Canon Eyes a Canon RF 50-150mm F2.8

This would be my lens for the holiday bag. Used the Sigma 50-150 EX II in conjunction with the Canon 17-55 2.8 back in the EOS 30D days. The Sigma was soft but very compact.... always hoped the y would bring a sharper version on RF
 
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Not filling the whole image circle. What's next? Filling half of the sensor with AI generated image?
Reading the full article sometimes helps:
There is a bit of stretching on the wide end (with the image circle being 19.96mm instead of the 21.63mm), but it's not as bad as some embodiments for other lenses I've seen.
We had this before, it was discussed before, and nobody is forced to buy this lens. Other (more expensive, but also bigger) options are available.
 
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Not filling the whole image circle. What's next? Filling half of the sensor with AI generated image?
I'm still waiting for someone to demonstrate in the final image the inferiority of digital geometric distortion correction, compared to optical correction that some people claim is superior. I tried and failed, finding that digital correction was just as good. Since you clearly believe that optical correction is better, perhaps you'll be the one to actually show some evidence to support that belief?

I won't hold my breath.
 
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It would be a nice travel lens. I think it would sell quite well if the price was reasonable. Good for the crop sensor cameras.
I’ve a suggestion a new Canon RF 75-300mm f/4-5.6. They could call it Canon RF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 II and that name would be the only thing they need to change.
 
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Given the lack of elements and the fact that the lens does not fill the entire image circle on the wide end, I don't think this is an L-grade design, but it would make a lot of sense as a prosumer constant f/2.8 lens.
Looks like ~17 elements (hard to be sure on my phone screen). That’s the same number as in the RF 70-200/2.8 lenses (Z and non-Z), so I wouldn’t call that a ‘lack of elements’. Also worth noting that the RF 24-105/2.8L Z does not fill the entire image circle on the wide end.

Having said that, I agree that this is most likely a design for prosumer lens to match the current 16-28 and 28-70 f/2.8 STM lenses.
 
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I'm still waiting for someone to demonstrate in the final image the inferiority of digital geometric distortion correction, compared to optical correction that some people claim is superior. I tried and failed, finding that digital correction was just as good. Since you clearly believe that optical correction is better, perhaps you'll be the one to actually show some evidence to support that belief?

I won't hold my breath.
seems like mostly a cake and eat it too thing. i want to buy lenses that create low distortion images. in the film days, without digital lens correction i had to buy big / heavy and live with a lot of aberration (EF 17-40: i am talking about you). EF17-40 was pretty popular before the full frame digitals became available.

i guess i FEEL like i spend all this money on a full frame sensor (rather than a APSC) and so i want lenses that illuminate the whole thing. once the corners are dark, the digital lens correction is essentially cropping in. (2 mm-ish in the above example)

For the EF 17-40 the entire 35mm frame was covered in light but the corners were not very good. digital lens correction can make a big difference in its images and i am happy for DLC.

But, now designs are assuming digital lens correction from the jump, maybe choosing to exhibit easier to correct distortions and better control hard to correct distortions. I feel like my full frame is wasted but probably need to appreciate the size, weight, and cost savings present in the lenses. I have to say I am pretty happy with the picts from the RF 24-240. I havent owned the EF 28-300 but it looked big and heavy. BTW, I also liked the Tamron EF 28-300 as a travel lens, DLC helps it too.
 
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seems like mostly a cake and eat it too thing. i want to buy lenses that create low distortion images. in the film days, without digital lens correction i had to buy big / heavy and live with a lot of aberration (EF 17-40: i am talking about you). EF17-40 was pretty popular before the full frame digitals became available.

i guess i FEEL like i spend all this money on a full frame sensor (rather than a APSC) and so i want lenses that illuminate the whole thing. once the corners are dark, the digital lens correction is essentially cropping in. (2 mm-ish in the above example)

For the EF 17-40 the entire 35mm frame was covered in light but the corners were not very good. digital lens correction can make a big difference in its images and i am happy for DLC.

But, now designs are assuming digital lens correction from the jump, maybe choosing to exhibit easier to correct distortions and better control hard to correct distortions. I feel like my full frame is wasted but probably need to appreciate the size, weight, and cost savings present in the lenses. I have to say I am pretty happy with the picts from the RF 24-240. I havent owned the EF 28-300 but it looked big and heavy. BTW, I also liked the Tamron EF 28-300 as a travel lens, DLC helps it too.

Not everyone wants to spend $3000 on a lens, well.... the majority of lens buyers don't. Process corrections with DPP/DLO/NNIP.
 
