Marsu42 said:
jrista said:
The output in lightroom will be all about how LIGHTROOM processes the data. [...] Run the same experiment with DPP...you will get obviously different results compared to the Lightroom test
LR only has camera
emulation modes (see "camera calibration, last item in Develop module) and doesn't claim to do 1:1 identical output to each and every camera - but looking at my 6d and 60d the results happen to be pretty close to each other.
As this camera calibration has such a vast impact on the look of the raw conversion, it's all about personal taste anyway unless you shoot with a color card to get a dng profile, "neutral" might con people into thinking it's "unprocessed" or "real".
Aye, LR/ACR are incapable of exactly reproducing the picture styles of the camera. That was entirely my point...that when you see "out of 'camera' color" in a photo you have loaded in Lightroom, your not seeing what the camera rendered...your seeing what
Lightroom rendered instead. Similarly, even DPP will not produce exactly the same color as Canon's own cameras, as the curves are not 100% identical, nor is the precision of the hardware executing the algorithm identical.
What you get out of the camera as a JPEG is mostly the result of in-camera algorithms and tone curves that process the RAW data coming off the sensor. Compression algorithms affect the IQ, the color, the quality. Trying to exactly match the literal Out-Of-Camera JPEG with RAW would be difficult and time consuming.
Sure, there is a natural response of the silicon to light, and there are slight differences in the actual RAW ADU coming off the sensor due to differences in CFA. But the significance of those differences pales in comparison to the algorithms that convert those RAW pixel values into full color RGB values in an actual image rendered to a screen.
I am actually amazed at how neutral Samsung NX1 data seems to be when it's rendered (by anything, LR or Samsung's own RAW Converter software). It's the only camera I know of that renders blacks as deeply and purely without any visible color cast:
Even the Nikon D7200 and A7II both have some color cast, and the 6D has a lot of color cast. The NX1 doesn't have the lowest noise, but man, I would take that totally neutral color and super deep, rich blacks any day over all the rest.

I don't know how they did that, but it's a pretty amazing feat if you ask me.