Canon EOS R5 firmware update coming soon, RAW light to be added? [CR2]

[Jonathan Thill]

its raw so the DR is greater.

oh that what that is. i see why the manual is 500 pages. is that timer consistent and realtime or do the numbers go up and down.

The manual is 500 pages because the first 499 pages cover connecting your phone to the Camera

The timer seems to be pretty conservative

 

[yestostills]

From reading some tech specs, the R5 lacks in heat sinks, has a processing board over top of the main processor that traps heat and no fan. This is a technological problem that no firmware is going to solve. This issues will continue to plague The R5 until they do a physical redesign. This is what happens when there isn't enough beta testing because you're in such a rush to outdo the competition. Completely short sighted.
I hope that Canon has the sense to come out with a high pixel, wide dynamic range photo centric camera for the rest of us in the industry.

 

[Ozarker]

A 50mm efs lens on an apsc sensor should have the same focal length has a 50mm lens on a FF sensor.

Same focal length (lens), not the same field of view (crop sensor). You are wrong on this.

 

[Ozarker]

From reading some tech specs, the R5 lacks in heat sinks, has a processing board over top of the main processor that traps heat and no fan. This is a technological problem that no firmware is going to solve. This issues will continue to plague The R5 until they do a physical redesign. This is what happens when there isn't enough beta testing because you're in such a rush to outdo the competition. Completely short sighted.
I hope that Canon has the sense to come out with a high pixel, wide dynamic range photo centric camera for the rest of us in the industry.

The R5 is a photocentric, high megapixel, wide dynamic range camera.

 

[mppix]

At minimum the following should be added:

• 8K output over HDMI... this should be easy on the system as no compression needed and HDMI 2.0 supports 8K @30p. So no excuses not to enable it.

Is this true??
AFAIK HDMI 2.0 supports 4K60. For 4K120 or 8K30 you need HDMI2.1

 

[Jonathan Thill]

From reading some tech specs, the R5 lacks in heat sinks, has a processing board over top of the main processor that traps heat and no fan. This is a technological problem that no firmware is going to solve. This issues will continue to plague The R5 until they do a physical redesign. This is what happens when there isn't enough beta testing because you're in such a rush to outdo the competition. Completely short sighted.
I hope that Canon has the sense to come out with a high pixel, wide dynamic range photo centric camera for the rest of us in the industry.

EVT, DVT, and PVT was run on this hardware for sure, Canon does not need our help with designing hardware....

 

[RayValdez360]

From reading some tech specs, the R5 lacks in heat sinks, has a processing board over top of the main processor that traps heat and no fan. This is a technological problem that no firmware is going to solve. This issues will continue to plague The R5 until they do a physical redesign. This is what happens when there isn't enough beta testing because you're in such a rush to outdo the competition. Completely short sighted.
I hope that Canon has the sense to come out with a high pixel, wide dynamic range photo centric camera for the rest of us in the industry.

How do yall act liek the video futures hurt you. just dont use them. yall been whining about video ever since I been on here. Its not hard to use a camera just for photos and completely ignore the video.

 

[mppix]

I personally would like them not to address the record times except the 30 minutes limit but rather focus on shorting the recovery times. Ok would be nice if 4k60 would be able to film without the limit.
Where the 1080p 120 disappeared it was mention by Jared Polin at the launch. He said it came straight from canon.

Recovery times are purely passive, i.e. how fast the internals can move the heat to the outside.
This is a HW limitation and Cannot really be addressed with firmware (except for maybe allowing higher internal temperatures in general).

 

[Skux]

"Fixed a bug where the camera overheated. The camera now records for unlimited time in all video modes. We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused for video creators wanting to utilise the camera to its full potential."

 

[DBounce]

Is this true??
AFAIK HDMI 2.0 supports 4K60. For 4K120 or 8K30 you need HDMI2.1

HDMI 2.0 supports up to 8k@30 8 bit. But it’s not actually documented anywhere which standard the R5 has. Even after speaking with Canon tech support I could not learn weather it is 2.0 or 2.1. So it remains a mystery as to which spec is supported.

 

[SteveC]

From reading some tech specs, the R5 lacks in heat sinks, has a processing board over top of the main processor that traps heat and no fan. This is a technological problem that no firmware is going to solve. This issues will continue to plague The R5 until they do a physical redesign. This is what happens when there isn't enough beta testing because you're in such a rush to outdo the competition. Completely short sighted.
I hope that Canon has the sense to come out with a high pixel, wide dynamic range photo centric camera for the rest of us in the industry.

This is exactly what you have, as built. You can shoot photos all day, and it's excellent at it to boot. If anything the heat sink issues make it LESS of a video camera than it might seem--which seems to be what you want, so I'm not sure what you think you're complaining about.

 

[DBounce]

Recovery times are purely passive, i.e. how fast the internals can move the heat to the outside.
This is a HW limitation and Cannot really be addressed with firmware (except for maybe allowing higher internal temperatures in general).

And you know this how? Because it sounds like an assumption, whereas in testing there seems to be something other than heat dissipation driving recovery times. Indeed, it seems that regardless of temperature the recovery times remain constant.

