Canon EOS R5 firmware update coming soon, RAW light to be added? [CR2]

[Paul Nordin]

it's intentional...
Let me explain, they gave a bit of everything (taste platter) for those Canon users and once they taste it ... now please go buy the cine line.
think about it, those RF lens are huge investment... the users are locked in. they have no choice but to buy those RF cine's
it kind of looks like Canon is not interested with the hybrid (with more video use) market... it's either stills (1DX, R5) or pro video (Cine line).

I think what you are stating here is paranoia and not based on real-world testing. I have been working with the R5for 2 weeks now, and have shot several projects with it. I shoot a lot of narrative feature work and will absolutely use the R5 as a B-Cam or C-Cam. Having that little camera on set and being able to basically pull it out of my back pocket and grab 8k RAW b-roll that can cut in with Red or Arri A-Cam footage is a huge benefit to me. I don't need to use it to shoot talking head docs or youtube videos...thats ridiculous. Yes, the R5 has less DR than the A-Cams, but being able to take steps to mitigate those differences with lighting/framing care is part of why I get paid. Getting the high quality 8k Raw and 4k HQ on a small mirrorless that can also shoot with my A-Cam primes with a PL adapter is simply freeing. On top of that, I can take the R5 with the A-Cam lenses on location scouts and capture pre-production stills with the director of a quality that extremely accurately show what we need to add/change in the frame on the day of.

When you shoot 5minutes of 8k RAW and eject the CFexpress card, and its too hot to hold, it becomes quite obvious that limits are not marketing ploys to sell more cinema cams. For those of us working in serious cinema, its crazy to even consider using the R5 or any of the other hybrids as an A-Cam. There is far too much at stake cost and time wise for each setup. Cinema cams have their target use. I'm very excited though, to be able to supplement them with the R5, which opens up possibilities.

 

[tomislavmoze]

I personally would like them not to address the record times except the 30 minutes limit but rather focus on shorting the recovery times. Ok would be nice if 4k60 would be able to film without the limit.
Where the 1080p 120 disappeared it was mention by Jared Polin at the launch. He said it came straight from canon.

 

[Bert63]

I think what you are stating here is paranoia and not based on real-world testing. I have been working with the R5for 2 weeks now, and have shot several projects with it. I shoot a lot of narrative feature work and will absolutely use the R5 as a B-Cam or C-Cam. Having that little camera on set and being able to basically pull it out of my back pocket and grab 8k RAW b-roll that can cut in with Red or Arri A-Cam footage is a huge benefit to me. I don't need to use it to shoot talking head docs or youtube videos...thats ridiculous. Yes, the R5 has less DR than the A-Cams, but being able to take steps to mitigate those differences with lighting/framing care is part of why I get paid. Getting the high quality 8k Raw and 4k HQ on a small mirrorless that can also shoot with my A-Cam primes with a PL adapter is simply freeing. On top of that, I can take the R5 with the A-Cam lenses on location scouts and capture pre-production stills with the director of a quality that extremely accurately show what we need to add/change in the frame on the day of.

When you shoot 5minutes of 8k RAW and eject the CFexpress card, and its too hot to hold, it becomes quite obvious that limits are not marketing ploys to sell more cinema cams. For those of us working in serious cinema, its crazy to even consider using the R5 or any of the other hybrids as an A-Cam. There is far too much at stake cost and time wise for each setup. Cinema cams have their target use. I'm very excited though, to be able to supplement them with the R5, which opens up possibilities.

That was a good read right there.

 

[Bert63]

Where the 1080p 120 disappeared it was mention by Jared Polin at the launch. He said it came straight from canon.

Jared Polin SCREAMED it so it must be so. You make my point for me.

 

[kafala]

Now we just need All-i on the R6 and Aperture and Shutter priority for video recording on the R6. The EOS R and R5 have those options.

 

[SteveC]

Would have liked to have seen 1080p 240fps w/dpaf II on that list.

I'd be happy just to see 1080p 120fps, but sure, I'll take 240. (I suspect 120 would work on an SD card.)

 

[xps]

I´d like to see more freedom in buttons customization.
And an really small AF-spot, like in the pictogram - like the 5DIV has.

 

[Ozarker]

First it was, “Who needs 8k? “

Now, apparently, everyone needs it... and with unlimited recording times.

 

[tomislavmoze]

Jared Polin said it so it must be so. You make my point for me.

He was not the only one that said it, but considering we are here on the rumour site, commenting rumours a one that came from one of the bigger review channels should be noted, also I think he was quoting a canon ambassador, have to find it out it was in one of the video he made. Also I think it was mentioned here also.

 

[wockawocka]

What is Mraw? Is that for video or photo?

Mraw is a smaller dimensioned raw file. So instead for 45mp it would be 30mp.

I am assuming Mraw is the "Medium size RAW" format, that is uncompressed but saved in a reduced resolution (pixels).

Do you not like the quality of the compressed RAW format option? I have been quite impressed with it and it is a lot smaller file size. I think I get a better image with less loss of detail in that format than a reduced pixel size RAW. (I am just starting to shoot with this format since my other camera was 7Dii and did not have it.)

