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Flatter your boss. There is no better flattery than imitation!
munsoned said:I am desperate for some advice, my boss is a nikon shooter and is very little help
Flatter your boss. There is no better flattery than imitation!
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I'm not quite sure I understand your problem, munsoned.
You indicated that you need the weather sealing, silent shutter, and auto ISO. That's all in the 1D4. But you mentioned that you have to get it used? I think there's still new 1D4 in the market (though you might have to look abroad).
Is the price for a new one too expensive or is it because you can't find a new one for sell?
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I'm not quite sure I understand your problem, munsoned.
You indicated that you need the weather sealing, silent shutter, and auto ISO. That's all in the 1D4. But you mentioned that you have to get it used? I think there's still new 1D4 in the market (though you might have to look abroad).
Is the price for a new one too expensive or is it because you can't find a new one for sell?
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Thanks for the reply. My situation is that my boss is happy with my photos, and i am looking to upgrade, he doesn't care if i do. I talked to my boss today after a shoot, he just said look for weather sealing and a quiet shutter would be nice. He loves my full frame shots from my 5D II, since he shoots on crop nikons. The only reason i don't want to be shooting with the 5D is for the poor weather sealing, but that is only about 10% of the shoots that i have to worry about that, and since winter is over that is the worst of it.
I have the money to buy new equipment, but i don't know if i want to spend $5000 on a new camera. I would like to spend around $2000-3000, when i saw the price of the 5D III i raised it to $3500, and i noticed that a used 1D IV is around that price. $5000 is just so high, i would rather put that money towards better glass like the 70-200mm II since i need a better weather sealed long zoom lens.
I am starting to lean towards canceling the pre-order and possibly holding onto the 5d II and get a 1D III and wait till the end of the year or next year to buy another main body.
Thanks for the reply. My situation is that my boss is happy with my photos, and i am looking to upgrade, he doesn't care if i do. I talked to my boss today after a shoot, he just said look for weather sealing and a quiet shutter would be nice. He loves my full frame shots from my 5D II, since he shoots on crop nikons. The only reason i don't want to be shooting with the 5D is for the poor weather sealing, but that is only about 10% of the shoots that i have to worry about that, and since winter is over that is the worst of it.
I have the money to buy new equipment, but i don't know if i want to spend $5000 on a new camera. I would like to spend around $2000-3000, when i saw the price of the 5D III i raised it to $3500, and i noticed that a used 1D IV is around that price. $5000 is just so high, i would rather put that money towards better glass like the 70-200mm II since i need a better weather sealed long zoom lens.
I am starting to lean towards canceling the pre-order and possibly holding onto the 5d II and get a 1D III and wait till the end of the year or next year to buy another main body.
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OK, now I have a better understanding of your situation.
If I understand it correctly, ur perfectly fine with the 5D2 with the exception of the 10% rough winter days. If this is the case, I think there's nothing wrong with your current FF setup and you should keep using the 5D2 for a few more years (unless it breaks, of course).
To me, it looks like the 1D2 is your concern. If I find a 1D4 body at US$3500, I'd probably make the jump, since the 1D4 has the same level of weather sealing, but way better ISO, pixels, FPS, etc. Of course, there's always risk with buying a used camera body, but as long as you're cool with it, go for the used 1D4.
As for whether 1D3 or 1D4... well, I don't know where your cost/performance balance lies, so it's your choice. For me, I would not get the 1D3 simply because you can't shoot video.
Hope this helps.
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OK, now I have a better understanding of your situation.
If I understand it correctly, ur perfectly fine with the 5D2 with the exception of the 10% rough winter days. If this is the case, I think there's nothing wrong with your current FF setup and you should keep using the 5D2 for a few more years (unless it breaks, of course).
To me, it looks like the 1D2 is your concern. If I find a 1D4 body at US$3500, I'd probably make the jump, since the 1D4 has the same level of weather sealing, but way better ISO, pixels, FPS, etc. Of course, there's always risk with buying a used camera body, but as long as you're cool with it, go for the used 1D4.
As for whether 1D3 or 1D4... well, I don't know where your cost/performance balance lies, so it's your choice. For me, I would not get the 1D3 simply because you can't shoot video.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Yes the setup works really great except when it is storming, which in the DC area happens sometimes. I am more worried about the humidity honestly, sometimes it can get really crazy.
