A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]

[Canon-F1]

no viewfinder at all??

is this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

i need a viewfinder.
not one LCD i have seen so far does a good job in bright daylight.
hell they are totally useless on a sunny day, or not?
im always searching some shadowed area to chimp or have an look at the histogram.

 

[mb66energy]

no viewfinder at all??

it this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

You have the hot shoe to put an optical viewfinder on the camera ... just kidding. Do you think a viewfinder is absolutely necessary if you have a good display? I used a second hand Rolleicord and I found it phantastic to see the image with some distance - like a small print.

About the optical viewfinder: Not only kidding - I have a 35/70mm optical viewfinder and used it on my 20D (with a 8000x gray filter) and for fun. It is an interesting way to "compose" images. Just have to find out where I have stowed it away.

 

[Canon-F1]

no viewfinder at all??

it this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

You have the hot shoe to put an optical viewfinder on the camera ... just kidding. Do you think a viewfinder is absolutely necessary if you have a good display? I used a second hand Rolleicord and I found it phantastic to see the image with some distance - like a small print.

yes for me the lack of a viewfinder is an absolute deal breaker.

you should think canon as the market leader comes up with something like fuji or olympus.
but not another lame big sensor point and shoot.

no matter what fancy features are in this camera... for me it´s a letdown.
that´s not what i have waited for.

electronic viewfinders still suck in some departments (dynamic range for example).
but even a mediocre viewfinder is better then none.
i had hoped for an viewfinder like the one in the sony nex-7... it´s pretty good.

now let´s wait and see what the professionell model will look like...

Rolleicord

imho that´s completely different to an LCD.
i have an old hasselblad and mamiya c220 and yes.. it´s better viewable in daylight.

 

[marekjoz]

no viewfinder at all??

is this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

i need a viewfinder.
not one LCD i have seen so far does a good job in bright daylight.
hell they are totally useless on a sunny day, or not?
im always searching some shadowed area to chimp or have an look at the histogram.

There might be an optional accessory - electronic viewfinder to be offered

 

[Canon-F1]

maybe there is still hope that it is a pretty good hoax...

 

[Canon-F1]

There might be an optional accessory - electronic viewfinder to be offered

maybe.. another 200 euro then.
but to be honest i don´t have much hope that this is the case.

 

[RLPhoto]

I like the design. Quite simple and minimalist. Just a aps-c sensor and a fast 35mm FOV lens. Done. Now what's the price tag going to be?

 

[Canon-F1]

what i don´t get.. if i look at the hotshoe (~2cm) and compare it to the lens.
the lens seems a bit big .. not?

it looks like an EF mount in size.

 

[marekjoz]

I like the design. Quite simple and minimalist. Just a aps-c sensor and a fast 35mm FOV lens. Done. Now what's the price tag going to be?

I also find it quite cute and small.

 

[mb66energy]

what i don´t get.. if i look at the hotshoe (~2cm) and compare it to the lens.
the lens seems a bit big .. not?

it looks like an EF mount in size.

Hopefully it is an EF mount and the EF(-S)-adapter is just an extension tube which can be used otherwise and keeps prices down (hopefully).

Your remark about Rolleicord/Hasselblad viewfinders: You are right, they have an "automatic brightness control" by design, but on the Rolleicord I needed the collapsible shades and loupe very often in bright light. Would be funny to add this to the EOS M ...

 

[moreorless]

no viewfinder at all??

is this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

i need a viewfinder.
not one LCD i have seen so far does a good job in bright daylight.
hell they are totally useless on a sunny day, or not?
im always searching some shadowed area to chimp or have an look at the histogram.

I think thats exactly who its aimed at, marketing will always hype these cameras as "an alternative to a DSLR" simpley because it makes them sound like a higher end product but the majority of the market is I'd say people who would otherwise be using a compact or a phone in a given situation.

There have been a few rumours of another higher end mirrorless latter in the year and I'd guess that will be aimed more at photographers with an EVF and more manual controls.

