Worst of Canon 2023: It’s Unanimous

[EOS 4 Life]

Hmm, sarcasm alert failure
All corporates release dodgy products but who knows, maybe they will sell!

The Rebel T7 is one of Canon's best selling products.
It lacks in camera charging and a touch screen.
The M100 was never one of Canon's best selling products.
People wanted the R100 to be the new M100 but it is the new 100D.
Canon makes what sells.

 

[EOS 4 Life]

The Sony 200-600 is a better lens in terms of resolution, ease of zoom and weather sealing

You would bet your money on Sony weather sealing?

 

[Richard CR]

Hmm, sarcasm alert failure
All corporates release dodgy products but who knows, maybe they will sell!

hah!

Craig and I were talking and I said .. "i didn't know if he was being sarcastic"

 

[Richard CR]

You would bet your money on Sony weather sealing?

not to mention 3 joint weather sealing.
and for 600 more?

also I'm not sure TDP would test this at far enough distances to be relevant.

 

[TonyNorthrup]

Funny because I liked the R100. It's not for me, or really anyone who watches our YouTube channel, but it's perfect for a family member of mine. She came to me recently complaining that her Canon T3 broke (after 10 years) and she wanted to get another T3 but they didn't make them anymore. The R100 is pretty much exactly a T3. She's only going to use the viewfinder, because she's older and that's how she learned photography, and also she refuses to use reading glasses. She thinks cameras should cost about $300, so the extra $100 or $200 to step up to an R50 would seem like a lot.

Anyway, the R100 is as basic and cheap as you can get, but that's what some people want. There's really no other new mirrorless camera at that price point to recommend instead, so how can we complain?

 

[esglord]

While I’d advise a used R10 instead, for new, the R100 seems to be better reviewed than the competing products at the price point. However, dare I say, this camera is missing the R’s Touch Bar.

 

[scyrene]

It is indeed a fact, from the source that was ever kind to Canon.

Canon RF 200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM Lens Image Quality

View the image quality delivered by the Canon RF 200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM Lens using ISO 12233 Resolution Chart lab test results. Compare the image quality of this lens with other lenses.

www.the-digital-picture.com

Even if that's true, like most existing R-series users I'm not in the market for a Sony lens so I'm not sure it's particularly relevant.

 

[scyrene]

I too was a bit surprised at the lack of a touchscreen. But cynically, I might suggest it gives them an easy way to release an R200 in short order.

 

[Del Paso]

I too was a bit surprised at the lack of a touchscreen. But cynically, I might suggest it gives them an easy way to release an R200 in short order.

An R200 without a sensor?

 

[Gino_FOTO]

Even if that's true, like most existing R-series users I'm not in the market for a Sony lens so I'm not sure it's particularly relevant.

it's important to have relevant reference point outside of Canon bubble, automotive paralel would be, even lifetime Toyota buyer should know what Hyundai offer in the same price bracket etc.

 

[Marphoto]

It is indeed a fact, from the source that was ever kind to Canon.

Canon RF 200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM Lens Image Quality

View the image quality delivered by the Canon RF 200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM Lens using ISO 12233 Resolution Chart lab test results. Compare the image quality of this lens with other lenses.

www.the-digital-picture.com

I would like to see it compared to the Nikon 180-600 as well though digital picture doesn’t tend to test them.

 

[Marphoto]

How about the best thing from Canon in 2023, which after a lot of consideration isn’t a lens, a body, or even a new release, rather it’s CPS. No manufacturers’ support is as great. Kudos Cannon!

 

[Marphoto]

The Sony 200-600 is a better lens in terms of resolution, ease of zoom and weather sealing (it has superb sharpness at the long end as reported by opticallimits.com). But, it has one huge drawback: it weighs with the hood and 1.4xTC 2.575kg, which is way too heavy for me for carrying around and hand holding whereas the RF 200-800 at 2.133 kg is just within my capability.

It’s clear that you’ve never used one as weight is but one factor and usability and functionality are equally if not more important. The Sony is optically faster, well balanced, sharp wide open, and the internal zoom is pure with a half a twist as opposed to the Canon periscope which one has to rack 4x. You really need to get out more.

 

[neuroanatomist]

Sigh. I wish I could say that I’m surprised by the level of entitled cluelessness here, but I’m not. Fortunately, some people get that the price gap between the R100 and R50 is huge for a large fraction of the world. At one point, that difference was our household weekly gross income, and we were still better off than much of the world. Now, for us it’s a decent dinner for two not including the wine, but I haven’t forgotten.

People claiming a touchscreen should have been included because they only saved $10 by leaving it out lack an understanding of business. That $10 likely represents a significant fraction of the margin at this price point. The marketing team selected a price target, leadership set a margin, and the design team had to get the cost of goods aligned.

The real question is how well the R100 is selling. I don’t know the answer to that, nor does anyone on this forum. Canon does.

