Canon RF 300-600mm Update…. Again

It is. If it makes you feel better you can read through all of the posts here, get a laugh, and feel better. Slams all around.

My favorite thus far is @AlanF ‘s takedown of my “beautiful bird” produced by a “trash lens” and presented in humor about what Canon might do. 😏

Just breathe.

But seriously, you were obviously excited enough to be disappointed by the side track after everyone said… yup, might be.

What are you hoping for in the 300-600? Plans? Are you replacing a lens (or set) or is this a new capability for your Canon gear?
 
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It is. If it makes you feel better you can read through all of the posts here, get a laugh, and feel better. Slams all around.

My favorite thus far is @AlanF ‘s takedown of my “beautiful bird” produced by a “trash lens” and presented in humor about what Canon might do. 😏

Just breathe.

But seriously, you were obviously excited enough to be disappointed by the side track after everyone said… yup, might be.

What are you hoping for in the 300-600? Plans? Are you replacing a lens (or set) or is this a new capability for your Canon gear?
Started out with the R6mkII, then to the R3, and just recently to the R1 (got a great deal on a 3 month old one). I had the old EF 800mm f/5.6 but was getting too much for me so I sold that just recently (I've got arthritis in one of my wrists). I've got the RF 100-500, and RF 200-800, but would love Canon to come out with an 'L' lens in the 600m range that's a bit more affordable than the current RF 600 f/4 (someone here in Perth has the RF 800 f/5.6, lucky bugger).

Had an accident with the RF 200-800 the other week and will need repaired, but if the RF 300-600mm came out sometime in 2026 I'd be happy to wait for that and put the money towards that.

I'm just an amateur retired old guy who enjoys being out in the outdoors seeing all the beauty that nature gives us. I don't worry about pixel peeping so doesn't need to be thee sharpest lens out, but a zoom lens does give more options for use than a straight prime (appreciate primes will still give the best image quality).

Yes, wishful thinking on my part hoping the 300-600 will come out soon, but if it's by the end of the year that would be fantastic. I don't expect it to be priced like the 200-800, but in between that and the long primes would be a nice bonus (up to USD$5k would be great, but realistically will be more likely from $7k upwards).
 
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Started out with the R6mkII, then to the R3, and just recently to the R1 (got a great deal on a 3 month old one). I had the old EF 800mm f/5.6 but was getting too much for me so I sold that just recently (I've got arthritis in one of my wrists). I've got the RF 100-500, and RF 200-800, but would love Canon to come out with an 'L' lens in the 600m range that's a bit more affordable than the current RF 600 f/4 (someone here in Perth has the RF 800 f/5.6, lucky bugger).

Had an accident with the RF 200-800 the other week and will need repaired, but if the RF 300-600mm came out sometime in 2026 I'd be happy to wait for that and put the money towards that.

I'm just an amateur retired old guy who enjoys being out in the outdoors seeing all the beauty that nature gives us. I don't worry about pixel peeping so doesn't need to be thee sharpest lens out, but a zoom lens does give more options for use than a straight prime (appreciate primes will still give the best image quality).

Yes, wishful thinking on my part hoping the 300-600 will come out soon, but if it's by the end of the year that would be fantastic. I don't expect it to be priced like the 200-800, but in between that and the long primes would be a nice bonus (up to USD$5k would be great, but realistically will be more likely from $7k upwards).
Did the 200-800 break in two?
 
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Started out with the R6mkII, then to the R3, and just recently to the R1 (got a great deal on a 3 month old one). I had the old EF 800mm f/5.6 but was getting too much for me so I sold that just recently (I've got arthritis in one of my wrists). I've got the RF 100-500, and RF 200-800, but would love Canon to come out with an 'L' lens in the 600m range that's a bit more affordable than the current RF 600 f/4 (someone here in Perth has the RF 800 f/5.6, lucky bugger).
Nice! Dream great white. The 500 f/4 was my dream Great White (I only buy lenses once I can justify with meaningful use, so waiting on a trip), but tbh the zooms have become effectively prime like aside from light gathering anyhow.

