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RAW images have no concept of white balance or black point, the RAW converter has to make choices for that.
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How do you compare two photos meaningfully when the exposure is different? The answer is you don't. Which begets the question, why is DPR doing just that, and drawing conclusions based on such a comparison?
Kinda like when Simon/OF compared total camera sales from 2022 with mirrorless camera sales from 2023 and concluded that Canon's market share had tanked. The denominator is different, the comparison is not valid. Doesn't stop people from doing it, and it doesn't stop other v/bloggers from piling on and reposting the same misinformation. But again, you have to consider the motivation for all these sites, including DPR – it's not to disseminate correct information, it's to garner click-driven revenue. Some are more ethical about that than others.
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Let me explain what I said.
The pictures presented on web pages have a white balance applied to them for the purposess of converting them to something we can see. Not only are the exposures of the photos different, the white balance used in creating the picture for the web is also different. If they've used the same white balance then their process is fucked because the colors in the photos are way off.
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Yes, that’s why one should download and compare the RAW files themselves, using their preferred workflow.
The website itself is more of a gimmick if you want to actually compare cameras.
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It all depends on what you're photographing and how. Someone should do a real test of global shutter vs fast readout by taking photos of plane propellers in action. Because we all take pictures of plane propellers, right? Just like we all take pictures of insect wings, right?
Global shutter for video is huge because now the shutter speed doesn't constrain the speed of things in frame.
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I wonder how often people push images 6 stops? DPR started performing comparisons at +6 EV only after Canon sensors started delivering equivalent DR performance as Sony sensors at low ISO, so DPR pivoted from DR to exposure latitude.
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Regarding the DPR test images. I personally wouldn’t read too much into them. I’ll wait for a more scientific testing method.
Worth noting: I believe most modern sensors have lower sensitivity in their blue channel. So although the white balance of a ‘Raw’ image can be easily changed, a darker exposure with a tungsten balanced light source could potentially lead to more noise when doing more extreme shadow recoveries. Not something I have bothered testing myself, but perhaps worth considering.
Worth noting: I believe most modern sensors have lower sensitivity in their blue channel. So although the white balance of a ‘Raw’ image can be easily changed, a darker exposure with a tungsten balanced light source could potentially lead to more noise when doing more extreme shadow recoveries. Not something I have bothered testing myself, but perhaps worth considering.
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I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry when I read threads like this (and unfortunately most photo forum threads and YouTube influencer videos). The hand-wringing and anxiety that is caused by focusing in on camera test results and minutiae that will essentially be meaningless once actual photos are taken borders on the ridiculous, in my opinion, of course. 1/2 or 1 stop differences in DR, pixel peeping searches for noise comparisons, photos taken underexposed 5 or 6 stops...all scrutinized and debated as if those things actually - in real life - make a camera better or worse. Or more importantly, make a photo taken with that camera better or worse. My advice...don't be a pixel peeping gear head, depending on test results done by internet influencers or websites. It will take all the fun out of photography, and won't make for better photographs. Isn't that, after all, the goal?
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For patterned insects, especially shiny ones, I have to push shadows a lot in post or use a comically large diffuser and flash during capture.
That’s 3-4EV most of the times, so not the full +6EV DPR does, but large enough to get called a fake photographer that should learn to expose better on the internet
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The price of the R3 keeps dropping.
I would keep track of it on the used and refurbished market.
A lof of folks are trading an R3 for an R5 II or R1.
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They do not come out and say it but the R5 II comes out ahead with the mechanical shutter even in their test.
The Z 8 does not have one.
The R5 was already better so that would not be a reason to upgrade.
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Where have you read that?
I can't believe that Canon would ever state such a thing even if it does turn out to be true.
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It has 8K 60 RAW.
It may not be convenient but it can achieve the same thing.
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I mean, even for me 6 stops would be a heck of a lot. I find the most common spot where I end up with larger pushes is photographing glaciers against black mountains from the air where you can't really do more than one exposure, but you can double process and blend the two versions together. I often have to under expose to preserve the tonal differences in light on the ice, which just means when I process for the black rocks, they may pick up some noise in the details. Even then though, 6 stops would be pretty bad, and likely require some much more aggressive noise reduction for the dark areas specifically.
With all that said, I did download the raw files from DPR and you're right, there's a pretty significant difference in the amount of light getting to the sensor for each camera. Not exactly a scientific comparison.
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Well I neither implied nor stated that I read "Canon" made such remarks so I'm unsure how you inferred such. You are correct though, Canon would not make such remarks about a current product. No competent company would. What I've read is reviews and comments by those invited to preview the R52 and others who are smart about gear. Pure opinion but based on reality. The R5c came about presumably because of the R5's overheating. The R52 has vents and an available cooling fan, making it a true hybrid for those looking for that. The R5c is really a cine camera that can take stills. Canon might keep the form factor, but rebrand it to avoid any confusion of it being a hybrid camera.
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