Remember, just because it is uncompressed does not mean that Mraw does not lose information. It has to get rid of and/or combine pixels somehow to get to a smaller resolution.

Kinda, but sadly Mraw was compressed with less dynamic range. The 5DSr had it but two shots of the same scene looked different and had different dynamic range between the Full raw and Mraw.

Craw doesn't address the image size in pixel dimensions and is still compressed and still ahs less dynamic range.

Why Canon doesn't offer something that pixel bins every other pixel to reduce the size but isn't compressed is beyond me.

 

[Bert63]

He was not the only one that said it, but considering we are here on the rumour site, commenting rumours a one that came from one of the bigger review channels should be noted, also I think he was quoting a canon ambassador, have to find it out it was in one of the video he made. Also I think it was mentioned here also.

Actually no. What I have read since launch is a whole lot of people getting really really upset when the RUMORS didn't turn out to be the FACTS.

That's what I see.

At my age I would have hoped to have learned a lot more than I have, but one thing that I did learn was to believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see until you get whatever it is in your own hot little hands and witness it for yourself.

But that's me.

I also learned that if it moves you should salute it and if it doesn't move you should paint it, but that's a Navy story for another time.

I feel slighted that my R5 pre-order doesn't come with a 100-500L kit lens at no extra charge. Is there a thread for that?

 

[Mike9129]

you going to be fine with a 1.9x crop factor (or whatever it is?)

Well, I'll put it to you this way

The best DP I know shoots on a C300 mii with EF glass. So effectively with thex1.7 crop for 4k raw plus the rf full frame glass, youd end up with a similar focal length to what he uses.

Most shots in commercial settings are closeups of the subject to make it a bit more abstract or focus on the eyes/action, for which the extra reach would be welcome.

I know you'll want your wide shots too, but the Ef-s glass is an option for the wide shot.

I'm all for more options

 

[koenkooi]

Jared Polin said it so it must be so. You make my point for me.

EOS R5：レンズ交換式カメラ・レンズ

約4500万画素によるEOS最高解像性能。最高8.0段手ブレ補正効果＆8K／30P動画撮影を実現した、革新のフルサイズミラーレス。

cweb.canon.jp

Google translate:


Assuming google translate is correct, it doesn't make any hard promises.

 

[tomislavmoze]

Actually no. What I have read since launch is a whole lot of people getting really really upset when the RUMORS didn't turn out to be the FACTS.

That's what I see.

At my age I would have hoped to have learned a lot more than I have, but one thing that I did learn was to believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see until you get whatever it is in your own hot little hands and witness it for yourself.

But that's me.

I also learned that if it moves you should salute it and if it doesn't move you should paint it, but that's a Navy story for another time.

I feel slighted that my R5 pre-order doesn't come with a 100-500L kit lens at no extra charge. Is there a thread for that?

man you have a problem.

 

[Jordan23]

Funny, the biggest “bugs” on the list are all artificial: overheat warning, crippled dynamic range due to C-Log with max DR of 12 stops, recording limits, no 8K out... even though HDMI 2.0 supports 8K @30p, etc...

Well, HDMI 2.0 only supports 8K30P 8-bit, 4:2:0, no HDR, and that's a huge downgrade from 8K 12 bit 4:2:2. HDMI 2.0 only supports 8K UHD ( 7680 x 4320 ) and not 8K DCI (8192 x 4320). Unless there's a HDMI 2.1 in the R5 now enabled in a future firmware update (or possible with a future hardware upgrade) there won't be 8K or 4K120P available for external recording.

 

[sobrien]

Jared Polin said it so it must be so. You make my point for me.

I’ve seen a blog (not by JP) outlining the weirdness of the 1080 120fps situation with the R5. Apparently it was mentioned in Canon documentation as an included spec at one stage but subsequently and somewhat mysteriously disappeared. More in the line of conspiracy than rumour. Either way it is an odd omission and one that would be great to see rectified.

 

[Ozarker]

I know you'll want your wide shots too, but the Ef-s glass is an option for the wide shot.

?????

 

[karchner14]

Even if they improve record times limited by heat, they still need to remove the EU 29:59 record limit!

 

[Jordan23]

you going to be fine with a 1.9x crop factor (or whatever it is?)

It's 1.6x crop.
I wouldn't mind 5.1K RAW 12 bit 4:2:2 at all.
I hope Canon find a way to enable 4K120P in crop-mode as well, high quality and you get the added reach for wildlife.

 

[SteveC]

When you shoot 5minutes of 8k RAW and eject the CFexpress card, and its too hot to hold, it becomes quite obvious that limits are not marketing ploys to sell more cinema cams. For those of us working in serious cinema, its crazy to even consider using the R5 or any of the other hybrids as an A-Cam. There is far too much at stake cost and time wise for each setup. Cinema cams have their target use. I'm very excited though, to be able to supplement them with the R5, which opens up possibilities.

And how many damn fools have tried to claim precisely that they are marketing ploys, just on this thread? Some people are so full of it.