 

[marekjoz]

no viewfinder at all??

is this camera aimed at mobile phone user or photographer?
so canon is not getting any money from me this year......

i need a viewfinder.
not one LCD i have seen so far does a good job in bright daylight.
hell they are totally useless on a sunny day, or not?
im always searching some shadowed area to chimp or have an look at the histogram.

I think thats exactly who its aimed at, marketing will always hype these cameras as "an alternative to a DSLR" simpley because it makes them sound like a higher end product but the majority of the market is I'd say people who would otherwise be using a compact or a phone in a given situation.

There have been a few rumours of another higher end mirrorless latter in the year and I'd guess that will be aimed more at photographers with an EVF and more manual controls.

Each mirrorless camera is also a possibility to sell another EF lens. It might be a smooth way for enthusiasts to walk from P&S to DSLR.

 

[maxxevv]

About the optical viewfinder: Not only kidding - I have a 35/70mm optical viewfinder and used it on my 20D (with a 8000x gray filter) and for fun. It is an interesting way to "compose" images. Just have to find out where I have stowed it away.

If you die-die must have a viewfinder, there are ready made solutions on the market for those who have used it for video:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Retail-270-VARAVON-Optical-Viewfinder-Loupe-UNI-for-universal-DSLR-/230757836847?pt=US_Viewfinders_Eyecups&hash=item35ba3d282f


There are of course cheaper versions as well as more expensive ones depending on your preference. In fact, for fine focusing of larger aperture manual lenses, using this in conjunction with liveView beats any focusing screen.

 

[marekjoz]

About the optical viewfinder: Not only kidding - I have a 35/70mm optical viewfinder and used it on my 20D (with a 8000x gray filter) and for fun. It is an interesting way to "compose" images. Just have to find out where I have stowed it away.

If you die-die must have a viewfinder, there are ready made solutions on the market for those who have used it for video:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Retail-270-VARAVON-Optical-Viewfinder-Loupe-UNI-for-universal-DSLR-/230757836847?pt=US_Viewfinders_Eyecups&hash=item35ba3d282f


There are of course cheaper versions as well as more expensive ones depending on your preference. In fact, for fine focusing of larger aperture manual lenses, using this in conjunction with liveView beats any focusing screen.

I have a similar thing and have to say, that it's quite a good solution. The main problem with it is, that it becomes dimmed by water vapour very quickly. It's almost impossible to use it outdoor in winter and because of steam becomes useless much quicker than the viewfinder.

 

[alfeel]

I just got my fuji x10 back from having the sensor replaced after an epic fight with them
and its even worse now the on off is flakey and at iso 100 DR400 and M mode the noise looks more like iso 6400

gonna have to take it back next week AGAIN

I dont think i'll buy anything from FUJI again in a hurry i dont care how good it looks on paper or a graph

correct me if i'm wrong but with dr400, you can't set the iso to the value of 100.. so, I don't know what ur talking about btw, I don't know the x10, but the x-pro1 is at par with my 5DII (except for the fast lenses)

 

[jrista]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

The front element looks way too small for a retro-focus 22mm lens. The length of the lens is thicker than the body. assuming the body is about 22mm ( body thickness of NEX). Therefore the 22mm must be a retro-focus lens. Also if the body thickness is 22mm, then the lens mount looks like is about 80mm. That is a lot bigger than the EF mount (65 mm). Also the lens says EF_M. This term is created by one of our poster. Does he really have a ESP??? I think some one created the picture. I do not believe it is the real thing.
The name Mr. Pink sound too close to MR. Plank

Err.. the outer diameter (filter size) is only 43mm. It says so. Nowhere near 80mm This is a lot smaller than an EF lens.

Thats not the outer diameter, thats the filter thread size, which is the inner diameter of the depressed area around the front lens element. The filter thread size has nothing to do with the lens mount size, and therefor has nothing to do with the size of the sensor. I have a hard time believing they would call the lens EF-M, and not use the same bayonet mount as all other EF based lenses.

BTW, the EF bayonet mount itself is 54mm in diameter, not 80mm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_mount