32 more lenses doesn't seem a whole lot to me. The chip shortage must be really bad. I guess I better place my order if I want any thing. That would only leave 31 lenses for the rest of you.
Oh, wait.... You're talking about 32 new lens models, not 32 new lenses.
Thank you for the proper sorting out.The existing RF lineup can be roughly broken up into 5 tiers:
Tier 1 - Statement lenses, super telephotos.
28-70 f/2L, 400mm f/2.8L, 600mm f/4L, 800mm f/5.6L, 1200mm f/8L
Tier 2a - Upper tier L workhorse lenses
50mm f/1.2L, 85mm f/1.2L, 15-35mm f/2.8L, 24-70mm f/2.8L, 70-200mm f/2.8L, 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L, 5.2mm f/2.8L
Tier 2b - Lower tier L workhorse lenses
14-35mm f/4L, 24-105mm f/4L, 70-200mm f/4L, 100mm f/2.8L Macro
Tier 3 - Enthusiast
35mm f/1.8, 85mm f/2, 600mm f/11, 800mm f/11, 24-105mm f/4-7.1, 24-240mm f/4-6.3, 100-400mm f/5.6-8
Tier 4 - Entry Level
16mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8
Looking for gaps at each tier gives us some obvious lenses to conjecture, including some already rumoured:
Tier 1:
Wide angle f/2L zoom, Mild telephoto f/2L zoom, 200mm f/2(1.8?)L, 300mm f/2.8L, 500mm f/4L
Tier 2a:
Fisheye L prime, right ultra wide angle L prime, 24mm f/1.4(1.2?)L, 35mm f/1.2L, 100/105mm f/1.4L, 135mm f/1.8(1.4?)L, tilt-shift prime lineup, 10-24mm f/4L, 200-400mm f/4L, 180mm f/2.8L macro, ultrawide fisheye L zoom
Tier 2b:
200mm f/2.8L, 24-70mm f/4L, 70-300mm f/4-5.6L
Tier 3:
20/24/28/40/50mm primes with IS, light macro capabilities, and apertures in the f/1.8-2.8 range. 18-45mm f/4-5.6. Compact enthusiast macro lens (100mm f/4 IS?)
Tier 4:
24/28/35/40mm f/2.8 pancake-ish primes without IS. Ultra cheap standard zoom kit lens, ultra wide, and telephoto zoom
Add in cinema lenses, some more "experimental" lenses like the 600/800 enthusiast telephotos or 5.2 dual fisheye, and few lenses that aren't in line with what Canon has done in the past (20/28/40mm L primes?), and 32 lenses is quite doable.
Tier crafting is what we do when camera craft gear prices are going through the roof.It never struck me to establish my own tiers of Canon lenses. I just see a variety of products with various capabilities, tradeoffs, and prices.
Thanks, nice work formulating a tier system of RF lenses and their uses/markets, this is great! Would be nice if Canon did that!The existing RF lineup can be roughly broken up into 5 tiers:
Tier 1 - Statement lenses, super telephotos.
28-70 f/2L, 400mm f/2.8L, 600mm f/4L, 800mm f/5.6L, 1200mm f/8L
Tier 2a - Upper tier L workhorse lenses
50mm f/1.2L, 85mm f/1.2L, 15-35mm f/2.8L, 24-70mm f/2.8L, 70-200mm f/2.8L, 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L, 5.2mm f/2.8L
Tier 2b - Lower tier L workhorse lenses
14-35mm f/4L, 24-105mm f/4L, 70-200mm f/4L, 100mm f/2.8L Macro
Tier 3 - Enthusiast
35mm f/1.8, 85mm f/2, 600mm f/11, 800mm f/11, 24-105mm f/4-7.1, 24-240mm f/4-6.3, 100-400mm f/5.6-8
Tier 4 - Entry Level
16mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8
Looking for gaps at each tier gives us some obvious lenses to conjecture, including some already rumoured:
Tier 1:
Wide angle f/2L zoom, Mild telephoto f/2L zoom, 200mm f/2(1.8?)L, 300mm f/2.8L, 500mm f/4L
Tier 2a:
Fisheye L prime, right ultra wide angle L prime, 24mm f/1.4(1.2?)L, 35mm f/1.2L, 100/105mm f/1.4L, 135mm f/1.8(1.4?)L, tilt-shift prime lineup, 10-24mm f/4L, 200-400mm f/4L, 180mm f/2.8L macro, ultrawide fisheye L zoom
Tier 2b:
200mm f/2.8L, 24-70mm f/4L, 70-300mm f/4-5.6L
Tier 3:
20/24/28/40/50mm primes with IS, light macro capabilities, and apertures in the f/1.8-2.8 range. 18-45mm f/4-5.6. Compact enthusiast macro lens (100mm f/4 IS?)
Tier 4:
24/28/35/40mm f/2.8 pancake-ish primes without IS. Ultra cheap standard zoom kit lens, ultra wide, and telephoto zoom
Add in cinema lenses, some more "experimental" lenses like the 600/800 enthusiast telephotos or 5.2 dual fisheye, and few lenses that aren't in line with what Canon has done in the past (20/28/40mm L primes?), and 32 lenses is quite doable.
