Hflm said:
Talys said:
Color is a very good reason; also, playing with one these last few days, I find that it's harder to adjust the colors to where I want them to be in Lightroom, despite "better dynamic range". The cited "Feel in the Hand" is a big one for me, too. The Sony is weirdly awkward.
Subjective, I find the A9 with grip to be really ergonomic (We use A9/A7riii and 2 5divs for weddings).
I agree that it's ergonomically much better with the $300 grip. The grip is also quite heavy, and once on, there is zero weight savings versus DSLR.
I will point out that adding a grip to an a7r3 adds portrait utility, which is not present in any body other than 1D without adding a grip. And, the grip actually feels quite good in portrait orientation. However, it is an ugly grip and monstrously expensive for adding zero features.
My fingers still bump against the lens though, and my preference is a slightly deeper grip - a la 80D.
Talys said:
Metering is another. All of the metering modes are worse than the Canon ones, so much so that I ended up adjusting metering using the EV +/- dial before every shot.
I don't have problems with metering. Why do you?
Perhaps it is the subject and environment. I have discussed it extensively in the thread about 100-400L2 vs gmaster.
The most significant problems are with birds against blue sky. I have tried focus linked spot metering, and even with a perfectly focused bird, exposure is often 1ev under or more.
Talys said:
A half-baked Flash system, lack of AF Illuminator rounds it off, and poor low-light AF round it off. I mean, they have a 2.4GHz wireless flash system.... but the $700 flash (the only full size one) doesn't work with it. What's up with that?
What do you mean with AF illuminator? AF assist light? I have thet with Godox x1t-s if required. Or do you mean the VF AF point illumination, which is similarly to my 5divs? Low light AF is excellent. In case I use Sony lenses which focus stopped down and need large DOF I simply press a button and Live View Effect is set to off. The lenses then focus wide open, mine at f1.4 where I get -4ev sensitivity. So where is the problem? I didn't have a single problem during last years season. Usually statements like these are made by people not using the cameras.
I'm talking about the brief pulse of a crosshatched pattern that allows AF to lock. It will work on a DSLR 100% of the time in a pitch black room. It is very useful for off camera flash photography of animals in the evening. For example, illuminated by a fireplace.
The godox illuminator doesn't work with Sony A7r3.
Talys said:
I am also not in love with the tilting LCD. Yes... tilt is more flexible than no tilt, but it's a far cry from 6D2's fully articulating screen; it doesn't even point forward.
In terms of the menus/buttons... I'm actually ok with those. The whole menu/configuration thing was built by someone who doesn't actually like to take photographs, I think, because out of the box, it's horribly unusable. But with a bunch of configuration and tweaking it isn't bad. However, there is plenty that isn't intuitive.
Nonsense, subjective. You can program almost every thing to buttons, you have a personalized menu like with Canon where I put all the other function I need and a quick access menu. After a few gigs you know where to look for.
Nonsense, neither statement is subjective. The A7R3 and A9 have screens that can tilt up and down, but cannot facw forward. That is a fact. Note that I bought a 6D2 over a 5D4 because this feature is important to me.
Secondly, the A7r3 provably has fewer buttons. Plus, you can't hit FN and then tap the option on the screen, as you can with Canon Q, which makes the number of buttons that I want even greater. It is true that the Sony is much more configurable in button layout, but the default button layout on a Sony is useful to nobody, while the default layout if the Canon is something that most Canon shooters enjoy.
I programmed a stupid number of buttons to AF, simply because you can't grab the focus ring and turn it (they're all focus by wire). Even 'direct manual focus' requires that you AF first before the MF works. And, nearly as bad, you cannot program any button to AE + AF other than the shutter - which means you're SOL if you like back button focus and front button shutter.
And finally, the a9/a7r3 have more buttons, but several like c4 and c3 are awkward to press during shooting. Still you did see that I said I'm ok with Sony menus, right?
Unrelated:
I'm not particularly opposed to mirrorless cameras in general. However, I don't really want a camera that is any smaller than a 6D2, or 80D at the smallest, because of the size of nearly every lens that I want to use. From my point of view, making the camera smaller is a minus, not a plus.
I think that Sony has made great strides with the a7r3, but it still has a long ways to go before it catches ip to DSLR in some important aspects for me. That isn't to say that it doesn't have some valuable features, some specifically requiring mirrorless, that I really appreciate.
I am mindful that other people have different priorities than me, and respect their opinion. I would hope that you could do the same, without looking at every comment as to other people's priorities or preferences as an attack on your preferred platform.