Had an accident with the RF 200-800 the other week and will need repaired, but if the RF 300-600mm came out sometime in 2026 I'd be happy to wait for that and put the money towards that.
That sucks. Sorry to hear of it. Did it break due to an appropriate circumstance, like a bear smacked it? Or something surprising, like you put it in a backpack and then it spontaneously cleaved in two? I ask because one scenario is entertaining and the otehr is actually informative to people considering the lens.

I was considering that lens, but I read it fogs in persistent humidity (I'm in the Pacific Northwest) and on a personal trial at the local store I found the focus ring is too small for my taste (my thumb skids on the barrel). As awesome as Canon's AF capabilities are, dim light and moving grass still thwart on occasion for my R6. Otherwise seems like a great lens and I could probably get over the focus ring in real world use.

I'm just an amateur retired old guy who enjoys being out in the outdoors seeing all the beauty that nature gives us.
I'm mostly a hobbyist myself, albeit very fortunate. I'm a tech guy, but I also live on a hobby farm acreage and live amongst farmers and ranchers. Lots of domesticated and semi-domesticated life and visual obstacles that make up parts of the cool shots. I also travel as work requires or opportunity permits.

I don't worry about pixel peeping so doesn't need to be thee sharpest lens out, but a zoom lens does give more options for use than a straight prime (appreciate primes will still give the best image quality).
I find that I like primes overall for their zen (just frame, tweak, and shoot) but zooms are more practical in many situations or travel. No doubt the 100-300 and 300-600 would make killer safari lenses (or any dustbin / spattering-wet situation).

Yes, wishful thinking on my part hoping the 300-600 will come out soon, but if it's by the end of the year that would be fantastic. I don't expect it to be priced like the 200-800, but in between that and the long primes would be a nice bonus (up to USD$5k would be great, but realistically will be more likely from $7k upwards).
I miss the earlier EF ethos of the 300mm f/4 and 400mm f/5.6. I still have my 300mm f/4 IS, which is fantastic for what it is, especially on modern systems. Would love to see those or equivalents come to the RF line within a $4.5k CAD limit. Perhaps a VCM-inspired tele range, like a 300 f/4, 400 f/5.6, and 500 f/8 and TC compatibility (apertures allowing for cost control in the context of modern ISO capability). But in nice barrels, like the 300mm f/4 with solid focus rings and controls — mini Great Whites (dog sharks) for the fortunate hobbyists. I think that the 600 f/11 and 800 f/11 are innovative for what they are, but I think that the allowance for full aperture control and weather protected are killer features. The original EFs weren't full sealed, but it wouldn't have taken much to finish the job since the 300 is fully internally sealed (no fogging).
 
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"unethical behavior"
Are you for real!!!
"You are a very ethical person."
"You are a very ethical person, or so I would have thought before you omitted the end of a quote to change its meaning."

See what I did there?

Regardless, the 300-600mm might or might not come. It might be f/5.6, it might be f/4-5.6. There was going to be a 200-500mm f/4, with prototypes in the wild and rumored announcement dates. But then...there wasn't, and instead it was going to be a 300-600mm. In 2025. But then there wasn't. And now...in 2026.

I hope there is a 300-600/5.6, and your statement that you want something 'that's a bit more affordable than the current RF 600 f/4' may be reasonable as such a lens will likely be priced in between the 100-300/2.8 at $10.5K (USD) and the 600/4 at $14.5K. So if 'a bit more affordable' to you means a couple of thousand dollars cheaper, well and good. If you're hoping for a 300-600/5.6 costing <$10K USD, I suspect you're headed for disappointment even if the lens does get launched.
 
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All of this plus a brief scan of my earliest engagement in this thread reminds me, I provided an explanation but never did apologize for my snappy mood at @neuroanatomist's attempt at humour.

