Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming March 9
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
Sure, but I was talking about the *os* - and with recent hardware, that's 3gb which allows for a ~2gb LR process as lots of things are loaded alongside with windows.
I did run LR3 x86 for some time, and with a smaller catalog it's perfectly usable - but as all drivers are available in x64 and win x64 provides additional security, imho there's little reason not to use it unless you're on a tablet with a cpu that doesn't support the amd64 extensions.
GmwDarkroom said:
Sure, but I was talking about the *os* - and with recent hardware, that's 3gb which allows for a ~2gb LR process as lots of things are loaded alongside with windows.
I did run LR3 x86 for some time, and with a smaller catalog it's perfectly usable - but as all drivers are available in x64 and win x64 provides additional security, imho there's little reason not to use it unless you're on a tablet with a cpu that doesn't support the amd64 extensions.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
I will wait until they get the bugs out of version 6 before purchasing the upgrade. Usually toward the end of life cycle of a version there are some good deals. The current version, 5.7, does everything I need it to do. For me the best feature is 'synch,' which allows me to be really efficient when editing a time lapse set of photos.
I will wait until they get the bugs out of version 6 before purchasing the upgrade. Usually toward the end of life cycle of a version there are some good deals. The current version, 5.7, does everything I need it to do. For me the best feature is 'synch,' which allows me to be really efficient when editing a time lapse set of photos.
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As you know, the CC bundle includes both LR and PS. I do not want PS. Only LR. € 12,99 a month are NOT cheap for LR only, when I can buy a full retail license for around € 80.
"Really cheap" to me would mean ... Adobe LR CC at 99 cent a month - similar to what other "cloud apps" cost.
As far as PS is concerned, I really absolutely dislike everything about it ... namely
* the whole editing concept requiring stacks of layers (what are those good for, LR works fine without them)
* tool palettes strewn all over the place, lack of a coherent menu system
* being forced to memorize dozens of keyboard shortcuts [I never use any except CTRL-C,V,F]
* use of bloated file formats - PSDs/TIFFs, instead of just RAWs and jpgs (as in LR)
* don't ever need 95% of the software's theoretical functionality [I don't do composites of any sort, no stacking, no HDRs, always work from just one single capture/RAW file]
* absurd pricing level, especially for the 5% of functionality useful to me
Got no trouble whatsoever using Lightroom, since its UI is much more clear cut and intuitive (to me). And more similar to the UI in MS Office / Windows.
tss68nl said:
As you know, the CC bundle includes both LR and PS. I do not want PS. Only LR. € 12,99 a month are NOT cheap for LR only, when I can buy a full retail license for around € 80.
"Really cheap" to me would mean ... Adobe LR CC at 99 cent a month - similar to what other "cloud apps" cost.
As far as PS is concerned, I really absolutely dislike everything about it ... namely
* the whole editing concept requiring stacks of layers (what are those good for, LR works fine without them)
* tool palettes strewn all over the place, lack of a coherent menu system
* being forced to memorize dozens of keyboard shortcuts [I never use any except CTRL-C,V,F]
* use of bloated file formats - PSDs/TIFFs, instead of just RAWs and jpgs (as in LR)
* don't ever need 95% of the software's theoretical functionality [I don't do composites of any sort, no stacking, no HDRs, always work from just one single capture/RAW file]
* absurd pricing level, especially for the 5% of functionality useful to me
Got no trouble whatsoever using Lightroom, since its UI is much more clear cut and intuitive (to me). And more similar to the UI in MS Office / Windows.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
Actually, it's a bit more complex than this. 32 bit CPU can access more than 4GB of physical RAM (exactly how 16 bit ones could access more than 64K...), but different version of Windows put different limits for how much physical memory is actually usable, regardless of how much is installed (anybody interested can look here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx).
Then, applications don't see physical memory. Each of them sees a virtual one. In a 32 bit system each application always sees 4GB of virtual memory (regardless of how much physical memory is installed) - just 2GB are usable by the application, the other 2 are used to "map" DLLs and other things that need a memory address. The /3GB switch allows for increasing the former at the expenses of the latter. 32 bit applications running on a 64 bit OS, can see up to the full 4GB of virtual memory.
Virtual memory is mapped to physical one (or even disk swap space) using some CPU features designed for that - since at least the Intel 80386.
The operating systems takes care of that (and managing virtual RAM requires RAM as well...), and manages its own RAM (separated from that used by applications by the CPU protection mechanism). How much physical RAM is available depends on how much is actually used by the OS and all running applications. If physical RAM gets scarce, the OS swaps some virtual RAM to disk, and it slow downs a lot applications that got memory swapped to disk.
But there are also other things that need a memory address. For example, video cards memory
To allow the system access the video card memory, it needs to be "mapped" to a memory address within the physical 4GB boundary, and this is made at the expenses of RAM. RAM could be "relocated" above the 4GB boundary by the hardware - but in doing so it can become inaccessible by some 32 bit OS. Thereby, the larger the video card memory, the more usable RAM is "wasted" (or the video card may use less memory than you bought if for...)