Anecdotally, the R100 + 18-45 kit is the #4 best seller in mirrorless on Amazon US right now. The ‘much better for only a couple hundred more’ R50 is at #10. To paraphrase a character played by Tom Hanks, “Better is as better sells.”

Funny how the ‘unanimous’ (n=2) worst product of the year that is ‘insulting to the price-sensitive target audience in the developing world’ seems to be selling quite well even in a first-world country.

 

[Navism]

Canon releases R100 which is replaced the old dslr.
I am living in Taiwan now.
I found that snapshot machine is using Canon. I saw one near my place ia using R10.
If the company aave the money. They can use r100. They will save many money if they buy over hundred.
I lived in Japan and some machine shows they use Nikon. If Canon releases R100 for those companies. I think canon would know how to deal with them.

And you guys can search. Canon bullet time or Canon bullet time R100.
I think those company will start to use r100 to eeplace their old cameras. If you search Canon bullet time in youtube. Some people needs to use over hundred with kit lens.
This one is an example.

It is so crazy to use many cameras.
It don\'t need use 1d or 5d. Right?

 

[john1970]

The Sony 200-600 is a better lens in terms of resolution, ease of zoom and weather sealing (it has superb sharpness at the long end as reported by opticallimits.com). But, it has one huge drawback: it weighs with the hood and 1.4xTC 2.575kg, which is way too heavy for me for carrying around and hand holding whereas the RF 200-800 at 2.133 kg is just within my capability.

Agreed. I have purchased the 200-800 mm lens, but from my testing it can be a bit soft wide open at 800 mm. I say sometime because other times it is very sharp. I can address the resolution short comings in post , but I am considering returning the lens for a refund.

 

[neuroanatomist]

It’s clear that you’ve never used one as weight is but one factor and usability and functionality are equally if not more important. The Sony is optically faster, well balanced, sharp wide open, and the internal zoom is pure with a half a twist as opposed to the Canon periscope which one has to rack 4x.

FYI, @AlanF has previously used the 300/2.8 that is heavier than the Sony 200-600, and the 400/4 DO that’s the same weight.

You really need to get out more.

@AlanF has posted excellent images from all over the world. Funny how you don’t seem to have posted any images, at all. Maybe you just use that big heavy lens as a dumbbell, or to be seen holding something long and heavy. Almost as if you’re overcompensating for something.

Too bad when you changed your username from @armd to @Marphoto, you didn’t change your attitude. You really need to stop posting things that make you look like an ass.

 

[john1970]

Sigh. I wish I could say that I’m surprised by the level of entitled cluelessness here, but I’m not. Fortunately, some people get that the price gap between the R100 and R50 is huge for a large fraction of the world. At one point, that difference was our household weekly gross income, and we were still better off than much of the world. Now, for us it’s a decent dinner for two not including the wine, but I haven’t forgotten.

People claiming a touchscreen should have been included because they only saved $10 by leaving it out lack an understanding of business. That $10 likely represents a significant fraction of the margin at this price point. The marketing team selected a price target, leadership set a margin, and the design team had to get the cost of goods aligned.

The real question is how well the R100 is selling. I don’t know the answer to that, nor does anyone on this forum. Canon does.

Anecdotally, the R100 + 18-45 kit is the #4 best seller in mirrorless on Amazon US right now. The ‘much better for only a couple hundred more’ R50 is at #10. To paraphrase a character played by Tom Hanks, “Better is as better sells.”

Funny how the ‘unanimous’ (n=2) worst product of the year that is ‘insulting to the price-sensitive target audience in the developing world’ seems to be selling quite well even in a first-world country.

Good points and perspective.

 

[Tom W]

It is indeed a fact, from the source that was ever kind to Canon.

Canon RF 200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM Lens Image Quality

View the image quality delivered by the Canon RF 200-800mm F6.3-9 IS USM Lens using ISO 12233 Resolution Chart lab test results. Compare the image quality of this lens with other lenses.

www.the-digital-picture.com

Contrast seems a touch better on the Sony - as long as you can't see the red fringing.

 

[AlanF]

It’s clear that you’ve never used one as weight is but one factor and usability and functionality are equally if not more important. The Sony is optically faster, well balanced, sharp wide open, and the internal zoom is pure with a half a twist as opposed to the Canon periscope which one has to rack 4x. You really need to get out more.

If you followed the bird threads you'll see I'm one of the most prolific posters as I get out daily. As @neuroanatomist pointed out, I used to use both the 300mm F/2.8 II and the 400mm DO II, both usually with a 2xTC, and I have had enough of hiking and shooting with lenses in the 2.5 kg range. I wrote clearly that the Sony is superior to the Canon 200-800 for ease of zoom as well as other features. I tried one once and if it was lighter, I would have bought one - weight is one factor that can be a deal breaker.