A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]

[jrista]

Low light shoting gets me pretty horned up. Im quite jealous of the 1dx images i have seen already. I say quit the war to make MORE megapixels and make BETTER pixels! If bestbuy could advertise ISO noise and dynamic range as well as they advertise MEGAPIXELS we would probably end up with better gear down the line. well, in my price range. canon has plenty of gear out of my range

Have you not seen the D800 with its stupendous Sony Exmor sensor? I would say that sensor debunks the whole megapixel myth that more megapixels is a waste of time and we should make "better" pixels...the D800 IS BETTER PIXELS, and more of then! It performs excellently at high ISO, and is the highest density FF sensor by a long shot. From an IQ standpoint, while it may not reach a native ISO 51200, it captures a far finer degree of detail than the 1D X is even remotely capable of, offering some two stops greater DR, and it does so with minimal noise. Sony didn't have to use any cheats like Canon did, either...no weakening of the CFA and killing off native color fidelity or anything like that.

Sony has proven more pixels with better quality IS possible, so why should we stop pushing for both? I want 47mp FF with 13 stops of DR and slightly better noise characteristics than the 7D.

 

[wickidwombat]

I hope the pack it with some serious fast primes (f/1.4, I doubt they will use faster lenses) rather than "consumer-grade" zoom. I'm waiting 'till monday hoping in a nice announcement otherwise I think I'll go to fuji for my "always-with-me" camera..

btw here it's a graph found on dpreview.com of the chroma noise of some cameras, including the X-Pro1 and the 5D mark III the fuji beat out the cr*p of all these camera according to chroma noise (it wins also with the other two kind of noise btw but not with such a large margin).
I think other manufacturer should try to implement smth like fuji did with this sensor! too bad the autofocus is not top notch, otherwise the X-Pro1 would have been an hell of a camera!

i just got my fuji x10 back from having the sensor replaced after an epic fight with them
and its even worse now the on off is flakey and at iso 100 DR400 and M mode the noise looks more like iso 6400

gonna have to take it back next week AGAIN

I dont think i'll buy anything from FUJI again in a hurry i dont care how good it looks on paper or a graph

 

[weixing]

Hi,
May be it'll be a interchangeable lens version of G1x with 650D APS-C sensor...

Have a nice day.

 

[Danack]

Does any company make Back-side illuminated sensors in Aps-C or FF Size? Wouldn't this tech allow a massive jump in ISO performance?

No. It doesn't make sense from a cost-benefit viewpoint.

The reason that rear illuminated sensors are good for tiny sensors is that each pixel that needs to be read requires a certain amount of space for the 'wire' to read the signal from that pixel. The space taken up by the wires used to read the pixel cannot be used to capture light.

(Almost) The same amount of space is required per pixel regardless of what the sensor size is.

So on a tiny little 1/2.3" sensor changing to rear illuminated means that there could be 50% space for capturing photons. On a 1.6 crop or full frame sensors, the space taken up by the 'wires' is really small compared to the area used to capture light, so you could maybe get 5% more space for capturing photons by switching to a rear-illuminated sensor.

Because they're harder to make (which translates to more expensive to manufacture and higher defect rate) there's no point getting a 5% increase in light capturing on a large sensor, whereas getting 50% more light in tiny sensors does make sense.

 

[mustafa]

I just pray that it comes in a nice range of colours.

 

[c.d.embrey]

This is going to be a pretty boring camera for the "photographer" I think.

I think it depends upon your definition of "photographer." ???

Brad Mangin is having 18 iPhone Instagram photos published in Sports Illustrated http://manginphotography.net/2012/07/how-i-made-instagram-images-that-were-good-enough-for-sports-illustrated/ So the question is, is Brad Mangin a "photographer" ???

My guess is that "photographers" will buy them and "hobbyists" won't

 

[Mr.Pink]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

 

[c.d.embrey]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

I've been waiting for a long time for an EF-S 22mm lens Now I have a good reason to go mirrorless

If this was only true

 

[wickidwombat]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

I've been waiting for a long time for an EF-S 22mm lens Now I have a good reason to go mirrorless

If this was only true

its EF-M and the 43 dia notation indicate the sensor would be a 2x crop not a 1.6 aps-c

 

[DarkKnightNine]

It's to be hoped that it isn't too much like the Nikon V1, it's been a disaster! Last time I went to the camera shop they hated them few customers wanted them, but those who did often returned them. Never have I seen such a poor review on DPreview.