Another issue is how application use memory. Memory can become "fragmented", and an application may fail to get a memory block large enough when needed even if there is available memory, but it's not "contiguous". That can happen more easily when the virtual memory overall size is smaller - as it happens on 32 bit systems.
For memory intensive applications, today using a 32 bit system makes little sense.
Marsu42 said:
Actually, it's a bit more complex than this. 32 bit CPU can access more than 4GB of physical RAM (exactly how 16 bit ones could access more than 64K...), but different version of Windows put different limits for how much physical memory is actually usable, regardless of how much is installed (anybody interested can look here: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx).
Then, applications don't see physical memory. Each of them sees a virtual one. In a 32 bit system each application always sees 4GB of virtual memory (regardless of how much physical memory is installed) - just 2GB are usable by the application, the other 2 are used to "map" DLLs and other things that need a memory address. The /3GB switch allows for increasing the former at the expenses of the latter. 32 bit applications running on a 64 bit OS, can see up to the full 4GB of virtual memory.
Virtual memory is mapped to physical one (or even disk swap space) using some CPU features designed for that - since at least the Intel 80386.
The operating systems takes care of that (and managing virtual RAM requires RAM as well...), and manages its own RAM (separated from that used by applications by the CPU protection mechanism). How much physical RAM is available depends on how much is actually used by the OS and all running applications. If physical RAM gets scarce, the OS swaps some virtual RAM to disk, and it slow downs a lot applications that got memory swapped to disk.
But there are also other things that need a memory address. For example, video cards memory
To allow the system access the video card memory, it needs to be "mapped" to a memory address within the physical 4GB boundary, and this is made at the expenses of RAM. RAM could be "relocated" above the 4GB boundary by the hardware - but in doing so it can become inaccessible by some 32 bit OS. Thereby, the larger the video card memory, the more usable RAM is "wasted" (or the video card may use less memory than you bought if for...)Another issue is how application use memory. Memory can become "fragmented", and an application may fail to get a memory block large enough when needed even if there is available memory, but it's not "contiguous". That can happen more easily when the virtual memory overall size is smaller - as it happens on 32 bit systems.
For memory intensive applications, today using a 32 bit system makes little sense.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
I'd expect that you can upgrade to Ver 6, but the Adobe CC is a much better value since it includes photoshop.
I bought Adobe 4 for 70% off just before ver 5 came out, and got a free upgrade. There is always a risk. Once the new version is announced, free upgrades are cutoff.
photodude said:
I'd expect that you can upgrade to Ver 6, but the Adobe CC is a much better value since it includes photoshop.
I bought Adobe 4 for 70% off just before ver 5 came out, and got a free upgrade. There is always a risk. Once the new version is announced, free upgrades are cutoff.
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For those not currently on LR 5.5 and want a perpetual license vs. CC, they may want to consider purchasing LR5.5 as an alternative to the CC (software as a Service) paradigm. I initially was turned off by the cloud concept of purchasing software but recently bought the PS/LR CC bundle for $9.95/mo. You actually have to download and install PS/LR CC.
Adobe did something similar when they came out with CS6. If you had a version earlier than CS3, there was no upgrade option. You had to purchase the full product. Could happen with versions earlier than LR5 - don't know. Adobe will have to spell out the upgrade path for earlier versions. Bottomline: In essence, Adobe is saying earlier versions running on 32-bit OS platforms will not be supported in LR6.
I'm assuming that once you stop the monthly payment arrangement for CC, you still have the software on your machine - you just don't get any future updates/upgrades:
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2014/07/what-happens-to-lightroom-after-my-membership-ends.html
$9.95/mo. really isn't a bad deal - just takes some getting used to versus the way we use to acquire software.
For those not currently on LR 5.5 and want a perpetual license vs. CC, they may want to consider purchasing LR5.5 as an alternative to the CC (software as a Service) paradigm. I initially was turned off by the cloud concept of purchasing software but recently bought the PS/LR CC bundle for $9.95/mo. You actually have to download and install PS/LR CC.
Adobe did something similar when they came out with CS6. If you had a version earlier than CS3, there was no upgrade option. You had to purchase the full product. Could happen with versions earlier than LR5 - don't know. Adobe will have to spell out the upgrade path for earlier versions. Bottomline: In essence, Adobe is saying earlier versions running on 32-bit OS platforms will not be supported in LR6.
I'm assuming that once you stop the monthly payment arrangement for CC, you still have the software on your machine - you just don't get any future updates/upgrades:
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2014/07/what-happens-to-lightroom-after-my-membership-ends.html
$9.95/mo. really isn't a bad deal - just takes some getting used to versus the way we use to acquire software.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
I hope it comes out very soon so I can still use my student discount status.