So my 5D shouldn't be used in the horrible weather situations, because it has failed once and thankfully only cost me about $200 to fix, but the camera was out of action for 2 months. If i keep the 5D II and 1D II, i could just buy a 1D III or IV and in poor weather situations use my 1DII and the new one.
The question now would be should i just get the 1D III now or wait for the X to come out and hope for the price to go down. If i am not getting the 5D III i am in no rush to buy a new body and if i can wait a month or two and save $500 i wouldn't mind doing that.
The 1D III is around $2000 used. the IV is around $3500-4000 and the video recording would be awesome. I guess a 5D II and 1D IV would be a nice combo? Is there any way the 1D IV will go bellow or around $3000 by the end of the year? If not i i have to decide if i want to spend $1500 for the upgrade in image and ability to do video.
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes the setup works really great except when it is storming, which in the DC area happens sometimes. I am more worried about the humidity honestly, sometimes it can get really crazy.
So my 5D shouldn't be used in the horrible weather situations, because it has failed once and thankfully only cost me about $200 to fix, but the camera was out of action for 2 months. If i keep the 5D II and 1D II, i could just buy a 1D III or IV and in poor weather situations use my 1DII and the new one.
The question now would be should i just get the 1D III now or wait for the X to come out and hope for the price to go down. If i am not getting the 5D III i am in no rush to buy a new body and if i can wait a month or two and save $500 i wouldn't mind doing that.
The 1D III is around $2000 used. the IV is around $3500-4000 and the video recording would be awesome. I guess a 5D II and 1D IV would be a nice combo? Is there any way the 1D IV will go bellow or around $3000 by the end of the year? If not i i have to decide if i want to spend $1500 for the upgrade in image and ability to do video.
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you should be able to get good used 1Dmk3 for around $1500 if you look around
you should be able to get good used 1Dmk3 for around $1500 if you look around
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this one looks in top condition
I still use my mk 3 it complements the 5D2 nicely
I catually use the 16-35 f2.8 on the APS-H more than the FF becasue it gives me 21-49mm effective which for events at f2.8 is very nice, also wide open any corner softness is cropped off, then with either 70-200 f2.8 on the 5D2 or 85mm f1.4 on the 5D2 it gives great coverage for events across the 2 bodies
I cant wait for 1Dmk4 prices to come down more but at the moment they are still over double the mk3 prices
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Canon-EOS-1D-Mark-III-10-0-MP-Digital-SLR-Camera-Black-Body-Only-/280844395194?pt=AU_Digital_Cameras&hash=item4163a162bamunsoned said:
this one looks in top condition
I still use my mk 3 it complements the 5D2 nicely
I catually use the 16-35 f2.8 on the APS-H more than the FF becasue it gives me 21-49mm effective which for events at f2.8 is very nice, also wide open any corner softness is cropped off, then with either 70-200 f2.8 on the 5D2 or 85mm f1.4 on the 5D2 it gives great coverage for events across the 2 bodies
I cant wait for 1Dmk4 prices to come down more but at the moment they are still over double the mk3 prices
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If ur not considering the 5D3, I think waiting would be a good idea (of course, there's nothing wrong with getting the 1D3 if you think the price is good).
At this point, we do not know for sure what to expect of the new X. While many people are waiting for the fullframe pro body, there's not much info to evaluate how the move from 1.3x to fullframe would affect body prices. For those who believe that the 1.3x is important, 1d4 would still be the APS-H body with the latest tech - and it is going out of production for sure.
The best scenario is the transfer from APS-H to FF goes smoothly, and the 1D4 comes down in price with the introduction of X. However, if people still miss the 1.3x, the price might not drop as much.
Anyways, one thing to do is to keep track of how the 1DX is doing in the month following its release, and keep up-to-date with the 1D4 prices.
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If ur not considering the 5D3, I think waiting would be a good idea (of course, there's nothing wrong with getting the 1D3 if you think the price is good).
At this point, we do not know for sure what to expect of the new X. While many people are waiting for the fullframe pro body, there's not much info to evaluate how the move from 1.3x to fullframe would affect body prices. For those who believe that the 1.3x is important, 1d4 would still be the APS-H body with the latest tech - and it is going out of production for sure.
The best scenario is the transfer from APS-H to FF goes smoothly, and the 1D4 comes down in price with the introduction of X. However, if people still miss the 1.3x, the price might not drop as much.
Anyways, one thing to do is to keep track of how the 1DX is doing in the month following its release, and keep up-to-date with the 1D4 prices.
