A Bit of Mirrorless Informaton [CR3]

[Caps18]

It will be interesting, I hope they either get it right or will sell enough to come out with future models. It is a very hard thing to get right. It has to be thin, have good battery life, a big sensor, good fast lenses... But it will have less functionality than a G1X (no IS or zoom, and now dust problems) And I would have to worry about security guards at events preventing me from bringing in a camera with a removable lens...

I would think the 50 f/1.8 would be a good lens for this from a size/weight/speed point of view.

Quite frankly, I would rather see them improve the G1X line to include a f/2 lens (while making it smaller/thinner in other parts). I already know that if I am going to use my EF lenses, I will bring the 5Dm2 with me.

 

[zim]

Welcome back CR Guy, ‘above and beyond the call’ if you ask me. Anyway I think you’ve posted the really important thing here and your not talking it up. Lots of disappointment in the offing. It’s not going to be a trad rangefinder design happy days for Leica/ Fuji et al though. Guess you have to respect Canon market research though I suspect they are right.

 

[RLPhoto]

Just give me a aps-c sensor and a fast 35mm or 50mm prime. Its all I'll ever need from a mirror-less camera and possibly a EF lens adapter.

 

[SpaceGhost]

I would want a true canon competitor to the NEX line, specifically the NEX-7. The lens selection on the NEX is what is holding me back. Of course if Canon released a series of cameras for teh different niches like Sony did, that would be awesome (NEX-3, NEX-5, NEX-7, etc.)

Bottom line, if Canon makes a more pro mirrorless body, with an EF adapter option, and a decent selection of compact/small/pancake lenses, I'm all in
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[infared]

I do not find the Fuji X100 useless. Just the opposite.

Canon could have come into the mirrorless fray at the end and swept everyone off their feet....but from what I am reading this "big" mirrorless release is going to be a real yawner. In one word: Mediocre. (and then everything that lol said!)

 

[Canon-F1]

well at least it´s no m43 sized sensor.

i was never happy with my e-pl1 and the gf3.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

It's to be hoped that it isn't too much like the Nikon V1, it's been a disaster! Last time I went to the camera shop they hated them few customers wanted them, but those who did often returned them. Never have I seen such a poor review on DPreview.

For me the look aren't as important as image quality, and auto focus speed. There are a few other things I would like but I'll wait & see.

They appeared in discount stores like Costco only a few weeks after hitting the market, and Nikon Sr Managers are very defensive when asked about them. There must be a reason.

 

[MaddScientiskt]

I don't think it matters much what they release now. Just to get some future posts out of the way...

That body is too big or small.
The sensor is too big or small.
The MP count is too many or few.
The kit zoom lens is too big or slow.
The prime(s) are too big and/or slow.
The AF is too slow.
It costs too much!

;D Nice Post, another one would be "It's not good as a 5D Mark III....or even a Mark IV for that matter " LOL geez.....
O yea "It's tooooo much noise at ISO 100"

 

[Gman]

well at least it´s no m43 sized sensor.

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I wonder how you can say that when we don't even know the specs yet?

I handled an OMD EM5 today and sat the body next to my old G11 and have to say that with just a pancake lens I think I might have gone for it, it's actually smaller than a G11 but the size of the kit zoom just lets it's down -plus of course the body plus a pancake lens are going to cost 3x a G12!

What if Canon's entry into the mirrorless zone blows away the Oly m43? Will I be tempted* or still hang on for a G14 at Photokina?

*I hear the menu system on the OMD is a nightmare!

 

[jrista]

While I'm a fan of the DSLR, I'm very interested in seeing what Canon does with their first mirrorless entry. Based on the previous rumors here, it will be more consumer grade than professional grade, so I don't expect it to have all the frills that the upper end Nikon and Sony mirrorless entries do.

It will be interesting to see how competitive Canon actually gets though...might be telling about the future of Canon DSLR in this more competitive and rapidly advancing market. Will they use FPPD-AF, or a form of FPPD+CD AF (like they demonstrated with the 650D)? How many AF points? What kind of sensor...APS-C sized? Backlit? Large pixels or small pixels? EVF, and what kind of functionality? It'll be interesting, good or bad, to see what Canon releases. I really hope its very competitive, but I expect it to be rather middle ground...neither "sucky" nor "great".

 

[Canon-F1]

well at least it´s no m43 sized sensor.

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I wonder how you can say that when we don't even know the specs yet?

do you read the same website?
you did not notice that all rumors point to an aps-c sensor?

 

[Daniel Flather]

It's officially unconfirmed!

 

[RLPhoto]

Does any company make Back-side illuminated sensors in Aps-C or FF Size? Wouldn't this tech allow a massive jump in ISO performance?

 

[marekjoz]

Does any company make Back-side illuminated sensors in Aps-C or FF Size? Wouldn't this tech allow a massive jump in ISO performance?

Isn't the Sony's "Exmor R" a back illuminated sensor?

 

[traveller]

Does any company make Back-side illuminated sensors in Aps-C or FF Size? Wouldn't this tech allow a massive jump in ISO performance?

Isn't the Sony's "Exmor R" a back illuminated sensor?

Yes, but it isn't made in APS-C or FF size.

 

[marekjoz]

Does any company make Back-side illuminated sensors in Aps-C or FF Size? Wouldn't this tech allow a massive jump in ISO performance?

Isn't the Sony's "Exmor R" a back illuminated sensor?

Yes, but it isn't made in APS-C or FF size.

You're right. Then it might be Canon in their labs: http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/01/patent-large-back-illuminated-sensor/

 

[RLPhoto]

Does any company make Back-side illuminated sensors in Aps-C or FF Size? Wouldn't this tech allow a massive jump in ISO performance?

Isn't the Sony's "Exmor R" a back illuminated sensor?

Yes, but it isn't made in APS-C or FF size.

You're right. Then it might be Canon in their labs: http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/01/patent-large-back-illuminated-sensor/

Interesting, now we know what the next 5D4 and 1Dx2 sensors will use this tech. 8)

Prepare for a usable 102,400 ISO. Which if your read that number out-loud, is a joke from a person coming from film.

 

[jrista]

Does any company make Back-side illuminated sensors in Aps-C or FF Size? Wouldn't this tech allow a massive jump in ISO performance?

If it was a REALLY high density sensor, where pixel pitch was under 2 microns, it would probably be required to use a backilluminated design. If we are talking in the realm of 16-18mp in APS-C size, the improvement to QE (which would help ISO performance) wouldn't be particularly massive...but it would make the sensor very competitive. Especially if its also an FPPD-AF sensor.

 

[Ryan708]

Low light shoting gets me pretty horned up. Im quite jealous of the 1dx images i have seen already. I say quit the war to make MORE megapixels and make BETTER pixels! If bestbuy could advertise ISO noise and dynamic range as well as they advertise MEGAPIXELS we would probably end up with better gear down the line. well, in my price range. canon has plenty of gear out of my range

 

[alfeel]

I hope the pack it with some serious fast primes (f/1.4, I doubt they will use faster lenses) rather than "consumer-grade" zoom. I'm waiting 'till monday hoping in a nice announcement otherwise I think I'll go to fuji for my "always-with-me" camera..

btw here it's a graph found on dpreview.com of the chroma noise of some cameras, including the X-Pro1 and the 5D mark III the fuji beat out the cr*p of all these camera according to chroma noise (it wins also with the other two kind of noise btw but not with such a large margin).
I think other manufacturer should try to implement smth like fuji did with this sensor! too bad the autofocus is not top notch, otherwise the X-Pro1 would have been an hell of a camera!