In earnest spirit, @neuroanatomist — I apologize for my lack of tolerance and willingness to explore the greater intent of the conversation. I am feeling much better at this point, and my colleague's team is being taken care of as best as the situation permits.
 
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"You are a very ethical person."
"You are a very ethical person, or so I would have thought before you omitted the end of a quote to change its meaning."

See what I did there?
You're looking way to much into my post, I had to go back and look at the article to see what you were talking about. My post was originally about there being multiple pages in. a row that had zero to do with the 300-600 lens and was making a joke about changing the thread title.

If it supports your conspiracy theory that I was trying to be "unethical" go ahead, but it was just a copy of a comment from an article and I had zero inclination to divert it's meaning (y)
 
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You're looking way to much into my post, I had to go back and look at the article to see what you were talking about. My post was originally about there being multiple pages in. a row that had zero to do with the 300-600 lens and was making a joke about changing the thread title.

If it supports your conspiracy theory that I was trying to be "unethical" go ahead, but it was just a copy of a comment from an article and I had zero inclination to divert it's meaning (y)
Try going back and looking at your post:
The thread is entitled "Canon RF 300-600mm" so was expecting discussion about that subject

and if you want to talk about the article, it said

"I have been told that in a recent retailer meeting that the lens was once again mentioned in a presentation, but that there is still no announcement date, other than “coming in 2026,"

Coming in 2026 isn't something that's "vaporware".
You made a specific point about the 300-600 not being vaporware using an incomplete quote to support that point, when the full quote supports the opposite conclusion.

You want to rewrite history now, but that’s hard to do when your own words are right there for all to see. The internet, remember?

Of course, you could have chosen to quote and respond to the part of my reply that was about the 300-600, since you seem so bent out of shape that the thread veered away from that topic. But no, you ignored that on-topic bit and chose instead to try vainly to defend your behavior, while perpetuating the tangential path of this thread. So…well done? :rolleyes:
 
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Did the 200-800 break in two?

That sucks. Sorry to hear of it. Did it break due to an appropriate circumstance, like a bear smacked it? Or something surprising, like you put it in a backpack and then it spontaneously cleaved in two? I ask because one scenario is entertaining and the otehr is actually informative to people considering the lens.
Nothing as drastic as snapping in two, l fell in our pool and got sand into it and seems to be stuck on 400mm focal length, it was a stupid thing by me that caused it.

We live about 500m from the coast and being in the West the Sun always sets on the Ocean. I was trying to get some photos from our backyard but couldn't quite get high enough to see the clouds and sun so got a small ladder and climbed on that to get a better shot. On my tiptoes I lost balance and fell backwards into the edge of our pool (our pool has a beach area that goes from zero to about 2 feet deep). I landed in this area with a thud on the back of my head and was trying to stop my R1 and 200-800 crashing into the floor.

The R1 kept making this wiring sound and keep turning on and off, but I didn't have time to look at it as I had a big gash on the side of my face (where I hit the ladder) and had a bloody big lump on the back of my head. Later I turned the R1 off and next day it was doing the same (oh dear, well actually words a lot stronger than that 🤬), this time I took out the battery, blown in the space and left the camera alone for the next day. Luckily, I hope, the R1 seems to be working just fine now and the same battery is ok, I'll still send it off to be looked at but here in Perth not much choice for Canon camera repairs so will need to go to Sydney. I don't think I bumped the R1 (was more worried about the lens and camera than my head) and think it just got some water in the battery compartment.

I can live with the 200-800 needing fixed or replaced, but will be gutted if there's an ongoing issue with the R1.
 

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Try going back and looking at your post:

You made a specific point about the 300-600 not being vaporware using an incomplete quote to support that point, when the full quote supports the opposite conclusion.

You want to rewrite history now, but that’s hard to do when your own words are right there for all to see. The internet, remember?

