The Canon EOS R6 V and RF 20-50mm f/4L IS USM PZ are Coming May 13

[mimbu]

Yes, I agree. I actually prefer the file I get out of my R6ii to those I get from my R5. The resolution choice of 24mp was to buff 4K video (yawn) and the bump to 33mp in the mkiii was to assist 8K video (double yawn). So none of these choices were made for photographers needs in mind. It was all about the hybrid / video sales. If the R8II is truly an enthusiasts photographer’s camera, then let’s hope Canon truly hit that specific target.
That said the R8 is still a remarkably capable camera.

You cannot get 8k 16:9 video out of a 33mp 3:2 sensor. While 8k video is 7680x4320 (33.2mp), a 3:2 sensor must be at least 7680x5120 (39.3mp) to manage this. This is why we see so many ~45mp cameras from Canon, Nikon, and Sony.

The R6III going to 33mp was pretty clearly in response to the A7IV having gone to 33mp. It's not a move that is particularly useful for video but does give photographers a bit of a boost in resolution.

 

[riker]

I may be wrong but the size and weight difference i expect to see would be quite small to an R6, because of same battery, IBIS, cooling vents....
Ok, you'd lose the EVF bulge...
But for Photo i really want a VF, optical or otherwise, i tried multiple cameras without it, i prefer a Viewfinder.

Perhaps an R10 or R7 (1000 € on sale if you are patient) could also be a nice small camera with the plus of giving all your lenses a different field of view.
And the R7 even has the same battery as your R5II, so no problem there.

Well, I absolutely love the size and look/format of the R50V, I almost bought one. The only reason I didn't is the aps-c. I hate aps-c I don't think the different field of view is an advantage, especially since it's not the angle but a crop. Very bad at wide angles.
I owned an R7 and while I loved the handling (somehow for me it was even more intuitive than the R5m2) I was pretty dissatisfied with it's overall performance, especially AF. The R5 was a salvation after the R7.
And to top all that, I do a fair amount of wildlife and I'm not willing to use aps-c even for that. That's how much I hate aps-c. You just feel it everywhere. The EVF size, the noise and sharpness, etc...

The R10 and alike, while they are definitely small, I believe the compact format (shape and size both matter) can better it. An R50V+28/2.8p is almost a pocket camera. Even an R100 is far from it.

As for not having an EVF...will see....I shoot a lot with my iphone and I don't miss it. I know, the iphone display is worlds better than anything any camera will ever have...time will tell.

 

[riker]

I hate to break the news to you, but none of the boomers are middle aged any longer. Those born in 1964 are turning 62 years old this year. All of the boomers will officially be "seniors" by the end of this year. In most places, they've been considered "seniors" since they turned 60 in 2024.

Damn u hit me where it hurts the most

A bit off-topic, but hey, community life.

1) I meant in the slang context, as in somebody who seems rigid and oldschool crying about losing old stuff and having difficulties accepting new trends.
2) My country had a very different history and demographic graph, we had a boom in the 70s.

Cheers.

 

[mangobutter]

I've always envisioned my dream zoom lens, and 20-50 F4 (or equivalent) is it. just not too thrilled about it being a power zoom.. i like to manually zoom.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

If the R8ii sticks with the current form factor and hence a LP-E17 battery, I would struggle to see how they can implement IBIS. As it is, the R8 already has a relatively low CIPA rating of 150-220 (standard to power-saving modes using EVF). Adding IBIS would reduce that further, let alone having overheating occuring (much) earlier. These might make the camera potentially rather frustrating to use.

The R6III (which also sports this 33.5mp sensor) is far worse with it's power consumption than the previous R6ii. The R6II's sensor was a very frugal sensor power wise and even that sensor in the R8 still munches through the LP-E17 battery at an alarming rate. From the reports that I've heared from an active wedding photographer who's just traded one of their older R5's for a R6III (and uses a R6II), the R6III's battery usage is a lot worse than the R6II and is in the R5's zone.
For me, if im shooting a R5, I take 2 batteries and spare...I'll usually use about 1 battery completely and a second battery about half, maybe three quarters.
My R6II, I can pretty much shoot the whole gig on one battery and still have some jiuce spare. but I take a spare just in case. With my R8, I would take 4 batteries and use most of them. Thankfully they are small, light and cheap.
If canon puts the R6III's sensor into an R8II....they will need to re-look at the power source / battery. If they are redesigning the casing / body then it makes sense to jump to a LP-E6NH.
It's the screen and the EVF that consume to power, not the IBIS. Sure IBIS uses a bit more but it's insignificant compared to the rear screen and EVF.

