Canon EOS R6 Mark III & RF 45 F1.2 STM November 6

This R6 Mark III forum is by far the most popular on Canon Rumors. Well over 500 comments and climbing each day.
I may be wrong but I think that CR previously didn't use one forum thread for all related articles. I'm not saying it's wrong, just saying that that can be the reason why this one got the most comments whereas previously it was spread among more articles (?)
 
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There's probably an argument that the R8 also exists to placate those who used to buy the x0D series as well. Maybe it does double duty?
For those using the xxD series, there's the R10, I had one for months, took a wedding with it, it's a war machine, has a joystick, AF is lightning fast and handles like a mini R6; I sold it for the RP as the latter, at VERY high ISO, still has a small advantage due to the FF sensor (and surely R8 is even better), so for my line of work RP/R8 it's a better backup body, even if all the other functions (for RP) are inferior to to R10's.
If I wouldn't shoot over 1600iso and/or don't need ultrawideangles, I don't see why buying a R8 over a R10 that cost nearly half of it.
 
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while it won't be tack sharp corner to corner wide open as the 40 Art, it needs to be at least better then the 50 Art at f1.4
Hmm I'm somewhat hoping this 45mm is similar to the 50 Art wide open, but I doubt it'll be better at all. It would be great if I were surprised, though.
Camera bodies are overrated, lenses are 10 times more important
To be honest, I think the transition to mirrorless changed that balance a little. The fact that EF lenses perform much better when adapted to mirrorless cameras is an example of the higher importance camera bodies have now.
hot and sharp) EF 70-200 2.8 L classic (non-IS).
Lucky you. My copy of that lens was crap :confused:
I even sent it to repair once, but it didn't make much of a difference, it just improved slightly. Beyond 100mm mine was crap, unless I shot it at like f/11. I could get better detail by cropping from 70mm to 200mm on the 24-70mm f/2.8 II (yes, I really tested that).
Today if wideangle is really needed I have the 16 STM, small and inexpensive, but it's too wide, even a fixed 18/20mm prime would be enough for me, in Canon there's nothing cheap (20 VCM is overkill and overprice, it's a lens that would shoot no more then 50/100 pics per year, so 300/350€ is the max I would invest in it)
Similar scenario here. A few weeks ago I ran statistics of all my photographs from the last year or so, and the 16mm accounted for approximately 5% of the shots (5 point something).
By the way, I tried the 20 VCM last month, and I LOVED it. I had never tried something between 16 and 24, as I never had an ultra wide zoom lens for full-frame. I found 20mm so easy to use, I just felt it fits perfectly next to the 28mm wider end of the zoom, but I have no justification for such purchase.
I also have, at the moment, the 16-28mm f/2.8 available here for 943€, brand new, and it's tempting, but it still feels like too much money for such few shots.
I think I'd buy an RF 20mm f/2.8, if Canon made such a lens. The 16 sometimes is too wide, although I can usually manage.

Is there a reason why the R6 series does not have the rubber grip material on the front left of the body? As a far as I know the R6 series is the only one missing it.
Is it? I had no idea:LOL:
 
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Good catch! But honestly I don't see anything interesting on that camera, except that it really seems to be a new one.

But it would be interesting, which white lens is attached to that 2x extender ;)
Could this be a new one? Or is it an already released one?
To be fair, the R6 II specs looked pretty boring compared to the original R6 but the camera was much better in every department.
 
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To be honest, I think the transition to mirrorless changed that balance a little. The fact that EF lenses perform much better when adapted to mirrorless cameras is an example of the higher importance camera bodies have now.

Lucky you. My copy of that lens was crap :confused:
I even sent it to repair once, but it didn't make much of a difference, it just improved slightly. Beyond 100mm mine was crap, unless I shot it at like f/11. I could get better detail by cropping from 70mm to 200mm on the 24-70mm f/2.8 II (yes, I really tested that).
For camera bodies, in fact, if you remember in the following paragraph I stated that the gimmicks on AF are surely the most important of the gimmicks :)

I remember you had problems with the 70-200 L classic, I showed in the past a sample from mine here https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...meras-lenses-update.44469/page-2#post-1024667 shot wide open handheld 1/160s (so slightly below security shutter) @200mm and even at 800iso the focus plane was crisp, I was really lucky with that lens, and that's why I have it since almost 20 years, while the average lens stay in my bag is around 2/3yrs
 
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I remember you had problems with the 70-200 L classic, I showed in the past a sample from mine here https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/t...meras-lenses-update.44469/page-2#post-1024667 shot wide open handheld 1/160s (so slightly below security shutter) @200mm and even at 800iso the focus plane was crisp, I was really lucky with that lens, and that's why I have it since almost 20 years, while the average lens stay in my bag is around 2/3yrs
YES, that! Looking back, perhaps I was a little optimistic. I don't think my copy of the lens was as sharp as I mentioned there :ROFLMAO:
I don't miss it at all, I sold it almost three years ago, had the Tamron 70-200mm f/2.8 G2 for a year, and then I finally bought the RF 70-200mm f/2.8.