Of course, you could have chosen to quote and respond to the part of my reply that was about the 300-600, since you seem so bent out of shape that the thread veered away from that topic. But no, you ignored that on-topic bit and chose instead to try vainly to defend your behavior, while perpetuating the tangential path of this thread. So…well done? :rolleyes:
Mate you've really got a problem, whatever floats your boat go for your life, it must be so satisfying being as perfect as you.

I've separated the different parts of several posts into different replies (see post above about me damaging my 200-800) and my next post was going to be about your and DocInfoSci's comments regarding the 300-600, but trying to talk reason with yourself is like getting blood out of a stone.

You're right, I'm wrong, happy now :D
 
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Mate you've really got a problem, whatever floats your boat go for your life, it must be so satisfying being as perfect as you.

I've separated the different parts of several posts into different replies (see post above about me damaging my 200-800) and my next post was going to be about your and DocInfoSci's comments regarding the 300-600, but trying to talk reason with yourself is like getting blood out of a stone.

You're right, I'm wrong, happy now :D
Ahh, my fault then for being too fast on the keyboard. Carry on...or not. Could do without the personal insults, but you do you.
 
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Ahh, my fault then for being too fast on the keyboard. Carry on...or not. Could do without the personal insults, but you do you.

Pot kettle black

I am free to call you out on unethical behavior.

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Synonyms for unethical include immoral, dishonourable, unscrupulous, unprincipled, dishonest, and corrupt. These terms describe actions, behaviors, or individuals that violate moral principles, professional standards, or fairness.
 
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Pot kettle black

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Unethical

Synonyms for unethical include immoral, dishonourable, unscrupulous, unprincipled, dishonest, and corrupt. These terms describe actions, behaviors, or individuals that violate moral principles, professional standards, or fairness.
So you feel that I insulted you by calling out your behavior? You omitted part of a quote that changed meaning and intent of that quote. How would you characterize that? If it was an honest mistake, you could have stated that. But even before I (correctly) characterized your behavior, you responded thusly:
You don't need to be a smart arse about it, it's only a forum about Canon camera gear.
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smart-arse

British, informal + impolite
: a person who says things that are clever or funny but that are also disrespectful or rude

Do I also need to post definitions for 'disrespectful' and 'rude', or is apparent that calling someone a smart arse is insulting? I mean, even the assigned usage label is 'impolite', which I would say is a polite description of your behavior.

You can make the pot kettle argument if you want, but let's not forget that you are the one that started that rolling. Not to mention continuing to argue with @AlanF about the 'vaporware' while failing to even read his posts.

This is all rather pointless. If you'd like to acknowledge your inappropriate action(s) and apologize for them, like a mature person should, feel free. I won't hold my breath.
 
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So you feel that I insulted you by calling out your behavior? You omitted part of a quote that changed meaning and intent of that quote. How would you characterize that? If it was an honest mistake, you could have stated that. But even before I (correctly) characterized your behavior, you responded thusly:

Merriam-Webster

smart-arse

British, informal + impolite
: a person who says things that are clever or funny but that are also disrespectful or rude

Do I also need to post definitions for 'disrespectful' and 'rude', or is apparent that calling someone a smart arse is insulting? I mean, even the assigned usage label is 'impolite', which I would say is a polite description of your behavior.

You can make the pot kettle argument if you want, but let's not forget that you are the one that started that rolling. Not to mention continuing to argue with @AlanF about the 'vaporware' while failing to even read his posts.

This is all rather pointless. If you'd like to acknowledge your inappropriate action(s) and apologize for them, like a mature person should, feel free. I won't hold my breath.
Nah, will just go with a good Aussie phrase "tell someone who gives a ...."
 
