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Canon EOS R5 firmware update coming soon, RAW light to be added? [CR2]
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Yikes, no need to clutch your pearls friend; why so defensive? Yes 'yet': as in I acknowledge they likely will add it and that I was surprised it wasn't implemented on release, as were others. Like I said; I'm not on the hate train (tried to make that abundantly clear to prevent exactly your response). Read a little closer and redirect your outrage at people who are actually throwing their toys out of the pram. There are plenty of them here.
I'm all about the stills but would like to dabble in video making, so this will be the perfect hybrid camera for me when it arrives, especially once they add 1080 120fps (which they haven't implemented YET). That said, enjoy your R5 when it arrives if it hasn't already. I know I will
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Plus, CFExpress - maybe it just gets hot cause that's it's only option to manage the heat generated other than throttling I/O.... It may well be how it is designed - you want the speed, you have to accept the thermal implications and it gets hot. Uses metal to help dissipate the heat quicker. I have not read anyone suggesting CFX in a reader stops working, just that it gets damned hot.
Is it the main culprit for the overheat CFE? Could be. I originally thought it was encoding & downsampling and I/O. Maybe the CFE does the most. Yet I have not heaard that the UHS II are too hot to touch, and yet they don't affect the recording times much. And the only difference between the 24HQ (overheats internally) and the normal 24p is the downsampling - the bit-rates are the same I believe.
Unless someone has a way to measure the internal heat of each component while they are testing each of the modes, not sure how we can prove it definitively.
Btw, if Cinerawlight is maybe 1/4 of Raw, then it is still in the ballpark of 8K IPB ie 650Mbps, and I thought all the 8k modes overheat?
Is it the main culprit for the overheat CFE? Could be. I originally thought it was encoding & downsampling and I/O. Maybe the CFE does the most. Yet I have not heaard that the UHS II are too hot to touch, and yet they don't affect the recording times much. And the only difference between the 24HQ (overheats internally) and the normal 24p is the downsampling - the bit-rates are the same I believe.
Unless someone has a way to measure the internal heat of each component while they are testing each of the modes, not sure how we can prove it definitively.
Btw, if Cinerawlight is maybe 1/4 of Raw, then it is still in the ballpark of 8K IPB ie 650Mbps, and I thought all the 8k modes overheat?
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It's just if you had to use a lens to get the most out of the sensor crop. Efs has a smaller image circle that would cover the 1.7 times crop perfectly if we had 4k raw.
If you use EF glass on the super 35 sensors your focal length changes (x1.6 or x1.7 times, it's been a while since I was in the aps-c game so I cant remember)
Basically it comes down to that if you use a 1.7 times crop on a full frame sensor, you end up with a effective (used) sensor size the same as an aps-c/super35 camera has natively. So glass that fits that mount natively would not have any crop when using 4k raw (with crop) on the R5' FF sensor.
That's what I was getting at.
As far as I'm aware, there is PL glass that has image circles to suit the aps-c/super35 sized sensors, which would work really nicely on the R5 if it had 4k that needed the crop.
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true that! I was hoping for backlit buttons as well, so we can easily see them in the dark but well, maybe in EOS R5 mark II
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Can't you just use a torch / back of smartphone and not want things that increase the thermal envelope? Joke !!!!true that! I was hoping for backlit buttons as well, so we can easily see them in the dark but well, maybe in EOS R5 mark II
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1940 adage: "Those who can, do. Those who can't teach."
2020 adage: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, post incessantly about overheating on forums trying desperately to sound important"
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Was it on the Canon Community forum? I wrote that. I documented it because it was listed in multiple places as a feature. Then it was pulled after the camera was announced.
All the images attached are directly from official canon USA websites.
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Maybe they didn't want to include 8K RAW over HDMI because they will have other products, better suited to that task and therefore are investing their engineering efforts there.
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thank you for this, so I guess they had some problems and will return the option...Would love that my R5 is able to do it.
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Could they add 4.2.0 outputs as future additional record options? Maybe match the additional output options to the technical limitations of external recorders so they do become options...
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But, whether using a ff lens or not... there’s still a crop. My understanding is that an EFs lens with 50mm printed on it is 50mm IF that lens is not cropped by the sensor. The FOV is actually 50mm x 1.6 = 80mm on a crop sensor. So, in my opinion, the FF lens vs crop is moot for getting the wide shot. The sensor will crop the FF image circle, so one is cropped either way. I guess what I am not seeing is how in the world choosing an efs lens helps in any possible way. I don’t believe it will make the shot wider.
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I'm just sitting here waiting to get my pre-ordered R6 so I can post here bitching about heat in video modes.
(Not really, I will be way too busy enjoying my new camera to spend a lot of time here).
(Not really, I will be way too busy enjoying my new camera to spend a lot of time here).
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Maybe.
HDMI 4k60p uncompressed is in the region of 12.5Gbps. 4k120 / 8K modes are double that. I just don't know if the current generation of recorders can process double the data and not face issues of their own.
Plus, the recorder vendors will use it as an opportunity, not a negative. "No sir, our Ninja V doesnt support 8K as when we conceived the line, we wanted to optimise it around 4k recording. If we had considered 8k at the time, the costs would have been significantly higher. But don't fear, we have the Ninha VI coming out in 2021 and you will be able to do 8K on that Sir" - all ficticious you understand, I am not quoting anyone.
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I appreciate you taking the time to respond and no hard feelings of course. R5 gang rise up brotha
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Now don't go being reasonable or citing real world experience. If I want to waste $10000 dollars in memory cards, computers, etc to process 8K wedding or cat videos or hours of 4K120, I expect my 3900 dollar mirrorless camera to deliver infinite recording time. I don't have money for a dedicated video camera even though I'm a videographer and can buy one for the same price.
Seriously though, all these perpetual victims don't take kindly to logic and reason. They are not here for a fix, or they would be emailing Canon or making constructive criticisms rather than bashing Canon. They'd rather parrot the same chant over and over and over and over: Cripple hammer, doomed, garbage, unusable, lawsuit, etc. Rather than going and buying the much better Brand X that does it all perfectly, here they are moaning and whining endlessly about how bad Canon is. People who want to change things and who are effective, don't go about it this way, so at this point I consider this all a bunch of troll noise.
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Yes, it has CRAW which is a mildly compressed version of the actual raw image. MRAW and SRAW were formats used in earlier cameras to save card space. They are effectively de-Bayered, downsampled TIFF files that were (in the case of MRAW) about the same size as a CRAW file but with much less information in the file. Frankly MRAW is obsolete at this point.
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