What are you the most *excited* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?
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Hard to truly know until I have a chance to learn about and test the camera...BUT from the choices you posted, and out of first impressions it's a toss-up between Wifi and incremental/evolving updates (e.g., exposure comp in manual mode). The 2 biggest drawbacks of the 5D3 for me are its tendency to underexpose and the slowness of the SD card drive, two issues addressed in the 7D2 (and I assume will be addressed in 5D4). A close 2nd is lack of wifi in the 5D3 - but those reasons alone are not convincing enough to upgrade.
We'll see, I'll reserve full judgment until it's out.
We'll see, I'll reserve full judgment until it's out.
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Because to many folks on here, it's more cathartic apparently to bitch about everything that (THEY THINK) doesn't meet their own personal needs based on a list of yet unconfirmed/unofficial/massively incomplete specs
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Personally I'm more excited that (so far based on rumor) the specs of the 5D4 are making my long wrestled with decision on what model to purchase much clearer.
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As I mentioned in the "upset" thread, the 5D3 has been a great camera, so I'll be thrilled if the 5D4 is as good or better. The only improvement that could potentially make a real difference for me is even better high ISO performance. That would be sweet. Everything else I pretty much don't care about.
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ahsanford said:
Several factors.
Frame Rate: Not really an issue for me either way. I didn't expect some wild number like 10+. I expected 7-8. That said, it's perfectly fine for general use, but I need 1DX speeds for dance competitions and recitals. I rent one each year to do this. So the 1DX2 (which I rented this year) was always more attractive an option to fill my frame rate gap at the top end above my 5D3.
Resolution: The drastically higher MP count vs the 5D3 is actually a drawback for me. the 22MP of the 5D3 for what I use it for is about perfect. General use. It's plenty enough resolve for the majority of almost any need without being overly obnoxious for such general use (file sizes). Apart from my personal use, the 5D3 files are more than ample to produce excellent medium-large prints or digital use images. The files are able to be quickly culled and edited. If I need more resolve for a custom portrait shoot, I'll grab my 5DSR. I've already got the high MP gap filled better with that. When I shoot 400+ dance students each year with stobes in front a white screen and sell print packages with 8x10s, 22MP is MORE than ample. 30MP give's me nothing additional except larger files sizes I don't need for that.
LCD Screen: Tilty Flippy is nice, but I couldn't care less either way. Would it make things easier in live view on occasion? Sure. Is it a deal breaker? No way.
Video: This is a biggy since I'm venturing more into that side albeit, not heavily. But the 120fps in HD is very important to me if I do video, because once again, dancers.
So neededing to fill a gap at higher frame rates for dance competitions and recitals (instead of renting one out) plus the lack of need for a 30MP sensor, in tandem with a preference for low-mid 20s, plus the video issue, I don't have much compelling reason to warrant a 5D4. I would get more benefit out of keeping my 5D3 and 5DSR and buying a 1DX2 which would give me the new sensor tech I want without the higher MP I don't need for my purposes and with all the extras I'm lacking now that i DO need.
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I'm in Refurb7's camp. The improvement in DR and ISO would be great resaons to upgrade if needed, but I can get that (and probably better) in the DX2 along with everything else I need that no 5 body is designed to do
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PureClassA said:
Normally, I'd say anything the 5D# can do, the 1DX# can do better (the big exception being silent shutter). But if this dual-pixel thing gives a legimitate IQ boost and (for hardware reasons) that functionality cannot be made available on the 1DX2 with firmware, the 5D4 might eclipse the 1DX2 in some use-cases. We shall see!
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Sure but Im not sure what hardware it would take additionally given that these two cameras both have the sensor fabrication process. Both on chip ADC with the column parallel readout on DPAF chips. I cant imagine Canon re-re-built the sensor design exclusively for this. Gut feeling says the firmware wasnt ready in time for the DX2 and they held it for the more widely used 5body as a major feature announcement. Could be wrong, and Im no scientist on this stuff, but I can think of what else would be needed besides whats already in there
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I'm particularly tempted by the resolution increase as I have been getting into landscapes recently but that new fangled dual pixel thing is surely the exciting thing as it is an unknown quantity but that dual ISO theory would definitely make me buy one if it turns out true.
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If it had been part of the leaked specs and part of this poll, I would have voted for -3 EV AF sensitivity.
Poor low-light focusing is my biggest complaint with the 5D3.
Poor low-light focusing is my biggest complaint with the 5D3.
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suburbia said:
Not sure where the paydirt will be on this new dual-pixel technology.
If it's like ML's dual-ISO, one would expect it wouldn't help much for tripod-based ISO 100 landscape work. If that's what you need, I'd just go for detail, get a 5DS R and be done with it. But DR goes to hell as you climb up the ISO dial, and if it does work like dual-ISO, there could be a significant reward there.
But this is all speculation of course. We'll know more when they announce or if marketing collaterals leak early (some overzealous country manager gets his dates/time zones wrong and posts too soon).
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rrcphoto said:
Not exactly. They all have different sensors in terms of MP count. But the 7D2 introduced DPAF. However it still used the older off-sensor ADC fabrication process. The 80D (following the 1DX2) used the new on-sensor ADC fabrication process. In that regard the 80D has more in common with the 1DX2 than does the 7D2. The 5D4 will also have DPAF with the on-sensor ADC fabrication process. While all three of those cameras (1DX2, 80D, 5D4 - in order of release) have different sensors in terms of size and MP count, they ALL share the same fabrication process of putting the ADC ON the sensor. I highly doubt Canon would have re-engineered that process again to something new with the the 5D4's base chip design. That's an extremely expensive process to re-tool and it's why we had to wait so long for Canon to make the change they just did last year to give us those 3 cameras we have now.
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ahsanford said:PureClassA said:
Fixed that for you.
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Doh! But yes. And like the 7D2, the 80D predecessor also used the same older fab process. Again I think this is probabaly going to be more a function of the new ADC (the more I think about it) because the multiple channels could (I suppose) be segregated via a firmware switch to read out each sub-pixel independently, whereas the older ADC designs (even with the DPAF) perhaps can not.
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PureClassA said:
the 60D was older fab / process .. last one of it's kind.
the 70D was the first DPAF sensor.
the 7DII was a different sensor than the 70D even though both at 20Mp - the QE's were remarkably different.
the rebel 24mp is a different sensor, with entirely different pinout structure from the 60/70D sensors.
the 80D was ADC on chip.
so from July 2013 to Feb 2016, 2.5 years, canon released just on APS-C .. 4 different sensors.
all of them where different, so it's nothing to suggest that canon will not create another specific sensor for the 5D Mark IV.
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