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False. The belief is rational and founded. Otherwise optical corrections such as adaptive optics used in astronomy or microscopy would never be necessary. Whether it's "differentially more" for Canon's lenses is subject to debate per-lens, no matter how often you say it isn't. It's not a given that they are always as good as they could be optically, you simply can't know because you haven't seen an equivalent, optically corrected version of the same RF lens. Only old EF lenses. Maybe Canon has some (expensive) optically perfect RF lenses in their labs.
Perhaps you misread what I stated, which was that increased noise from vignetting correction and loss of sharpness from distortion correction apply to ALL lenses (unless there is no need for those corrections in the first place, which would only apply to theoretically perfect lenses that don't exist). That's not false, that's fact.

This is pretty simple. All real lenses have some optical aberrations, practical considerations ensure that is the case. My Zeiss microscope objectives costing far more than the R1 still need significant flat field correction for tiling images (i.e., they have vignetting). At issue is the degree of correction required, and that is inherent to the design of the lens.

Many UWA zooms in older mounts have severe distortion. The EF 11-24/4L has >7% barrel distortion at 11mm – it fills the frame without correction, but barely. The RF 14-35/4 has a bit over 10% barrel distortion at 14mm, IIRC, and it doesn't quite fill the frame. Both of them 'need' correction, and the effect of the correction is the same, loss of corner sharpness.

Mirrorless lenses (not just Canon's RF) leverage the fact that the only way to view the output is digitally to enable the manufacturers to make design tradeoffs allowing aberrations of greater magnitude, but qualitatively they are the same. The RF 15-35/2.8 has relatively little distortion (around 1%) but strong vignetting (5 stops), whereas the RF 14-35/4 has far more barrel distortion but only about 2.5 stops of vignetting.

I concede though that for some of Canon's lenses it truly doesn't matter in general use, and that the price/weight/size tradeoffs probably make sense for most people.
I'd argue that it doesn't matter for any of the lenses in general use. Except in some people's minds.

So it's in fact not optically corrected as it still has vignetting. Optical correction would result in less vignetting optically (by making the lens larger). I concede that this very likely increases price/weight/size - but not necessarily depending on design process.
Again, but by that logic there is no such thing as an optically corrected lens, except the aforementioned theoretical ones. But the point was that the EF 35/1.4L II does not force correction of distortion, but it still has the same amount of vignetting as the RF 35/1.4 that does force those corrections. The 5 stops of the RF 15-35/2.8 illustrate that concept even more effectively.

False. There is no reason why smearing would need to occur. You can correct distortion in a variety of ways optically. Neither loss of resolution nor smearing is absolutely necessary.
The context here is wide angle, rectilinear lenses. Show me one of those that doesn't have at least some residual distortion. Theoretical lenses need not apply. Sure, a lens design where there is no distortion to correct (e.g. not-too-fast short telephoto lens, or a zoom lens at the transition from barrel to pincushion assuming no mustache distortion is present) are not going to 'smear' because there's nothing to correct.

True only for RF vs EF. You can't really know because you don't have equivalent optically corrected RF lenses for comparison. Personally I think it's like that because Canon's design targets for RF are to be "at least as good" in the corners as the old EF lenses were, and they can achieve that digitally so they do.
Agree that no direct single lens comparison is possible. But looking across the range of EF and RF lenses, the gestalt conclusion is that they're the equivalent. The digitally corrected lenses don't have consistently better or worse corner sharpness than the lenses not requiring correction.

True. But it's not a given that it's always equivalent. It can be better or worse depending on what you compare it to.
Those who decry forced correction of distortion claim that it is inherently worse. My point is that it is not.
 
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Generally speaking, yes, similar levels of vignetting will result in similar degradation, therefore this should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.
But for geometric distortion, there is a difference depending on if the lens' image circle fully or partially covers the sensor. In both cases you end up with a stretched 24 or 45 (say) mp image, but with the former you start with 24 or 45mp worth of data, while with the latter you start with less data than that, so you typically have to stretch more.
Again, not likely to be a visible difference for all matters and purposes.

Mint choc chip?!? Ewww :sick: I was mostly with you till this heretical assertion :ROFLMAO:
Mint choc chip? Fior di latte, prego!
 
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The gelato is delicious, but my kids absolutely LOVE the Flauti Stracciatella (aka Italian Twinkies, and apologies for that) that we had in Venice.
No worries but that's not gelato :ROFLMAO:
I admit I'm not familiar with that one, it must be a relatively recent introduction (I travel to Italy regularly to see my family, but I haven't been living there since 2003)
Anything with white cream and choc chips is called stracciatella in Italy :D
 
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No worries but that's not gelato :ROFLMAO:
I admit I'm not familiar with that one, it must be a relatively recent introduction (I travel to Italy regularly to see my family, but I haven't been living there since 2003)
Anything with white cream and choc chips is called stracciatella in Italy :D
They’re Mulino Bianco, which I think is a pretty old brand. But they’re regional. Our first stop in Italy was Venice, and after the kids devoured a couple of bags of them I told them to take a break and we’d get more on Sicily or in Rome.

Plenty of Mulino Bianco baked goods in the rest of Italy…but no Flauti Stracciatella anywhere except Venice. I remember this well because my kids won’t let me forget it.

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They’re Mulino Bianco, which I think is a pretty old brand. But they’re regional. Our first stop in Italy was Venice, and after the kids devoured a couple of bags of them I told them to take a break and we’d get more on Sicily or in Rome.

Plenty of Mulino Bianco baked goods in the rest of Italy…but no Flauti Stracciatella anywhere except Venice. I remember this well because my kids won’t let me forget it.

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Yes, Mulino Bianco (The White Mill) is a classic brand that has been around for decades, since before I was a kid myself. They've made hundreds of different products throughout the years... I may very well have missed this one. I hope your kids found something else to distract them from the terrible injustice they've been subjected to :ROFLMAO:
 
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I was in Thailand years ago on a beautiful little island. But in one corner there was a durian confectionery factory... you could not get close to it due to the stench :sick:
I guess I could get very close, attracted by the :love: sweet delicious perfume!
Yet, I can understand why so many find durians disgusting...
Best exotic fruit for me. Even better than mangoes.
 
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Yes, Mulino Bianco (The White Mill) is a classic brand that has been around for decades, since before I was a kid myself. They've made hundreds of different products throughout the years... I may very well have missed this one. I hope your kids found something else to distract them from the terrible injustice they've been subjected to :ROFLMAO:
Mulino Bianco products would be sooo much better if, instead of cheap margarine, they used butter...
 
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