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As others commented here, a 300-600, be it f/4.0-5.6 or constant f/5.6, would need a big feature that really sets it apart from the 100-300 f/2.8 + 2.0x TC. For real life photography, that's weight. Let's speculate that Canon may introduce diffraction optics (DO) in the first supertele zoom on the market to make it extremely light. To my knowledge, all tele lenses with DO/PF features so far made are primes: Canon's pioneering 400 f/4.0 I & II, Nikon's 300/4 that came later for their F mount (and suffered initially from decentered lenses, Nikon's production was still in a learning curve), and now Nikon's bold and great move with the 600 and 800 f/6.3 "PF" lenses. Let's look at the physics: diffraction optics means to use Fresnel lenses, flat lenses designed with tiny concentric rings that diffract light basically like a much more massive conventional glass lens (in fact a set of conventional glass lenses). This allows for a very light, compact lens design, but the price is that a sort of micro pattern comes into play. I guess that's the reason why we do not yet see any zoom lens based on DO (please correct me if I missed any lens on the market, Nikon's 180-600 is "non-PF", I checked that). So I guess it is a real challenge to control any sort of optical effects created by such micro pattern well enough for a high-end tele zoom.

That DO may create problems came into my wife's (she is a physicist) and my mind during a birding trip from which we returned yesterday. We shot birds side by side, and if there was enough light with the same settings. My wife used her new Z8 (upgraded from a Z5 II), her 600/6.3 PF lens with and w/o Nikon's 1.4x TC for Z mount. I used my EF 600mm f/4.0 III, w & w/o 1.4 TC III, and mostly my R5 II (partly my R7 when there was enough light). Without TC's my wife's combo performed AF wise like my combo (aperture set to f/6.3-8.0 to gain more depth of field): fast & precise. But with the 1.4x TC on, my wife's Z8 started to struggle: it's AF found the bird quickly but then started to micro-pump around the precise in-focus distance. Only if the bird was sitting still for a quite long time, the camera finally found the correct in-focus distance by try & error, just like the old purely contrast-based AF systems. By contrast, my Canon combo worked fast & precisely. But what is the problem in the Nikon system? One source could be Nikon's TC, of course we could have purchased a bad copy. But with the Z5 II my wife had not such bold problems with this TC, so we came to the conclusion the TC isn't the bottleneck. Now, the Z5 II has only 24 MP, so it has much less resolution and a much "grainier" pixel pattern on its sensor. The Z8 is known for being prone to Moiré, Nikon followed their philosophy for sacrifying a stronger optical low-pass filter in front of the sensor for gaining more micro-contrast. So, currently we suspect that the pattern of the diffraction optics in the 600/6.3 PF may interfere in some way with the Z8's sensor when magnified by the TC. But that's only our current guessing. One way to test it would be to use a comparable lens with conventional optics, what means that we would have to rent a Z 180-600 zoom - which is known to be much lesser sharp with a TC.

Well, that has to wait until we have time again to deal with that problem, since now we are back to work again. I also will try to figure out the "pitches" of such DO lens rings compared with the pixel pitch of such a 45 MP FF sensor: are these two distances even in the same order of magnitude, and is there any pattern to be expected on the optical image plane on the sensor? In fact, it needs to interfere with the pixels used by the AF system on Nikon's sensor, so we would need this information...

Sorry for this lengthy posting, but maybe someone has a good idea here regarding our "DO problem".
 
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As others commented here, a 300-600, be it f/4.0-5.6 or constant f/5.6, would need a big feature that really sets it apart from the 100-300 f/2.8 + 2.0x TC. For real life photography, that's weight. Let's speculate that Canon may introduce diffraction optics (DO) in the first supertele zoom on the market to make it extremely light.
It's worth remembering that the weight of supertele lenses is to some extent non-negotiably related to the size of the front element, and DO can't get round that. They can be shorter than non-DO designs and that obviously saves weight overall, but recall the prototype EF 600 f/4 DO, the front was still a big hunk of glass.
 
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It's worth remembering that the weight of supertele lenses is to some extent non-negotiably related to the size of the front element, and DO can't get round that. They can be shorter than non-DO designs and that obviously saves weight overall, but recall the prototype EF 600 f/4 DO, the front was still a big hunk of glass.
The Canon EF 600mm f/4 DO IS BR USM was first announced as a working prototype in September 2015 during the Canon Expo in New York. 11 years later still not here. That is genuine vaporware, announced and never marketed.
 