The Tamron had decent glass and autofocus, but the build quality was not on par with Sigma Art lenses. My copy of the lens was less than three years old, I bought it from an amateur, and the lens looked worse than my 50 Art that had over 5 years in the hands of a wedding photographer. At first I though it was due to poor handling from the previous owner, but then I realised it was the lens really, I'd rub my hands and its letterings would come off:LOL: Yes, that easily! Also, the matte finished plastics didn't age well.
Plus, the glass didn't have any "special rendering" like Sigma lenses do so, when comparing third party versus third party, the Tamron lens always felt a little lower grade. I used it for a year, sold it for 20€ less than I'd bought it for, and never looked back at Tamron.

For camera bodies, in fact, if you remember in the following paragraph I stated that the gimmicks on AF are surely the most important of the gimmicks :)
The thing is, I feel like the ratio of usable photos has increased massively with the mirrorless transition. Sure, glass is still more important, but now we're getting consistency levels that were unimaginable with DSLRs. You aim, you initiate focus, and you know you'll have something.

Not only that, but the ratio of photographs that are actually 100% in focus (not just "good enough to be usable") also increased significantly. How many of us used to stop down to have enough room to keep subjects in focus while recomposing or focusing continuously? Now we're tracking moving subjects continuously at f/1.2, f/1.4, f/2, and we still get files that are good enough for cropping, if we later decide to do so, because they're perfectly focused.
Also, now we're relying more on camera bodies for distortion corrections, we have stupidly high usable ISOs...
I think more credit goes to camera bodies now than it ever did in the past. These days, you may consider not buying the faster glass because you'll just crank up ISO in your camera and do the work that way.
 
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If only c50 could have IBIS I believe that would a different story! Now this is a c50 without fan but with IBIS! I know you can't have it all with Canon but at least that is something..!
With the GH5S Panasonic made the same no-IBIS decision, because that's what videographers wanted.

 
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They are (pics where screen grabs, not even exports, to show lens used), it's just I don't have any medium/long distance shots, because I only used the combination indoor for closeup art nudes details, so the DoF is always razor thin, and it's not easy to show you examples because I have to censor the parts that are actually in focus.
I guess the following belly button, that I can post full size (hope it opens that way when you click and then zoom) and with no censor, show how sharp it felt (it's f11 in this instance), on the very thin focus plane you can see single body hairs, and the texture of the skin

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This instead is the EF 70-200 f2.8 L classic (non-IS) with the same EF2.0 II extender, again at f11

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At f/11 most lenses are sharp unless diffraction has already started to have a noticeable effect. I'd say the biggest difference in "sharpness" between the first and second example above is more due to the amount of light in the scene than anything else. That, and the area of sharpest focus in the second image is in the darker foreground area rather than the most brightly illuminated parts of your subject. The sharpest part of the fabric is definitely right at the foreground terminator line between shadow and light.
 
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Hello! My thinking is this:

At the advent of the R6 / R5 there was no other R camera beyond the R and RP. RP clearly is a 6D2 successor, but I felt that the mantle moved to the R6 when it arrived and the RP simply... remained. So, in my mind, when July 9, 2020 came around the R6 was the natural successor because it had the number 6 and was priced below the R5. It cost more, yes, but so did everything Canon released around that time.

Fast forward to 2025 and I'd agree with your thinking -- or, at least, I wouldn't disagree in many conversation spaces. There's probably an argument that the R8 also exists to placate those who used to buy the x0D series as well. Maybe it does double duty?

Having owned the 80D (well, it was my wife's and now my son's), I felt it was a fun, geeky, and relatively affordable alternative to the much more expensive full frames: it gave the "feel" of an "upscale camera" as seen in the hands of the well-heeled out on holiday, like that stranger who steps onto a float plane in Alaska with their 5Dx amidst the sea of people clutching their Best Buy bodies. Canon kind of lost that feel with the R transition, I think, although cameras like the R8 are probably their attempt to at least slot in a price equivalent. I don't think the R8 spiritually captures what was happening, but it sits at a good price point in the catalog. They'd do well, I feel, to make a mini R5 body in crop form and re-introduce the X0D series as an X0R line -- and that's where the new video functionality they've been pushing for the new gen would fit very, very comfortably for people like my kiddo and his friends. But I agree, it also fills that 6D character as well -- competent, trade-offs, but serves. Someone mentioned earlier here that the R6 is kind of the 5D of yesteryear and the R5 is something new (or maybe the new 5DS/R?), in which case the R8 is now definitely the 6D equivalent.

