Is the Canon EOS R10 Mark II Coming in Q4 2026?

It'll be interesting to see how the R10 evolves in terms of specs and pricing. The R7ii is supposedly going upmarket which might leave a gap to fill. Spec-wise I could imagine the R10ii not only getting the 32mp sensor from the R7, but also the IBIS unit. If IBIS is included I´d expect the price to go up, making pricing more difficult because the competition with these types of cameras.
 
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It'll be interesting to see how the R10 evolves in terms of specs and pricing. The R7ii is supposedly going upmarket which might leave a gap to fill. Spec-wise I could imagine the R10ii not only getting the 32mp sensor from the R7, but also the IBIS unit. If IBIS is included I´d expect the price to go up, making pricing more difficult because the competition with these types of cameras.
With 32MP IBIS, it would basically be an R7 MKI.

That's tricky to price, indeed.

While I would like such a thing, I don’t see an R10II going IBIS unless competitors make cheaper crop IBIS bodies, too. Or if it outright replaces the R7I.

Looking around, Fuji's X-E5, Sony's A6700 and the Lumix S9 are priced more like an R7I, Nikon has no aps-c IBIS, leaving M4/3 bodies as the only IBIS competitors around the R10. Hence I think Canon has more incentive to leave IBIS out and “protect” the R7 unless another maker puts pressure on them.
 
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With 32MP IBIS, it would basically be an R7 MKI.

That's tricky to price, indeed.

While I would like such a thing, I don’t see an R10II going IBIS unless competitors make cheaper crop IBIS bodies, too. Or if it outright replaces the R7I.

Looking around, Fuji's X-E5, Sony's A6700 and the Lumix S9 are priced more like an R7I, Nikon has no aps-c IBIS, leaving M4/3 bodies as the only IBIS competitors around the R10. Hence I think Canon has more incentive to leave IBIS out and “protect” the R7 unless another maker puts pressure on them.
If they stay without IBIS, they need better IS RF-S lenses.
 
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With 32MP IBIS, it would basically be an R7 MKI.
Well, that is exactly what might happen. A lot of people thought Canon combined the successor of the 90d and 7dii to the R7. Maybe, that didn't quite work out... I don´t know the sales numbers or the targeted sales numbers. Rumors point to the r7ii going upmarket and probably being what most people in the forums and wildlife/ birding community hoped the first version would have been. Therefore, it shouldn't be considered a combined spiritual successor of both the 90d and 7dii. Which leaves the r10ii as a successor for the 90d. Of course, the 90d had no IBIS, but none of the DSLR had. I could easily see Canon giving the R10ii an Ibis unit and moving it a bit further up in the line-up towards the R7 price segment. The original R10 will keep the lower price point for while giving Canon to evaluate whether they need a camera between the R50 and R10ii.
While I would like such a thing, I don’t see an R10II going IBIS unless competitors make cheaper crop IBIS bodies, too.
Interesting, so Canon should follow the lead of their competitiors. I always thought Canon really likes to take the lead instead of following it.
Looking around, Fuji's X-E5, Sony's A6700 and the Lumix S9 are priced more like an R7I, Nikon has no aps-c IBIS, leaving M4/3 bodies as the only IBIS competitors around the R10.
Personally, just more reasons to offer an ibis equipped R10ii.
Hence I think Canon has more incentive to leave IBIS out and “protect” the R7 unless another maker puts pressure on them.
If rumors are true for the R7ii, it doesn't need protection from an ibis equipped R10ii. They'll be in totally different segments.
 
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Well, that is exactly what might happen. A lot of people thought Canon combined the successor of the 90d and 7dii to the R7. Maybe, that didn't quite work out... I don´t know the sales numbers or the targeted sales numbers. Rumors point to the r7ii going upmarket and probably being what most people in the forums and wildlife/ birding community hoped the first version would have been. Therefore, it shouldn't be considered a combined spiritual successor of both the 90d and 7dii. Which leaves the r10ii as a successor for the 90d. Of course, the 90d had no IBIS, but none of the DSLR had. I could easily see Canon giving the R10ii an Ibis unit and moving it a bit further up in the line-up towards the R7 price segment. The original R10 will keep the lower price point for while giving Canon to evaluate whether they need a camera between the R50 and R10ii.

Interesting, so Canon should follow the lead of their competitiors. I always thought Canon really likes to take the lead instead of following it.

Personally, just more reasons to offer an ibis equipped R10ii.

If rumors are true for the R7ii, it doesn't need protection from an ibis equipped R10ii. They'll be in totally different segments.
So an R9 basically? Like a 90D. I buy that.

That sounds awesome. Yeah, I shouldn’t be so cynical about IBIS. But:

> Interesting, so Canon should follow the lead of their competitiors. I always thought Canon really likes to take the lead instead of following it.

Not necessarily on pricing, heh. And the cheapness of the R7I would still put it in a weird spot.
 
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If rumors are true for the R7ii, it doesn't need protection from an ibis equipped R10ii. They'll be in totally different segments.
So an R9 basically? Like a 90D. I buy that.

Imho R9 will be the entry-level full frame body positioned below the future R8 MkII.
 
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I guess the R7i was designed during a shrinking market to replace two product lines, the 7D and the 90D and the result was something that was too pro for enthusiasts (for ex. dual card slots) and not enough pro for pros (no weather sealing). Now that the market has recovered somewhat, it seems the R7ii is going back where it was supposed to be. If the R10ii becomes an enthusiast-only version of R7 (like the 90D), the question is whether the IBIS will be considered a pro feature or not. Sony has had an IBIS-equipped enthusiast camera for 10 years now (from A6500 onward) roughly in the price range where the R7i is now and the R7ii won't be, so hopefully Canon will make one as well.

