Already bashing the 7d MkII because of the Samsung NXI?

[CanonOregon]

Before we get to even try a production MkII I see so many posts, "Oh look at this brand X in comparison, wow, Canon blew it!" so I thought I'd share that I see Samsung pulled their sample images from the NXI on Flickr after being bashed on how bad they were. I didn't see those and I haven't seen production (nor has anyone else) sample images from the 7d MkII yet either so I'll hold judgement until we see the 'real deal'- and even then there's the difference of who's doing the shoot and the processing. No sense knocking cameras we've never got to use yet. (But of course, not a smart move on Samsung's part if they really were bad!)

 

[Loswr]

You are, of course, speaking of a few individuals here. To some, specs tell the whole story. But the top line never does. For example, it was pointed out on another thread where people were touting the NX1's 15 fps vs. the 7DII's 10 fps, that continuous shooting on the NX1 delivers 12-bit RAW files instead of 14-bits. So even with the specs, the devil is in the details. And all of that says zippo about images the camera system (lenses, flashes, etc.) can produce.

 

[123Photog]

would i buy the canon as wildlife action shooter? .. of course!

but for me the NX1 shows how far other companys have come.
and it shows that canon is imo far to conservativ.

for every feature, except maybe the AF, im sure you can find cameras that have better specs. thought not overall better.

canon and nikon are not the lonely leaders in camera technology anymore.

about the images... well as we see in the 7D MK2 thread that means not much.

 

[ritholtz]

I think, it is more like people appreciating Samsung effort in this case.

 

[Loswr]

canon and nikon are not the lonely leaders in camera technology anymore.

That would be unfortunate for them if being the leader in technology was their goal. But from a business standpoint, that's a nice to have. Sony's Betamax was the best consumer videocassette technology...until it's inability to compete in the market killed it.

 

[123Photog]

canon and nikon are not the lonely leaders in camera technology anymore.

That would be unfortunate for them if being the leader in technology was their goal. But from a business standpoint, that's a nice to have. Sony's Betamax was the best consumer videocassette technology...until it's inability to compete in the market killed it.

on the other side being a market leader did not help nokia, sony TV, kodak or sun.

i think you have to be agressive too and push into new territory.

 

[Loswr]

canon and nikon are not the lonely leaders in camera technology anymore.

That would be unfortunate for them if being the leader in technology was their goal. But from a business standpoint, that's a nice to have. Sony's Betamax was the best consumer videocassette technology...until it's inability to compete in the market killed it.

on the other side being a market leader did not help nokia, sony TV, kodak or sun.

i think you have to be agressive too and push into new territory.

In most cases, the examples you cite are cases of a paradigm shift in technology. Samsung cameras...aren't.

 

[scottkinfw]

All great and interesting points.

To me, it is most telling when "pundits" bash the cameras without actually and objectively seeing what they can do. Instant loss of credibility.

sek

 

[I_Miss_Minolta]

Good luck renting Samsung lenses in town for a photo shoot.

Canon manufactures their PRO bodies for PROFESSIONALS. Why don't you ENTHUSIASTS get that?

RE: FPS - it ONLY matters if the images are in FOCUS.
RE: IQ – the “Q” stands for “quality”, a SUBJECTIVE term...as in, “eye of the beholder.”

 

[Don Haines]

All great and interesting points.

To me, it is most telling when "pundits" bash the cameras without actually and objectively seeing what they can do. Instant loss of credibility.

sek

I find it interesting that the people whining about "I don't want video functionality on my stills camera" are being drowned out by the "the camera is crap if it does not have 4K video" people....

The we have the "I want more pixels" people and the "I want less pixels" people...

talk about conflicting demands!

 

[fragilesi]

It does amaze me just how many people are so invested in running Canon down. This camera sounds like it will be excellent in terms of its performance and being from Canon it will be solid, well built / durable, reliable and have a longevity that they are happy to stand behind. It will also benefit from being compatible with lenses far superior to a lot of the other makers.

This characteristics of durability, longevity and reliability are fantastically difficult to achieve. Who would bet on say a Samsung NX-1 or Sony outlasting a 7dii in an extended set of field tests . . .

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I look at it a different way. Competition is good for the consumer. If companies are nipping at your heels, then you are going to be forced to up your game.

So, I try (and sometimes fail) to avoid bashing camera companies.

 

[slclick]

And to think, just a couple years ago 'Wired' warned us the end of the DSLR was nigh.

 

[sagittariansrock]

I look at it a different way. Competition is good for the consumer. If companies are nipping at your heels, then you are going to be forced to up your game.

So, I try (and sometimes fail) to avoid bashing camera companies.

+1.

At this point Samsung is an upcoming dSLR contender trying to go all out with features to attract the early adopters. I think they have taken a very bold approach, trying to marry the merits of a dSLR with those of a mirrorless system. The NX1 might not be perfect, but we should not ignore Samsung and I hope they have the financial power to learn from early failures and gradually build a great product.
Canon is an established market leader with a reputation to protect- it is better for them to offer 10 fps of great shooting as opposed to 15 fps with sketchy results.
@Don: the voice of complaint is always louder than the voice of contentment. If the 7DII indeed had 4K video, then you'd see these 4K-advocates never appear and loud complaints about the still features that were traded off for this.

 

[Aglet]

Considering the very enticing pre-order deal on the 7d2, at least here in Canada, or Chinada since out PM just sold the place out from under us, I might order it, play with it, and still be able to sell it without losing anything but time if I don't like it.

www.canonfeatures.ca/EOS-7D-MarkII/pre-order

 

[bholliman]

I look at it a different way. Competition is good for the consumer. If companies are nipping at your heels, then you are going to be forced to up your game.

So, I try (and sometimes fail) to avoid bashing camera companies.

Agreed, competition is really the only thing that forces companies to come out with improved products over time.

Personally, I think the 7D2 looks like a terrific budget sport/action/wildlife body. I doubt I'll buy one as most of my photography is portrait, studio and landscape, so the 6D is fine for my needs.

 

[jasonsim]

The 7D II was never intended to be a video centric DSLR. Why would a videographer need 10 FPS, 65 cross type AF points? The biggies that need 4K will pony up for the Cinematic 1D series that Canon offers. The casual YouTuber or Vemeo poster should be able to make due using a 70D. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

7D II was made for sports and wildlife photography. That is where it should excel and has no rival.

As far as Samsung NX-whatever, I admire their efforts and it might be a fine camera. But look at the sidelines of any NFL game...what do you see? A bunch of white honking lenses! Canon EF system out sells all other systems by wide margins. They must be doing something right.

Kind regards,
Jason

 

[jpk]

And we all know Samsung has a huge selection of state of the art pro optics to mount on their Uber Camera....right?

Oh.......they don't?

 

[Aglet]

And we all know Samsung has a huge selection of state of the art pro optics to mount on their Uber Camera....right?

Oh.......they don't?

uhmmm... give them a year or so.
They can move pretty quick when motivated and they'll likely want to put something out to attach to this new body.

 

[sagittariansrock]

Considering the very enticing pre-order deal on the 7d2, at least here in Canada, or Chinada since out PM just sold the place out from under us, I might order it, play with it, and still be able to sell it without losing anything but time if I don't like it.

www.canonfeatures.ca/EOS-7D-MarkII/pre-order

You're kidding me!!!
Why not in the US? :'(