Perhaps we'll see something like this with each popular zoom focal length:Only 32 new lenses? After the 8 new variations of 70-200 and another half dozen 70-300 zooms, plus 5 different 50mm primes, will there be anything interesting launched?
A good list.The existing RF lineup can be roughly broken up into 5 tiers:
Tier 1 - Statement lenses, super telephotos.
28-70 f/2L, 400mm f/2.8L, 600mm f/4L, 800mm f/5.6L, 1200mm f/8L
Tier 2a - Upper tier L workhorse lenses
50mm f/1.2L, 85mm f/1.2L, 15-35mm f/2.8L, 24-70mm f/2.8L, 70-200mm f/2.8L, 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L, 5.2mm f/2.8L
Tier 2b - Lower tier L workhorse lenses
14-35mm f/4L, 24-105mm f/4L, 70-200mm f/4L, 100mm f/2.8L Macro
Tier 3 - Enthusiast
35mm f/1.8, 85mm f/2, 600mm f/11, 800mm f/11, 24-105mm f/4-7.1, 24-240mm f/4-6.3, 100-400mm f/5.6-8
Tier 4 - Entry Level
16mm f/2.8, 50mm f/1.8
Looking for gaps at each tier gives us some obvious lenses to conjecture, including some already rumoured:
Tier 1:
Wide angle f/2L zoom, Mild telephoto f/2L zoom, 200mm f/2(1.8?)L, 300mm f/2.8L, 500mm f/4L
Tier 2a:
Fisheye L prime, right ultra wide angle L prime, 24mm f/1.4(1.2?)L, 35mm f/1.2L, 100/105mm f/1.4L, 135mm f/1.8(1.4?)L, tilt-shift prime lineup, 10-24mm f/4L, 200-400mm f/4L, 180mm f/2.8L macro, ultrawide fisheye L zoom
Tier 2b:
200mm f/2.8L, 24-70mm f/4L, 70-300mm f/4-5.6L
Tier 3:
20/24/28/40/50mm primes with IS, light macro capabilities, and apertures in the f/1.8-2.8 range. 18-45mm f/4-5.6. Compact enthusiast macro lens (100mm f/4 IS?)
Tier 4:
24/28/35/40mm f/2.8 pancake-ish primes without IS. Ultra cheap standard zoom kit lens, ultra wide, and telephoto zoom
Add in cinema lenses, some more "experimental" lenses like the 600/800 enthusiast telephotos or 5.2 dual fisheye, and few lenses that aren't in line with what Canon has done in the past (20/28/40mm L primes?), and 32 lenses is quite doable.
It has been noted in this forums before that, as far as optical design goes, there's little benefit in shorter flange distance. The super teles work with extenders that sticks into the lens because the last element is not flush to the flange.As someone new to Canon, I’m quickly learning that their “design efficiencies” = adding a built-in mount adapter, maybe a TC, and charging $4-6k more. Great for the suits, great for the SKU count, not so great for us.
I think @northlarch’s point was in reference to the new 800/5.6 and 1200/8, which are the recent 400/2.8 III and 600/4 III with a built-in 2x TC and bolted-on RF adapter.So the same optical formula is used for the RF mount, with a longer barrel.
IIRC, I've read somewhere the back element (just before the 2x TC) was modified.I think @northlarch’s point was in reference to the new 800/5.6 and 1200/8, which are the recent 400/2.8 III and 600/4 III with a built-in 2x TC and bolted-on RF adapter.
No doubt. Just as the switchable 1.4x in the 200-400/4 is slightly modified from the standalone version. I suppose that changing 1-2 elements slightly technically makes it a ‘new design’ but clearly it’s not, really. It’s not a coincidence that the 1200/8 has elements and groups that are the sum of those in the 600/4 III and 2x TC, or that the MFD is identical.IIRC, I've read somewhere the back element (just before the 2x TC) was modified.
I'll break my answer to twoNo doubt. Just as the switchable 1.4x in the 200-400/4 is slightly modified from the standalone version. I suppose that changing 1-2 elements slightly technically makes it a ‘new design’ but clearly it’s not, really. It’s not a coincidence that the 1200/8 has elements and groups that are the sum of those in the 600/4 III and 2x TC, or that the MFD is identical.
It is more correct to say that Canon combined the lens element of the 400 and 600 with the lens elements of a 2x TC.I think @northlarch’s point was in reference to the new 800/5.6 and 1200/8, which are the recent 400/2.8 III and 600/4 III with a built-in 2x TC and bolted-on RF adapter.
And at that...the US doesn't use the old Imperial gallon, we use a different gallon that's less than four liters.$1 a gallon... what's a gallon? </ searches internet > "ancient imperial unit of volume that most countries stopped using in the 1960's"... wow there was a different unit before the litre became world standard for volume... you learn something new every day!
If you knew your most-desired lens was coming, you’d wait to buy it. If you don’t know, maybe you buy an available lens then when your most-desired lens comes along you buy that, too. Canon wins. Thus, no roadmap.I just wish they had a roadmap for a roadmap instead of us having to guess what is coming.