But I'm not sure if waiting for the R10ii makes sense if the R7i can be bought now for 1000 EUR? Would it be cheaper, or have more features? A newer and faster sensor - probably not. How likely is it to get the LP-E6 battery? Newer software, probably - but better than the R7i? Most of its technology will be recycled from previous models, and not from the high end ones either.
 
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So an R9 basically? Like a 90D. I buy that.
Nope, not an R9. I figure the R9 is reserved for an entry level full frame camera IF Canon decides they need one more model beneath the R8. Atm, the RP currently occupies that space and still seems to selling well, at least in Germany and the yearly sales events such as Black Friday, cyber Monday and prime day. Once the R8ii hits the market the R8 will probably occupy this spot, so I don´t think will release an R9 in the next few years.
That sounds awesome. Yeah, I shouldn’t be so cynical about IBIS. But:

> Interesting, so Canon should follow the lead of their competitiors. I always thought Canon really likes to take the lead instead of following it.

Not necessarily on pricing, heh. And the cheapness of the R7I would still put it in a weird spot.
Yeah, when it comes to pricing the manufacturers kind like to play chicken. Just like Canon and Sony did with the R6iii and A7V.
 
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I guess the R7i was designed during a shrinking market to replace two product lines, the 7D and the 90D and the result was something that was too pro for enthusiasts (for ex. dual card slots) and not enough pro for pros (no weather sealing). Now that the market has recovered somewhat, it seems the R7ii is going back where it was supposed to be.
Agreed.
If the R10ii becomes an enthusiast-only version of R7 (like the 90D), the question is whether the IBIS will be considered a pro feature or not. Sony has had an IBIS-equipped enthusiast camera for 10 years now (from A6500 onward) roughly in the price range where the R7i is now and the R7ii won't be, so hopefully Canon will make one as well.
Agreed again.
But I'm not sure if waiting for the R10ii makes sense if the R7i can be bought now for 1000 EUR? Would it be cheaper, or have more features? A newer and faster sensor - probably not. How likely is it to get the LP-E6 battery? Newer software, probably - but better than the R7i? Most of its technology will be recycled from previous models, and not from the high end ones either.
If Canon sells off the current R7s, then yes, R10ii will have its place. In this regard, Canons timeline makes sense: The current R7 can be bought for 1.100 € at certain sale events, the R7ii will be released in may and the R10ii in Q4 and probably when stock of the R7 has diminished drastically.
 
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But I'm not sure if waiting for the R10ii makes sense if the R7i can be bought now for 1000 EUR? Would it be cheaper, or have more features? A newer and faster sensor - probably not. How likely is it to get the LP-E6 battery? Newer software, probably - but better than the R7i? Most of its technology will be recycled from previous models, and not from the high end ones either.

I'm in this dilemma.

I'm actually considering trading my R50V for an R7I or a future R10II and some feature dilemmas I'm facing are:

- Color file video shooting. The R50V has more "clog3-like" video modes than the R7, with HDR PQ, HLG, standard and Canon Rec 709 with tons of tuning for each color profile. AND I can bake in 33-point LUTs. The HDR PQ file (with some tweaks) looks incredible straight of the R50V, so I'd really, really miss this.

- Long GOP video shooting (whereas the R7I only seems to encode all-I).

- More granular bitrate selection, eg shooting SDR in 10-bit HEVC instead of being forced to use AVC like the R7.

- More autofocus subject types. I forget what the R7 has, but newer bodies can specify cars, animals, or a database of specific people, and some AF features are missing from the R7.

- Allegedly better color profiles for HDR PQ still shooting than the older R7's HDR color tuning.

- A less extreme crop for 4K60 mode (though a 32MP R10II would negate this).

- USB UAC. The R50V can be used as a webcam with no extra drivers, whereas the R7 practically can't... Not without the buggy, low quality, subscription Canon webcam app.

- A base ISO of 400 for Clog3 vs 800 for the R7. This is a mixed tradeoff.

- 5GHz wifi, vs 2.4Ghz for the R7. But the Canon Connect app is horrendously slow with 5Ghz anyway, way slower than USB2, and images.canon is kind of dystopian, so this isn't a huge deal.

I'm listing these out because the R10II will hopefully have all this too, unless Canon really cripples it for video. But if none of that sounds important to you, a discount R7I makes a lot of sense.

In addition, the R7I's video IBIS is notoriously "wobbly" and jerky, something they could fix with an R10II. It's possible that sensor readout could improve over the R7I too.

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Currently, my plan is to wait for the R7II to ship, as I assume thats when a ton of R7I bodies will hit the used market and prices hit a local low. And we should have more solid R10II rumors by then.
 
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How many entry-level cameras does Canon need ?

Right now, there's the R100, R50, R10, and maybe the R50 V.
Right now they think it's 3. Sounds about right to me, too. One as cheap as possible, one sensible entry level and one slightly above that.

Nobody looks at the R50V for photography and the rumored R10 ii will be replacing the current R10, so stays at 3.

5 years ago they had basically 9! 90D, 77D, 850D, 250D, 2000D, 4000D! And don't forget M6 ii, M50 ii and M200.
 
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