What are you the most *excited* about with the newly leaked 5D4 specs?

[rrcphoto]

But the 7D2 70D introduced DPAF.

Fixed that for you.

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Doh! But yes. And like the 7D2, the 80D predecessor also used the same older fab process. Again I think this is probabaly going to be more a function of the new ADC (the more I think about it) because the multiple channels could (I suppose) be segregated via a firmware switch to read out each sub-pixel independently, whereas the older ADC designs (even with the DPAF) perhaps can not.

that's not entirely known for sure .. as an example the 70D and 7D Mark II QE jumped significantly, and dual pixel itself requires the splitting of the PD in half, which means that it probably required a tighter geometry.

keep in mind that canon didn't get it's ADC sensor patents approved until 2014-15 that really is independent of the fab process.

 

[PureClassA]

But the 7D2 70D introduced DPAF.

Fixed that for you.

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Doh! But yes. And like the 7D2, the 80D predecessor also used the same older fab process. Again I think this is probabaly going to be more a function of the new ADC (the more I think about it) because the multiple channels could (I suppose) be segregated via a firmware switch to read out each sub-pixel independently, whereas the older ADC designs (even with the DPAF) perhaps can not.

that's not entirely known for sure .. as an example the 70D and 7D Mark II QE jumped significantly, and dual pixel itself requires the splitting of the PD in half, which means that it probably required a tighter geometry.

keep in mind that canon didn't get it's ADC sensor patents approved until 2014-15 that really is independent of the fab process.

To make the optical wafer itself. perhaps, yes. But the fabrication of that wafer onto the completed sensor as a whole which now includes (since after the 7D2 and 70D) having the ADC manufactured in the same component as the wafer... perhaps that is what makes the change that allowed for greater latitude with the DPAF wafer. Just guessing. It used to be the sensor itself plus the amplification on that same body. Now it includes a third component on board as well

 

[rrcphoto]

But the 7D2 70D introduced DPAF.

Fixed that for you.

- A

Doh! But yes. And like the 7D2, the 80D predecessor also used the same older fab process. Again I think this is probabaly going to be more a function of the new ADC (the more I think about it) because the multiple channels could (I suppose) be segregated via a firmware switch to read out each sub-pixel independently, whereas the older ADC designs (even with the DPAF) perhaps can not.

that's not entirely known for sure .. as an example the 70D and 7D Mark II QE jumped significantly, and dual pixel itself requires the splitting of the PD in half, which means that it probably required a tighter geometry.

keep in mind that canon didn't get it's ADC sensor patents approved until 2014-15 that really is independent of the fab process.

To make the optical wafer itself. perhaps, yes. But the fabrication of that wafer onto the completed sensor as a whole which now includes (since after the 7D2 and 70D) having the ADC manufactured in the same component as the wafer... perhaps that is what makes the change that allowed for greater latitude with the DPAF wafer. Just guessing. It used to be the sensor itself plus the amplification on that same body. Now it includes a third component on board as well

your comment was "I cant imagine Canon re-re-built the sensor design exclusively for this. "

Canon has been doing exclusive designs for the last 2.5 years on every APS-C camera.

it's not out of the ordinary to assume that canon could and would do something different with the 5D IV.

also another case in point.. from empirical evidence.. the sensors from the 5D Mark III and the 6D are totally different. the noise / banding,etc structures completely change from those two cameras .. 5 months apart.

*IF* getting the new fab up and running was canon's 3-4 year hold up (prior to the 70D) then all bets are off on new sensors for each camera that are "tweaked" and modified for each camera system.

that is the tactical advantage of running your own fab and not relying on "stock" sensors.

Canon's also big enough to absorb the few millions in lithography,etc to do it.

Also .. I just thought.. with dual processors, the ADC output lanes will be different than with a single lane 5D Mark IV.. potentially meaning that it has to be different anyways.

 

[kaihp]

Come on people, the 'upset' thread has nearly twice the responses! Surely there's something about the 5D4 you are excited about.

Actually, at this point in time with no concrete info on IQ, I'm not excited about the 5D4.

To my mind, I don't need 30MP (heck, 22MP is usually more than enough for me) so I would have prefered a lower-MP/higher-FPS body than the 30MP/7fps we're supposed to get. Yes, I'm in the minority group and Canon doesn't make a product for me alone (if they did, I couldn't afford it anyway).

The final unknown is IQ, banding and noise levels at the high-ISO/low-light end. I won't mention that word in order to avoid waking up the DRones.

 

[rrcphoto]

Come on people, the 'upset' thread has nearly twice the responses! Surely there's something about the 5D4 you are excited about.

Actually, at this point in time with no concrete info on IQ, I'm not excited about the 5D4.

To my mind, I don't need 30MP (heck, 22MP is usually more than enough for me) so I would have prefered a lower-MP/higher-FPS body than the 30MP/7fps we're supposed to get. Yes, I'm in the minority group and Canon doesn't make a product for me alone (if they did, I couldn't afford it anyway).

The final unknown is IQ, banding and noise levels at the high-ISO/low-light end. I won't mention that word in order to avoid waking up the DRones.

I'm not sure it's that much unknown

the 20mp 1dx mark II with new sensor design trashs the 5D Mark III with nearly the same pixel size.

 

[ahsanford]

To my mind, I don't need 30MP (heck, 22MP is usually more than enough for me) so I would have prefered a lower-MP/higher-FPS body than the 30MP/7fps we're supposed to get. Yes, I'm in the minority group and Canon doesn't make a product for me alone (if they did, I couldn't afford it anyway).

The '1DX2-lite' you seek may have died off with the 1D4. I don't ever see Canon making a high fps / low MP rig other than the flagship itself. Perhaps now's a good time to pick up a used 1DX on the cheap?