 

[HMC11]

If canon puts the R6III's sensor into an R8II....they will need to re-look at the power source / battery. If they are redesigning the casing / body then it makes sense to jump to a LP-E6NH.
It's the screen and the EVF that consume to power, not the IBIS. Sure IBIS uses a bit more but it's insignificant compared to the rear screen and EVF.

Indeed. It will be a shame if they have to increase the size and weight of the R8ii to accommodate a bigger battery and IBIS. The current R8's form factor is a major reason why I reach for it much more often than another FF camera body for hiking.

 

[Bob Howland]

Yes, I have an HF G60. I bought it after the G70 launched, and picked the older version for the larger sensor. I suspect Canon stopped using that in the Vixia line because it was 'too close' to the XA professional cameras. To me, it seems like the G60 is most of an XA camcorder except the XLR handle. The other reason is that I was replacing a Vixia HF M41 for which I had the mini-hotshoe shotgun mic, and for some reason Canon dropped the mini-hotshoe from the G70 (even though all the G-series camcorders before had it).

The rocker on the camcorder is not ideal, I agree. I was unaware of the Manfrotto LANC controller, thanks much for the mention – I have the MVR901EPLA in my cart for my next order. I already use a Manfrotto 608 Nitrotech fluid head, so it's perfect.


The C50 and C80 have a LANC input. The R50 V has a 2.5mm jack but it's for the E3 remote trigger and I doubt it would work with a LANC controller.

Thanks. I've come to the same conclusion. The postings by a certain Atticuslake were informative. I don't understand why Canon doesn't mention it in their manuals. Sometimes Canon (and others) are just too coy for their own good. There are lots of LANC controllers. I found another one by Libec that I bought then forgot about. It's much cheaper and works well but is less versatile.

 

[iaswn90]

Its interesting here in the UK the R50V is currently discounted. I think it makes sense with the upcoming R6V.

 

[Michael Clark]

I already gave up my hope that I could upgrade my R7 before I leave for a birding trip in June. Well I'll survive with the R7 and R5II. My R7 is really a strange package: shooting birds in flight against blue and or overcast skies is quite a challenge - the camera's object recognition quite frequently fails in a mind-boggling way. On the other hand, with a vivid background when the old 7D II would have struggled, the R7 can really shine. Here are two fighting skylarks, they were quite far away, this image is heavily cropped. So they were mere quite small spots on the sensor. I just lifted my lens and took a series of shots w/o hope to get any in-focus hit. But then I found a whole series in focus, this is one of the best. Shot with the EF 600mm f/4.0 III, f = 6.3 and 1/1250 s shutter speed. So, the original R7 is always good for a surprise, either a bad or a really great one.View attachment 229073

It's when you have just enough of those good surprises with a camera like the R7 that the bad surprises are intensely frustrating as you consider what might have been.

 

[oten68]

You can use a PZ lens like any other lens. It just zooms by wire instead of traditional gears.

Any more updates on this rumor? Or extra photos of the lens? Thank you!

 

[justaCanonuser]

Oh Lord, won't you buy me an R7 twoohoo (imagine Janis Joplin's whiskey & cigarettes hardened voice...).

Dear Canon, here is my wish list for AF improvements that should come with the Mark II for birders/wildlife shooters:

- Generally: if the AF system detects a spot roughly in bird shape against a blue background, the spot is most likely the object to focus on.

- In addition to these sky background issues, please, train the AI subject recognition (animals) with enough birds-in-flight (BiF) images shot against different skies - from partly cloudy to completely overcast, and with blue skies in different angles relatively to the sun.