I'll say this, though, because it's probably not obvious from my limited chatter here: I've had the privilege since 2005 to use a multitude of Canon's digital bodies -- either through ownership or via family and friends. I think they're all great for their time and serve a need or scratch an itch in one way or the other. They all take great photos when used well. I wouldn't turn down the chance to play with any! 600mm of big glass on a Rebel is so much fun, especially if you bring it along with a pal and pretend it's your serious body for the day. :p (And the memories it captures today are just as good as when it first hit my bag.)

And yes, the R6 captured a special place in my heart. Like the Rebel and my Mac 512ke, I'll probably never part with it even though I eventually will move forward with the times.
Feelings and numbering aside, in the DSLR era we had 3 FF bodies families (6D, 5D and 1D), now we seem to have 5 (R8, R6, R5, R3 and R1)
The transition was not 1 to 1 with the R and RP bridging the gap, and based on sensor I think initially Canon was considering replicating the same 3 EF families in the R system.
Also, we don't know if the R3 will be a one-off or not.

I guess for me it's clear that the R8 is a continuation of the 6D as the entry-level, low-cost FF camera, while the R6 seems to straddle between the lower tier and the R5 and thus it's a new family.

Not that it matters much ;) Only Canon knows for sure.
As long as a camera fulfills its purpose and gives you joy, that's all that matters to someone like me. The R5 and the H5X do that for me. Now lenses, that's anther topic :cry:
 
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Feelings and numbering aside, in the DSLR era we had 3 FF bodies families (6D, 5D and 1D), now we seem to have 5 (R8, R6, R5, R3 and R1)
The transition was not 1 to 1 with the R and RP bridging the gap, and based on sensor I think initially Canon was considering replicating the same 3 EF families in the R system.
Also, we don't know if the R3 will be a one-off or not.
We won't know when Canon will sunset the RP. It also may be a one-off or remain the bridge from xxD or even XXXD to RF even though it is full frame vs APS-C for the others.
When the R8 is a 60% premium from B&H and the R10 a 10% premium to the RP's USD900 then it still has a strong presence for the lower end bodies.

Canon will need something to move the remaining DLSR xxxxD and xxxD to RF and the R10 isn't that model at this time.
 
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Over 600 comments on the Canon R6 III. Astonishing attention while the R6 II still remains one of its best sellers. Canon's strategy is brilliant. They keep moving forward with hybrid features, which means adding video specs in addition to photography features like more megapixels, while keeping the sensor fast and still maintaining image quality. Sony has segmented itself out, only delivering high megapixels in the A7iv and even higher in the A7RV, while letting those sensors get way too slow in 2025. Canon has delivered, honestly 3 years ago with the R6 iii, not getting too ambitious with megapixel count, only now in the R6 iii will they deliver 34 MP but they waited until they could get a fast enough sensor to avoid the rolling shutter, cropped 4K 60 fps and low burst rate for photography that Sony is now crippled with in quite a wide price range. Kudos to Canon. Nikon has been playing the game well too though with the Z6 III, Zf and ZR. Lumix with the S1ii, although that is a bit expensive over $3,000 USD. If Canon holds the price of the R6 III under $2,700 USD they will have a huge hit on their hands.
 
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We won't know when Canon will sunset the RP. It also may be a one-off or remain the bridge from xxD or even XXXD to RF even though it is full frame vs APS-C for the others.
When the R8 is a 60% premium from B&H and the R10 a 10% premium to the RP's USD900 then it still has a strong presence for the lower end bodies.
FF is not only the camera but also the system of lenses that comes with it. Initially RF-S was lens-starved, but now with the Sigma additions it has developed into a nice little system. What I mean is that I assume that the main "lure" for EF-S holdouts is RF-S. And whoever among the EF-S holdouts was susceptible to transition to FF, most of them have probably already done so, given the time since EF(-S) has been declared "dead".

Canon will need something to move the remaining DLSR xxxxD and xxxD to RF and the R10 isn't that model at this time.
Don't they have the R50 and R100 for that? We can agree that they are limited, but so are the xxxD and xxxxD cameras...

Disclaimer: I am speculating about the market and Canon's strategy, as I do not have any data or insights beyond what we all have access to
 
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my biggest not answered questions yet:

  • Shutter Angle for video!?
  • Sound record on slow mo video?! (C50 hasn't)
  • Buffer for RAW photos
  • New AF?
At least it will be again to expensive at the start to fram the early adopters... I don't pay 3k€ if I can have a used R5II for ~3300-3500€!
I don't know where you can get such a price for a used R5 MK2. The only person I know that can get a price around 3200€-3300€ are Canon's employees (for a new one).
 
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