 

[GastonShutters]

At minimum the following should be added:

• 8K output over HDMI... this should be easy on the system as no compression needed and HDMI 2.0 supports 8K @30p. So no excuses not to enable it.
• 4K HQ @24p internal recording without recording time limits.
• Non-recording operations should not impact available recording time.
• Recovery time needs to be removed. Imposing a record limits is one thing, but requiring 2 hours plus to restore the camera to full functionality is frankly ridiculous. I believe these limits are artificial. And testing would seem to support this suspicion.

I don't think HDMI 2.0 can support 8K (Not a video expert) and does Atomos make any recorder that can record more than 4K 60? I know they are working to record at 4k 120 for the A7SIII

 

[GastonShutters]

what does Increased record time limits (but don’t expect a huge boost), means?
they should fix to an appropriate state. I'm not expecting hours of continuous recording but decent enough. I'm only interested with 4kHQ.
the 4KHQ record times now is inconsistent and unpredictable... simply useless.

From all the tests the camera and sensor are not the main source of limitations. Perhaps with this new firmware they can tone down the heating issues. I think that if anyone is shooting in 8k or 4K 60 you better off with an external recorder, cheaper media for more storage and non of the heat issues.

 

[Besisika]

you going to be fine with a 1.9x crop factor (or whatever it is?)

I am, most probably in the minority, but I will take 1.9x crop factor. They won't go for it though, given what Youtubers would do to them.

 

[dcm]

Yep I said that also in my earlier posts....

Only recorder I could find which supports any 8K is the Atomos Neon and I don't believe the module has been released. Most of the recorders I looked at, stopped at 4k60p

HDMI supports 4K120, again, 4:2:0 only, and the only Sony camera which does 4k120 to the Ninja sends it as 4k60p....

So no RAW support, no 8k support, no 120 support for external. And maybe that's cause there hasn't been a need, or maybe cause it's difficult to design. Probably why Canon either dropped the feature(s) or design it to work internal with the associated heat implications.

Hmm, so it appears Canon's internal recording is a bit ahead of the dedicated external recorders, even with its limitations. I imagine the folks building external recorders won't be rolling them out until they solve the overheating issues so you can have unlimited recording. It will be interesting to see how long that takes and what measures they have to take.

 

[SteveC]

Hmm, so it appears Canon's internal recording is a bit ahead of the dedicated external recorders, even with its limitations. I imagine the folks building external recorders won't be rolling them out until they solve the overheating issues so you can have unlimited recording. It will be interesting to see how long that takes and what measures they have to take.

There's always the possibility of a Cray-2 Waterfall for cooling.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Cray2.jpeg/220px-Cray2.jpeg

 

[cornieleous]

From reading some tech specs, the R5 lacks in heat sinks, has a processing board over top of the main processor that traps heat and no fan. This is a technological problem that no firmware is going to solve. This issues will continue to plague The R5 until they do a physical redesign. This is what happens when there isn't enough beta testing because you're in such a rush to outdo the competition. Completely short sighted.
I hope that Canon has the sense to come out with a high pixel, wide dynamic range photo centric camera for the rest of us in the industry.

Perhaps you should have beta tested your post longer because it seems like you are just taking a jab at the R5 for no reason and from a position of being uninformed. You made no thorough or credible arguments and seem to not realize the R5 is already what you hope Canon has the sense to come out with. Canon are not the ones being completely short sighted here.

The R5 already has no issues with photos with incredible noise and DR performance. It does quality detailed stills and basic 4k video all day long without any problems, with a great workflow better than any past Canon and arguably competitor offerings. Do you even have the camera or just another on the hype train bashing? Have you bothered to go see the sensor measurements? Have you listened to anyone who actually has the camera and is getting great results? What is your background in electronics design? Do you also have experience in mechanical engineering with specific focus on 3D thermal analyses? Your understanding of how heat sinks work is flawed if you think they can be kept in a tiny enclosure without adequate ambient airflow, and this body could never hold a fan. Adding all that garbage would ruin an already great stills camera and defeat half its features. Your claim that a processing board 'over' (it is behind it) the processor is some clear flaw is ridiculous. How do you know the PCB doesn't have a massive copper fill to move heat? Have you seen the PCB layer breakout? Without a 3D thermal analysis on an entire device this complex, one which considers component power dissipation, material thermal resistivity, ambient conditions, etc. and does that in all operating modes, none of this speculation means a thing.

The R5 is a powerhouse in a tiny body, obviously it can generate some heat in the high throughput video modes. So what? No other camera this size can even come close because no one has tried. The options are remove features or realize it is a great tool with limitations many will find acceptable. The R5 is what Canon intended all along, a mirrorless 5D5 replacement STILLS camera with limited very high quality video that offers incredible value for SOME people and others should go buy something better suited to their work. The only thing that continues to plague the R5 are the people who have no idea what it was designed for and think it is somehow fatally flawed.

 

[Bert63]

I'm just sitting here waiting to get my pre-ordered R6 so I can post here bitching about heat in video modes.

(Not really, I will be way too busy enjoying my new camera to spend a lot of time here).

I’ll stop by often to post good sample images unlike all the other ungrateful cretins who cut in line ahead of me.

 

[Bert63]

I appreciate you taking the time to respond and no hard feelings of course. R5 gang rise up brotha

When you’re right, you’re right.

I had a double shot of Ensure this morning and was feeling a little feisty I guess. I changed the tennis balls on my walker and I’m better now.

I also put my pearls under my shirt so we won’t be having that discussion again.