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As others commented here, a 300-600, be it f/4.0-5.6 or constant f/5.6, would need a big feature that really sets it apart from the 100-300 f/2.8 + 2.0x TC. For real life photography, that's weight. Let's speculate that Canon may introduce diffraction optics (DO) in the first supertele zoom on the market to make it extremely light. To my knowledge, all tele lenses with DO/PF features so far made are primes: Canon's pioneering 400 f/4.0 I & II, Nikon's 300/4 that came later for their F mount (and suffered initially from decentered lenses, Nikon's production was still in a learning curve), and now Nikon's bold and great move with the 600 and 800 f/6.3 "PF" lenses. Let's look at the physics: diffraction optics means to use Fresnel lenses, flat lenses designed with tiny concentric rings that diffract light basically like a much more massive conventional glass lens (in fact a set of conventional glass lenses). This allows for a very light, compact lens design, but the price is that a sort of micro pattern comes into play. I guess that's the reason why we do not yet see any zoom lens based on DO (please correct me if I missed any lens on the market, Nikon's 180-600 is "non-PF", I checked that). So I guess it is a real challenge to control any sort of optical effects created by such micro pattern well enough for a high-end tele zoom.

That DO may create problems came into my wife's (she is a physicist) and my mind during a birding trip from which we returned yesterday. We shot birds side by side, and if there was enough light with the same settings. My wife used her new Z8 (upgraded from a Z5 II), her 600/6.3 PF lens with and w/o Nikon's 1.4x TC for Z mount. I used my EF 600mm f/4.0 III, w & w/o 1.4 TC III, and mostly my R5 II (partly my R7 when there was enough light). Without TC's my wife's combo performed AF wise like my combo (aperture set to f/6.3-8.0 to gain more depth of field): fast & precise. But with the 1.4x TC on, my wife's Z8 started to struggle: it's AF found the bird quickly but then started to micro-pump around the precise in-focus distance. Only if the bird was sitting still for a quite long time, the camera finally found the correct in-focus distance by try & error, just like the old purely contrast-based AF systems. By contrast, my Canon combo worked fast & precisely. But what is the problem in the Nikon system? One source could be Nikon's TC, of course we could have purchased a bad copy. But with the Z5 II my wife had not such bold problems with this TC, so we came to the conclusion the TC isn't the bottleneck. Now, the Z5 II has only 24 MP, so it has much less resolution and a much "grainier" pixel pattern on its sensor. The Z8 is known for being prone to Moiré, Nikon followed their philosophy for sacrifying a stronger optical low-pass filter in front of the sensor for gaining more micro-contrast. So, currently we suspect that the pattern of the diffraction optics in the 600/6.3 PF may interfere in some way with the Z8's sensor when magnified by the TC. But that's only our current guessing. One way to test it would be to use a comparable lens with conventional optics, what means that we would have to rent a Z 180-600 zoom - which is known to be much lesser sharp with a TC.

Well, that has to wait until we have time again to deal with that problem, since now we are back to work again. I also will try to figure out the "pitches" of such DO lens rings compared with the pixel pitch of such a 45 MP FF sensor: are these two distances even in the same order of magnitude, and is there any pattern to be expected on the optical image plane on the sensor? In fact, it needs to interfere with the pixels used by the AF system on Nikon's sensor, so we would need this information...

Sorry for this lengthy posting, but maybe someone has a good idea here regarding our "DO problem".
The R5ii has the reputation of having the fastest AF to lock on to a target of the A1ii/Z9/Z8 class. I saw this myself recently:
I was out shooting yesterday with someone using the Sony A1ii + 300mm f/2.8 + 2xTC. He was complaining he couldn't get his gear to focus in time when I was having no problems with the R5ii + RF 200-800mm.
So, maybe the difference in inherent camera AF is the answer, so you have more control experiments to do.
By the way, Canon has produced a tele zoom with a DO optic, the EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM in 2004.
 
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