For me the look aren't as important as image quality, and auto focus speed. There are a few other things I would like but I'll wait & see.

Exactly. It would blatantly stupid for Canon to release something similar to a product that was a huge failure and would prove (at lease to me) that someone isn't paying attention to the market and/or their customer's desires.

 

[eosbit]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

The front element looks way too small for a retro-focus 22mm lens. The length of the lens is thicker than the body. assuming the body is about 22mm ( body thickness of NEX). Therefore the 22mm must be a retro-focus lens. Also if the body thickness is 22mm, then the lens mount looks like is about 80mm. That is a lot bigger than the EF mount (65 mm). Also the lens says EF_M. This term is created by one of our poster. Does he really have a ESP??? I think some one created the picture. I do not believe it is the real thing.
The name Mr. Pink sound too close to MR. Plank

Err.. the outer diameter (filter size) is only 43mm. It says so. Nowhere near 80mm This is a lot smaller than an EF lens.

 

[absolutic]

Canonrumors is always the last

The picture is all over the internet on every site, from photo rumors to nikon rumors, and only canon rumors is last as usual.

 

[Rukes]

I think some one created the picture. I do not believe it is the real thing.

Are you being serious? You REALLY think looking at that photo, that someone created that with CG or something? Wow...

 

[mb66energy]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

The front element looks way too small for a retro-focus 22mm lens. The length of the lens is thicker than the body. assuming the body is about 22mm ( body thickness of NEX). Therefore the 22mm must be a retro-focus lens. Also if the body thickness is 22mm, then the lens mount looks like is about 80mm. That is a lot bigger than the EF mount (65 mm). Also the lens says EF_M. This term is created by one of our poster. Does he really have a ESP??? I think some one created the picture. I do not believe it is the real thing.
The name Mr. Pink sound too close to MR. Plank

Err.. the outer diameter (filter size) is only 43mm. It says so. Nowhere near 80mm This is a lot smaller than an EF lens.

I agree with eosbit, that the lens mount seems to be a standard EF-mount in terms of size. 43mm lens thread and 2.0/22mm (resulting in 11mm aperture diameter) are too consistent on the picture. The flash shoe too has consistent size - it seems to be large compared to the camera meaning, the camera is SMALL and the lens has "normal" size.

In the case of a mirrorless there is no need for a retrofocus solution - you have the freedom to place the last lens element near the sensor. This is too consistent.

The sensor size: I guess it is an APS-C sensor: 22mm x 1.6 = 35.2 .... the classical compact camera focal length. So at lest this is a little bit retro in terms of numbers!

From the picture (if it is really from Canon) I see that an EF/EF-S adaptor might be just an extension tube which we can use for macro with a (D)SLR - would be very symphatic!

EDIT:
Further guesses:
- AF assist lamp and IR receiver
- a few direct controls and the rest via a large touchscreen.
- mediocre battery life due to the tiny body
- builtin stereo microphone on top near EOS M signature

Just my 2 ct.- Best, Michael

 

[Violettpunkt]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

And it's called, EOS A1 !!

 

[pakosouthpark]

maaan why can't canon come out with something new that will blow everyones mind?? i mean they are the leader brand on cameras!! they are just doing what other brands already did!

 

[mb66energy]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

And it's called, EOS A1 !!

I read EOS M - but my first thougt was yours. EOS M makes sense in combination with EF-M whith M for mirrorless.

 

[Nassen0f]

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

And it's called, EOS A1 !!

Thankfully it says Eos M on top...

 

[Violettpunkt]

maaan why can't canon come out with something new that will blow everyones mind?? i mean they are the leader brand on cameras!! they are just doing what other brands already did!

These so-called "leaders" always wait for another so-called "leader" to make a move, and they will wait and see and then pushing out something similar. What we as customer can hope for is... They at least refine and learn from the mistakes of another brands..

Here is leaked photos of Canon mirrorless

EF-M mount,22mm STM lens

And it's called, EOS A1 !!

I read EOS M - but my first thougt was yours. EOS M makes sense in combination with EF-M whith M for mirrorless.

There are Nikon V1 and J1. That's the point

btw +1, though M can be anything but if it is Mirrorless, that is lame..

 

[eosbit]

The lens also reads "Macro 0.15m/0.49ft" on the side