- For shooting with really long supertele setups (600+ mm), please implement a sort of "AF focusing start always with infinity" option (or call it "reverse focus search function"). In typical settings when I shoot BiF, and the R7 doesn't get enough contrast (you already can recognize the bird as a washed-out spot in the EVF), the bloody AF system retires to the most narrow focusing distance and then starts to try to re-focus. Even switched my tele lens to 16m minimum distance, I often lose track completely, because any visual information in the EVF is then gone. If the AF would always start at infinity, in such settings I still could see a soft spot in the EVF I can follow until the AF finally succeeds in finding the correct focus distance and can follow the bird. This "AF always resides to narrowest distance" behavior is really annoying! I lost many potentially interesting shots with my R7 because this happened. Another solution would be to implement an option in which you can set a minimum distance digitally (and an option to program this on a camera button), so I could e.g. select 20 or 30m, what also would help much (but I guess this only would work with RF lenses, not with e.g. my EF 600mm f/4.0 III which I currently do not feel forced to upgrade).

 

[justaCanonuser]

It's when you have just enough of those good surprises with a camera like the R7 that the bad surprises are intensely frustrating as you consider what might have been.

You nailed it. I'd call that "camera behavior influenced shooting psychology (CBISP)"... if you hear someone whistling severe swears hidden in a bush, you know what happened

 

[AlanF]

Oh Lord, won't you buy me an R7 twoohoo (imagine Janis Joplin's whiskey & cigarettes hardened voice...).

Dear Canon, here is my wish list for AF improvements that should come with the Mark II for birders/wildlife shooters:

- Generally: if the AF system detects a spot roughly in bird shape against a blue background, the spot is most likely the object to focus on.

- In addition to these sky background issues, please, train the AI subject recognition (animals) with enough birds-in-flight (BiF) images shot against different skies - from partly cloudy to completely overcast, and with blue skies in different angles relatively to the sun.

- For shooting with really long supertele setups (600+ mm), please implement a sort of "AF focusing start always with infinity" option (or call it "reverse focus search function"). In typical settings when I shoot BiF, and the R7 doesn't get enough contrast (you already can recognize the bird as a washed-out spot in the EVF), the bloody AF system retires to the most narrow focusing distance and then starts to try to re-focus. Even switched my tele lens to 16m minimum distance, I often lose track completely, because any visual information in the EVF is then gone. If the AF would always start at infinity, in such settings I still could see a soft spot in the EVF I can follow until the AF finally succeeds in finding the correct focus distance and can follow the bird. This "AF always resides to narrowest distance" behavior is really annoying! I lost many potentially interesting shots with my R7 because this happened. Another solution would be to implement an option in which you can set a minimum distance digitally (and an option to program this on a camera button), so I could e.g. select 20 or 30m, what also would help much (but I guess this only would work with RF lenses, not with e.g. my EF 600mm f/4.0 III which I currently do not feel forced to upgrade).

Maybe it is the combination of your EF 600mm with the R7 that is the problem. My wife was using the R7 with the RF 100-500mm last week and had no problems. Here are all of her shots. She is no expert BIF photgrapher - she just points in the right direction with settings programmed by me. There is one image by me from last summer - the Swallow in full flight, and they are very difficult to shoot. They are all very small crops, not reduced in size.

 

[MSH411]

Saw this today

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

 

[Canon Rumors]

Canon EOS R6 V Leaks: 7K RAW Video and Active Cooling at a Lower Price Point than the R6 Mark III

Confirmed: The Canon EOS R6 V features active cooling, 7K 60P RAW, and a $400 price drop compared to the R6 Mark III. Check out the leaked specifications and May 13 release details here.

www.canonrumors.com

I'm happy the cooling is more than vents. New thread for the spec updates

 

[AlanF]

Saw this today

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

I don't click on anonymous links. What's it about?

 

[davidespinosa]

I don't click on anonymous links. What's it about?

It's a new video from Ordinary Filmmaker titled "Canon Shocks by giving video shooters key features they demanded".

 

[MSH411]

I don't click on anonymous links. What's it about?

Hardly anonymous, it takes you to one of the most popular sites available for information.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Hardly anonymous, it takes you to one of the most popular sites available for information.

How would anyone know where on YouTube your link would take them when seeing your post?

 

[AlanF]

Hardly anonymous, it takes you to one of the most popular sites available for information.

YouTube is one of the most popular sites for misinformation as well. So, if you don't give the title and content, and better still author, you are directing someone down an unknown rabbit hole.