6II. This I suspect is due to the lack of IBIS, which gives it a slight edge. It’s not revolutionary, but they are slightly crisper, drier and less “wet” looking.
That said, I’ve never found the files from the R6II disappointing.
In a direct comparison with the R5 images, it’s surprising how much detail the R6ii’s sensor can capture. I’ve not done a R8 vs R5 comparison unfortunately. I think it would be surprising.

With unstabilized prime lenses (RF28, 50STM, 50VCM) I tend to get better results with the R8 than with my R5II when doing candids around the house. With other styles of photography and/or stabilized lenses, the R5II is significantly better.
The original R5 had a firmware update where Canon admitted that IBIS would always rotate the sensor when taking a picture, in anticipation of people rotating the camera when mashing the shutter button. So if you didn't mash the shutter, you'd still get motion blur! That firmware update alleviated that issue, but I'm not convinced it was totally fixed. 1/160s on a 28mm lens with electronic shutter shouldn't be an issue for an R5II, but it seems to be. I had always assumed it was an issue with how I hold the camera, but the R8 showed that that's not the complete truth

When IBIS is not detrimental, the R5II wins, easily.

Michael Clark · Oct 17, 2025

mimbu said:
It's always been a problem, and Canon has never addressed it. Canon isn't big on admitting mistakes.

How is offering consumers more choices a problem?

Some folks prefer 1.5X APS-C sensors. There are plenty on the market.
Some folks prefer 1.6X APS-C sensors. Canon offers those.

Pick whichever you want.
Be happy with what you choose for yourself.
There's no need for you to insist you get to choose for everyone else, just as there's no need for anyone else to tell you what to choose.

You don't have to insist that your choice is the only correct choice for everyone. Not everyone has the same preferences as you and not everyone uses cameras and lenses in the same way that you do.

GMCPhotographics · Oct 17, 2025

blackcoffee17 said:
I still don't understand why there is no option to disable IBIS on these cameras...

Yes, it's certainly an oversight by Canon's engineers. Simple mode options like "All off", Lens IS, Sensor IS and Hybrid IS can't be that hard to engineer / code?

On a similar note, Canon could easily remove the mechanical shutter from the R6iii by simply taking away it's option in the menu. Leaving just the 1st curtain shutter and the EC. However, lt makes more sense with a camera like the R3 and R5ii with their stacked sensor to remove the mechanical shutter on those cameras first.

Michael Clark · Oct 17, 2025

mimbu said:
Indeed, but since there is only one camera in a given price bracket, everyone gets stuck with the same trade-offs. I'm not a fan of trading off image quality & low light performance in the name of faster readout speeds. There are plenty of other cameras on the market that already have faster readouts.

Thus: "You pay your money and you make your choice."

There are far more than one camera in each price bracket. All of the major manufacturers offer their own camera in pretty much each price bracket. Sometimes each manufacturer offers more than one.

It isn't that hard to understand. No one is forcing anyone to buy from a specific manufacturer. Yet you seem to want to force every camera maker to design all of their products for only your needs and none to make cameras that are better suited to other use cases?

Mekos · Oct 17, 2025

So: 34.2mp, €2900, the same LCD mechanism... More pixels, more money, same LCD mechanism, not much above my R6II... I'll keep it till a "new" R6IV. And still hoping for a politics change towards 3rd party AF lenses!!! That's why after 47 years of a Canon maniac I bought last month a Fujifilm X-E5 ! What a camera for a pocket and amazing playing in street photography, and not only! And lenses from "everywhere" (including my EF and... FD lenses!!!). Come on Canon...

AlanF · Oct 17, 2025

josephandrews222 said:
A bit of background: 99% of my shooting is jpeg only.

A bit more background: DxO and other 'tricks' used by experts who post here? I have zero experience with DxO etc.

I do own Topaz Photo, the Topaz folks offer regular updates.

I suspect Topaz Photo offers more than I know how to use.

But here is my latest effort:

R5MkII & 200-800 @ 800; not much light [6:07pm CDT image acquired/sunset on what was a clear day 6:18pm]; ISO 12800; wide open at f9.5; 1/250s; cropped jpeg straight from camera--

View attachment 226512

...the latest version of Topaz Photo has a one-step one-click fix-up that is still in beta form. Topaz refers to it as 'Wonder', I think.

The above image after the one-click 'Wonder':

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...with no snark intended, I'm certain the pixel-peepers can criticize the Wonder treatment--no doubt with good reason.

But I am amazed.

ISO 12800.

My pair of Tufted Titmice never looked so good (sort of).

Oh my.

Comments and suggestions more than welcome.

Thanks for reading.

Just downloaded the new Topaz Photo to try out the Wonder mode. But, it was going to take 107 minutes to process the first image from RAW and the same for a jpeg on my MacBook Air, which is the latest model. How long did it take on your computer?

(I also own a perpetual licence for Photo AI, and have got a complimentary to the new Topaz Photo, but in future it will be on subscription).

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