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[PureClassA]

To my mind, I don't need 30MP (heck, 22MP is usually more than enough for me) so I would have prefered a lower-MP/higher-FPS body than the 30MP/7fps we're supposed to get. Yes, I'm in the minority group and Canon doesn't make a product for me alone (if they did, I couldn't afford it anyway).

The '1DX2-lite' you seek may have died off with the 1D4. I don't ever see Canon making a high fps / low MP rig other than the flagship itself. Perhaps now's a good time to pick up a used 1DX on the cheap?

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Well it all depends what you want to shoot. If portraits and landscapes are your thing, the 5D4 is going to win that argument over the DX2 for most folks.

If the DP RAW is real and what everyone seems to believe it is, then suddenly Live View shooting for landscape stills may become much more popular than now (unless this feature can used even without LiveView whereby the DPAF pixels dont AF, but just use the dual pixel readout.... who knows... we can go bonkers speculating about this damn thing for the next week) Fun huh?

 

[kaihp]

Perhaps now's a good time to pick up a used 1DX on the cheap?

I did Posted up some shots in the 300/2.8 and 300mm+2xTC threads.
Here's a shot I took the day after I got it and the very first day I tried to use in on roadracing:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=2662.msg607148#msg607148

The 1Dx is a freakn' awesome camera!

 

[ahsanford]

Also .. no AA filter on this one.

I have read that in precisely zero places. What's your source? Are you just hoping for this?

I would think a video-heavy rig would need an AA filter.

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[JonAustin]

I'm excited that the resolution of the 5D Mark IV is so much higher than I need, that I'll have no trouble passing on it, and getting a 2nd 5D Mark III at closeout, instead.

After that, I'll sell (or give away) my 20D and 5D, and wait for someone local to put the new 24-105L II out of their 5D IV kit up for sale.

 

[docsmith]

The 5DIII is already an excellent camera. This seems to be an improvement AF owe the board.

That is pretty exciting to me.

 

[PureClassA]

I'm excited that the resolution of the 5D Mark IV is so much higher than I need, that I'll have no trouble passing on it, and getting a 2nd 5D Mark III at closeout, instead.

After that, I'll sell (or give away) my 20D and 5D, and wait for someone local to put the new 24-105L II out of their 5D IV kit up for sale.

Not sure what sort of "closeout" pricing you expect. It's already about $2250 brand new. With the new model clocking in at $3300 and the 6D lingering around $1400 and no successor coming for another 6-12 months, those remaining 5D3 bodies are gonna stay right about where they are in a perfect price range

 

[ahsanford]

I'm excited that the resolution of the 5D Mark IV is so much higher than I need, that I'll have no trouble passing on it, and getting a 2nd 5D Mark III at closeout, instead.

After that, I'll sell (or give away) my 20D and 5D, and wait for someone local to put the new 24-105L II out of their 5D IV kit up for sale.

Not sure what sort of "closeout" pricing you expect. It's already about $2250 brand new. With the new model clocking in at $3300 and the 6D lingering around $1400 and no successor coming for another 6-12 months, those remaining 5D3 bodies are gonna stay right about where they are in a perfect price range

+1. Canon will monkey around with the 5D3 price (post-5D4-launch) just enough so that no 5D3s remain by the time the 6D2 is launched.

I don't think Canon wants a formidable professional grade FF rig with the 1DX AF system drop under $2k while they try to launch the 6D2 around that same price. They want people torn between a 6D2 and 5D4, and not have a middle option for a low price.

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[Hector1970]

I'm afraid I'm unexcited by the upgrade.
Maybe the reviews will give a better outcome.
On specs alone it's just an incremental upgrade.
Video seems to have improved.
I'd have been tempted if it were a flippy screen. This would be a great addition.
I'm not sure why Canon don't make it professional grade
The design where it flips back so the screen side can be completely protected is great.
If the price is €3799 I think it's too much.
I'm probably no longer their target audience as I've too much gear and gear is no longer the limiting factor.
If you were upgrading from APS-C you would be rightfully excited.
It will be a great camera for you.

 

[rcarca]

I am really interested in all the stuff that has come out today (Friday) about the DPAF raw capabilities. Also, I think this "AF 61 points. Corresponding to F8 in all of the distance measuring point. -3EV Corresponding (at the time of live view -4EV)" means that we get a LOT better f8 focussing than just the centre point. Having needed that only last night, that is big news to me, especially if combined with better, usable high ISO.

PS: I couldn't vote on the "what disappoints me" because there wasn't a "nothing" button. Why should I be disappointed, especially since I am not a video guy!

 

[ahsanford]

Not shockingly, the news about the dual-pixel feature coming out has cause a late spike in votes for it.

#dontcallitacomeback

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[PureClassA]

Not shockingly, the news about the dual-pixel feature coming out has cause a late spike in votes for it.

#dontcallitacomeback

- A

Funny, I was like, the second person to vote for that LOL. Always ahead of the curve :

 

[PureClassA]

+1. Canon will monkey around with the 5D3 price (post-5D4-launch) just enough so that no 5D3s remain by the time the 6D2 is launched.

- A

Exactly. They are going to bleed whatever outstanding dealer stock dry first (or as dry as possible) before sending out the 6D2. I imagine it will have a $1799USD launch price (based on the Yen, right NOW). Would be interesting to know how many are left out there. If not mistaken, I believe the 5D3 has been completely out of production now for a couple months, yes? Didn't Craig post something about that not too long ago?

 

[StudentOfLight]

Not shockingly, the news about the dual-pixel feature coming out has cause a late spike in votes for it.

#dontcallitacomeback

- A

I love your hashtags ;D