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seems like mostly a cake and eat it too thing. i want to buy lenses that create low distortion images. in the film days, without digital lens correction i had to buy big / heavy and live with a lot of aberration (EF 17-40: i am talking about you). EF17-40 was pretty popular before the full frame digitals became available.
That pretty effectively makes the point that 'optical correction' can leave a lot to be desired.

once the corners are dark, the digital lens correction is essentially cropping in. (2 mm-ish in the above example)
That is not correct. It's not cropping, it's digitally correcting the barrel distortion. Light that would have filled the corners was bent further into the frame, the correction stretches it back to the corners. As an example, when comparing the RF 14-35/4 (black corners at 14mm), with correction in DxO the resulting image gives a FoV equivalent to ~13.5mm on the EF 11-24/4 (which is essentially distortion free at 13-14mm as it transitions from strong barrel distortion to milder pincushion distortion). It helps that the uncorrected RF 14-35/4 has a FoV of a bit wider than 13mm.

But, now designs are assuming digital lens correction from the jump, maybe choosing to exhibit easier to correct distortions and better control hard to correct distortions. I feel like my full frame is wasted but probably need to appreciate the size, weight, and cost savings present in the lenses. I have to say I am pretty happy with the picts from the RF 24-240. I havent owned the EF 28-300 but it looked big and heavy. BTW, I also liked the Tamron EF 28-300 as a travel lens, DLC helps it too.
I like the have the cake and eat it too design approach. The full frame is not being wasted, as stated above. The advantages of designing with digital corrections in mind are evident. One need only compare the size, weight and optical quality of the EF 11-24/4 to those of the RF 10-20/4, with the latter having similar optical quality (after digital correction of both lenses), but being wider, much smaller and lighter, and cheaper into the bargain. That's a big win, in my opinion (and in my photo bag – I bring the 10-20/4 along a lot more often than I brought the 11-24/4).

I also like the RF 24-240 as a travel lens. I did own the EF 28-300L, it was big and heavy and nothing to write home about optically, especially at the long end. The wider portion was similar to the EF 24-105/4L, the longer portion was not as good as the EF 70-300L, so I switched to the combination of those two lenses and sold the EF 28-300L.
 
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Honestly expected 70-180
That's kind of where I was at (and still am, since this is just a patent rumor, and nothing more) with the first two legs of the budget trinity already complete. Hopefully that's the more likely iteration that we'll see. Maybe this is an APS-focused concept? Hard to say.
 
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50-150mm does sound like an interesting focal length, but for the f2.8 STM trinity I´d prefer a 70-180mm since everything up to 70mm is already covered and 30mm extra sound great. Furthermore, I do believe people buying one of these lenses are considered potential buyers for a second (in some cases even third) lens. So covering more focal length without an overlap would be nicer imo.

50-150mm with a different kind of f-number and not as part as the mentioned trinity sounds more intriguing imo.
 
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That is not correct. It's not cropping, it's digitally correcting the barrel distortion. Light that would have filled the corners was bent further into the frame, the correction stretches it back to the corners. As an example, when comparing the RF 14-35/4 (black corners at 14mm), with correction in DxO the resulting image gives a FoV equivalent to ~13.5mm on the EF 11-24/4 (which is essentially distortion free at 13-14mm as it transitions from strong barrel distortion to milder pincushion distortion). It helps that the uncorrected RF 14-35/4 has a FoV of a bit wider than 13mm.
The sensor corners are not collecting photons, but i sort of see your point.
 
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Yea I don't want this, for the STM line just do a 70-180 or even 70-150 and make it as small as possible don't start it at 50, if 70-150 (or even 135) meant it was as small as the 16-28 and 28-70 its an instant buy.

HOWEVER

I would LOVE a 50-150 f/2.0
 
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The sensor corners are not collecting photons, but i sort of see your point.
You are right that parts of the sensor are not exposed and thus "wasted", so that the image circle from further in has to be stretched outwards but only into the corners, as @neuroanatomist mentioned earlier, leading to a loss of resolution in the corners. Now, this sounds bad on its own, but since most lenses already fair less than optimal in the corners, particularly at lower prices, and as long as the stretching results in an equivalent image quality, we can benefit at "similar" image quality from smaller, lighter, and cheaper lenses.

What I am trying to say is that while this might waste some pixels in the corners, it is effectively irrelevant to us users, if we still get the same image quality as we would get from a not-wasteful larger, but still equally priced lens.
 
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Given that the 16-28 and 28-70 don't overlap, I would find it strange for them to add 20mm overlap between 50-70mm.

I do understand that a 35/50-150 F2/2.8 is very enticing in its own right, but it does not feel quite like trinity material to me.
 
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Happy-sad.
I appreciate the idea, but I'm afraid it's not for me.
2.8 is just not fast enough, I need to bring 50/1.8 as well anyway.

If it was a non-L 50-150/2 or /2.2, now _that_ would be a next level development, maybe a continuation of the 45/1.2 "revolution".
Otherwise just a make
85-150/2.8 which is lighter
85-180/2.8 which is longer and still light compared to L stuff
50-150/2L which would just be awesome especially if it is 100g lighter than Sony ;)
85-150/2L if it's considerably lighter or gains IQ compared to 50-150
85-135/2L macro? I mean real 1:1. omg goosebumps ;)

I any case, my usual comment. Pleeeease think about opening a new lens category - meant for "professionals" when weight matters. Mid-tier, non-L with USM.
 
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