Has Adobe released any prices yet?
I hope it comes out very soon so I can still use my student discount status.
Has Adobe released any prices yet?
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On the contrary, I expect they did a major overhaul (thus the delay) and the product isn't beta-worthy, so they keep working on it with a closed testers group and stringent nd agreements. If they really did the rumored performance enhancements, imho they have to exchange a good deal of the legacy lua core for optimized c code.
emko said:
On the contrary, I expect they did a major overhaul (thus the delay) and the product isn't beta-worthy, so they keep working on it with a closed testers group and stringent nd agreements. If they really did the rumored performance enhancements, imho they have to exchange a good deal of the legacy lua core for optimized c code.
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I'm glad Adobe's rental scheme is working for you but that doesn't mean it works for everyone. It certainly doesn't work for me.
keithfullermusic said:
I'm glad Adobe's rental scheme is working for you but that doesn't mean it works for everyone. It certainly doesn't work for me.
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This is how I acquired PS/LR CC. Your student discount is valid for the school term you are enrolled. I believe there was a question I had to answer when I purchased my subscription related to this. As long as the school you're attending is approved by Adobe for the discount and they can verify your enrollment -- you're good to go.
Also, if you're on CC now, when LR6 is available, providing the march release date doesn't slip, you should automatically receive the upgrade. You just need to log into CC once every 30 days. The desktop software will check for updates, etc.
This is how I acquired PS/LR CC. Your student discount is valid for the school term you are enrolled. I believe there was a question I had to answer when I purchased my subscription related to this. As long as the school you're attending is approved by Adobe for the discount and they can verify your enrollment -- you're good to go.
Also, if you're on CC now, when LR6 is available, providing the march release date doesn't slip, you should automatically receive the upgrade. You just need to log into CC once every 30 days. The desktop software will check for updates, etc.
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It's not that it has a 1980s interface that makes in un-intuitive since stuff like Deluxe Paint and basically EVERY single other paint program back in the 80s was about 100x more intuitive. Anything you wanted to do with the others you could basically just do. Not with Photoshop.
Yeah no rental model for me. I wonder how much Adobe paid the NYT today to publish an editorial praising the rental model as if it were just a regular un-biased article. On and on about how the rental model is loved by all and was created out of the goodness of Adobe for the common man, blah blah blah. Not a single PEEP about any hint of backlash or any negative aspects.
AvTvM said:
It's not that it has a 1980s interface that makes in un-intuitive since stuff like Deluxe Paint and basically EVERY single other paint program back in the 80s was about 100x more intuitive. Anything you wanted to do with the others you could basically just do. Not with Photoshop.
Yeah no rental model for me. I wonder how much Adobe paid the NYT today to publish an editorial praising the rental model as if it were just a regular un-biased article. On and on about how the rental model is loved by all and was created out of the goodness of Adobe for the common man, blah blah blah. Not a single PEEP about any hint of backlash or any negative aspects.
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Re: Adobe Lightroom 6 Coming Very Soon
Yep. I'll be holding onto my CS6 Copies for Along time. The only way adobe could strip them from my hands would be to update the .dng converter to no longer support newer camera and/or make LR-CC the only option. Both of which would officially bankrupt my trust for adobe.LetTheRightLensIn said:
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Probably not going to see the public betas on Adobe products any longer - I don't see how that would really integrate with the cloud applications. That was really only a Lightroom thing, anyway, and uncommon with mature products.
Probably not going to see the public betas on Adobe products any longer - I don't see how that would really integrate with the cloud applications. That was really only a Lightroom thing, anyway, and uncommon with mature products.
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I might suggest that those that don't want/need Photoshop CC are those SOOC folks that are satisfied with
Canon's interpretation of their image and/or do not have the wherewithal to utilize stringent PP, it does take
the ability to undergo the learning curve. :
I might suggest that those that don't want/need Photoshop CC are those SOOC folks that are satisfied with
Canon's interpretation of their image and/or do not have the wherewithal to utilize stringent PP, it does take
the ability to undergo the learning curve. :
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There's always GIMP -- AND its free:
http://www.gimp.org
For what its worth, unless end-users of these products actually complain en masse, or at least in significant numbers to influence Adobe's pricing model, I'm afraid the SaaS (Software as a Service) distribution model (aka Cloud) is here for the foreseeable future.
Adobe's stock don't seem to be hurting any ... Sorry. Tried to copy the stock chart from the NY Times. I wasn't able to copy the entire chart for some reason.
There's always GIMP -- AND its free:
http://www.gimp.org
For what its worth, unless end-users of these products actually complain en masse, or at least in significant numbers to influence Adobe's pricing model, I'm afraid the SaaS (Software as a Service) distribution model (aka Cloud) is here for the foreseeable future.
Adobe's stock don't seem to be hurting any ... Sorry. Tried to copy the stock chart from the NY Times. I wasn't able to copy the entire chart for some reason.
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