The Canon EOS R5c is coming in Q1 2022 [CR3]

[foxfender]

Guess I'll wait for less scrupulous competitors to make the ultimate sub 10k FF solo video workhorse then

You’ll have to wait quite a long time then I think. Unless if it’s video you can do Sony, they’re good at it with the A1. it’s very solid but no DCI nor 8K raw

 

[EOS 4 Life]

C70 will keep internal NDs, XLR inputs, SDI output and better dynamic range over the R5C, hence the price

C70 has no SDI output.

 

[foxfender]

Who says R5c will not be part of the cinema line?
1DC was.

It will be, but not packed with those features (NDS, XLR, TC) that would kill the rest of the line

 

[FrenchFry]

Can I buy one?

In the year 2021? Yes, most likely you will be able to pre-order and purchase an R3. We still have 6 months to see what Canon is bringing to market this year, both in terms of bodies and lenses.

 

[foxfender]

C70 has no SDI output.

Sorry my mistake I was actually thinking about timecode

 

[privatebydesign]

C70 will keep internal NDs, XLR inputs, SDI output and better dynamic range over the R5C, hence the price

I know, I said that. But you are putting an 8k ff sensor with superb HQ oversampled 4K against a 4K S35 sensor for very similar money. I know those that need XLR’s and SDI’s etc appreciate and would get the C70 anyway, again, I know the differences between the two. My open question was that it is an interesting marketing and pricing conundrum for Canon.

Personally if I was a video shooter the C70 makes much more sense to me than a video camera that gives up nearly every other video centric feature for a headline 8k. I’m just wondering out loud where Canon will draw the line on R5C features and price.

 

[padam]

C70 will keep internal NDs, XLR inputs, SDI output and better dynamic range over the R5C, hence the price

I know, I said that. But you are putting an 8k ff sensor with superb HQ oversampled 4K against a 4K S35 sensor for very similar money.

The C70 image is actually superior to the R5 (a bit less digital)
4k60p (if not shot in crop mode) and 4k120p much higher quality as well, the R5 gets softer in those modes and I don't see them enabling 8k60p in this generation of cameras.

So no, an actively cooled R5 is still only a companion to the C70, not a replacement.

 

[foxfender]

I know, I said that. But you are putting an 8k ff sensor with superb HQ oversampled 4K against a 4K S35 sensor for very similar money. I know those that need XLR’s and SDI’s etc appreciate and would get the C70 anyway, again, I know the differences between the two. My open question was that it is an interesting marketing and pricing conundrum for Canon.

Personally if I was a video shooter the C70 makes much more sense to me than a video camera that gives up nearly every other video centric feature for a headline 8k. I’m just wondering out loud where Canon will draw the line on R5C features and price.

My guess is it will be similarly priced to the R5 but with a smaller sensor size like 35,4MP to differentiate it and segment the line

 

[foxfender]

The C70 image is also superior to the R5 (a bit less digital), 4k60p (if not shot in crop mode) and 4k120p much higher quality as well.

Indeed

 

[EOS 4 Life]

It will be, but not packed with those features (NDS, XLR, TC) that would kill the rest of the line

An 8K cinema line is supposed to be coming.
It is a bit early to say that one camera in the line would kill off the others when none exist yet.
I hope that Canon makes the first camera with internal NDs and IBIS.
Since no one else has done it, I will not chalk it up to conspiracy if it does not happen.

 

[snappy604]

That said, I'm troubled by the heat of my R5 for still shooting. On a warm day in a mostly shady back yard, I shot 192 still images in 16 minutes, following a 55 minute break after shooting a couple dozen images. That's 12 shots per minute.

It gets hot at the grip area. Uncomfortable enough that rotating to vertical to hold the battery grip is a relief. Enough to make one understand the concept of low-temperature burns. I shot some images with my phone using my Leupold LTO, which does not show absolute temps.

It shows the hot areas rear, with card extended, side, top and front.

The first impression is that the card is the "smoking gun" but it wasn't alarmingly hot more than the rest, and I suspect it just reflects interior temp, not the heat source.

the cards do generate an incredible amount of heat which is then trapped inside and I assume spreads. I've had the card on an external reader (prograde also) and it gets nasty hot after transferring files. its incredible how how cards can get.. same with batteries. This used to occur on earlier cameras (like my 80d) but they were pushing much less data so more tolerance.. we're now pushing incredible amounts or data, so doesn't surprise me it gets hoooooot, esp with amazing weather sealing.. no good way to dissipate it.

it basically requires a rethink and probably some tough choices on weather sealing vs heat dissipation. Active cooling probably compromises weather sealing. Maybe specific areas can be made to act like heat sinks, but not an expert (will readily admit)

really noticed it during a recent heat wave, it was incredibly uncomfortable to hold and battery seemed to drain faster in the heat. Still love the camera though.

 

[privatebydesign]

My guess is it will be similarly priced to the R5 but with a smaller sensor size like 35,4MP to differentiate it and segment the line

Not a chance. It will have the same sensor (for cost) and be a lot more expensive than the R5. My guess puts it very close to the C70 which is why I commented.

 

[snappy604]

The C70 demonstrates why the original R5 didn't include a fan. A fan makes the camera "fat".

big boned...

 

[foxfender]

An 8K cinema line is supposed to be coming.
It is a bit early to say that one camera in the line would kill off the others when none exist yet.
I hope that Canon makes the first camera with internal NDs and IBIS.
Since no one else has done it, I will not chalk it up to conspiracy if it does not happen.

I think the tech is years ahead in a lot of fields but companies just have to follow a route map.

It’s not conspiracy, it’s business

 

[EOS 4 Life]

In the year 2021? Yes, most likely you will be able to pre-order and purchase an R3. We still have 6 months to see what Canon is bringing to market this year, both in terms of bodies and lenses.

You seem like a year half full type of person.

 

[foxfender]

Not a chance. It will have the same sensor (for cost) and be a lot more expensive than the R5. My guess puts it very close to the C70 which is why I commented.

Could definitely be that way

 

[FrenchFry]

You seem like a year half full type of person.

Just naively hoping the R3 will join me on a trip in November. Trying to stay positive in spite of the announcement delays.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

4k60p (if not shot in crop mode)

Why would you compare super 35 4k60p to FF 4K60p?
We never have to shoot full-frame 4K on the R5, but it is there if we need it.
C70 does not have that option with RF lenses.

 

[FrenchFry]

With product differentiation between the R5 and the R5c, there is room to hope that some day the R5 might actually get a set of firmware upgrades focused on stills. (Choice of FPS on electronic shutter, for instance.) That's the dream.

 

[Juangrande]

Nice news, but I still hope for any R7 rumors that are not too far away from reality

Unless it also comes with its own line of smaller mount and cheaper lenses I’m not understanding the need as you could just crop tighter (the R5 has a 1.6x crop option in camera) the R cameras are already smaller in form than a dslr, any smaller and they’d be cumbersome to use like the Sony bodies.