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I was thinking about switching my cameras around, and using my 5D II with the long telephoto. Here is my current setup:
5D II w/ 24-105 (80% of the time) or 16-35 ii (20%)
1D II w/ 100-400(130-520mm) 100%
The reason i use the 24-105 is because if i use the 16-35, it's just way too wide and i would have to get very close to the family which is really bad. I miss a lot of shots that i need at least 50mm for, since i am limited to 130mm on the other camera. The gap between the 16-35mm and 130mm-520mm is almost 100mm! if i switch bodies, the gap would be 21-50mm to 100-400mm and only 50mm, and i lose the super wide that i don't use much.
1D III - 21-50mm or 31-135mm or 130-520mm
5D II - 16-35mm or 24-105mm or 100-400mm
1D II - 21-50mm or 31-135mm or 130-520mm
Now that you kind of understand the situation more, i wonder if a FF will be better with my 100-400mm. I guess that is the main question. The only other lenses i would see myself buying for this job would be the 24-70mm II and the 70-200mm II. I think i'm covered on the wide side, i need to upgrade my 100-400 because of the lack of weather sealing. I also have the 1.4x and 2x II's that i stupidly purchased not too long ago.
I was thinking about switching my cameras around, and using my 5D II with the long telephoto. Here is my current setup:
5D II w/ 24-105 (80% of the time) or 16-35 ii (20%)
1D II w/ 100-400(130-520mm) 100%
The reason i use the 24-105 is because if i use the 16-35, it's just way too wide and i would have to get very close to the family which is really bad. I miss a lot of shots that i need at least 50mm for, since i am limited to 130mm on the other camera. The gap between the 16-35mm and 130mm-520mm is almost 100mm! if i switch bodies, the gap would be 21-50mm to 100-400mm and only 50mm, and i lose the super wide that i don't use much.
1D III - 21-50mm or 31-135mm or 130-520mm
5D II - 16-35mm or 24-105mm or 100-400mm
1D II - 21-50mm or 31-135mm or 130-520mm
Now that you kind of understand the situation more, i wonder if a FF will be better with my 100-400mm. I guess that is the main question. The only other lenses i would see myself buying for this job would be the 24-70mm II and the 70-200mm II. I think i'm covered on the wide side, i need to upgrade my 100-400 because of the lack of weather sealing. I also have the 1.4x and 2x II's that i stupidly purchased not too long ago.
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I'm having trouble deciding also. Currently I have a 7D and love it for its 8fps speed and advanced af system. I do miss the full frame from my old 5d mk1 though (i loved the depth of field etc), but felt I could never switch to a 5d mk2 as it was too slow.
So i was hoping waiting for a fast 5d mk3 to come out, except its not quite as fast as I was hoping for.
I shoot about 75% sports (mostly mountainbiking) and 25% everthing else (events, some weddings etc). Often when i photograph in either situation I am shooting in low light, I dont like to use a flash so I use a big aperture and bump up the iso.
So ideally I want something fast with the better af system and something that can shoot well in low light, + in all weather situations. I really wish the 5d mk3 was faster.
There is no way i can afford a 1dx
The thing about the 1d mk4 that worries me is its a crop sensor and how would image quality compare to that of the 5d mk3. The other thing that worries me is how much better in image quality is the 1d mk4 over the 7d?
I'm having trouble deciding also. Currently I have a 7D and love it for its 8fps speed and advanced af system. I do miss the full frame from my old 5d mk1 though (i loved the depth of field etc), but felt I could never switch to a 5d mk2 as it was too slow.
So i was hoping waiting for a fast 5d mk3 to come out, except its not quite as fast as I was hoping for.
I shoot about 75% sports (mostly mountainbiking) and 25% everthing else (events, some weddings etc). Often when i photograph in either situation I am shooting in low light, I dont like to use a flash so I use a big aperture and bump up the iso.
So ideally I want something fast with the better af system and something that can shoot well in low light, + in all weather situations. I really wish the 5d mk3 was faster.
There is no way i can afford a 1dx
The thing about the 1d mk4 that worries me is its a crop sensor and how would image quality compare to that of the 5d mk3. The other thing that worries me is how much better in image quality is the 1d mk4 over the 7d?
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Vertvorb:
I've been shooting with a combo of the 5D2 and a pair of 1D4 bodies for a while now. I'm mostly sports shooter (pro cycling from a motorcycle) with other contract work that ranges from other sports, to aerial, to architecture, to product, to travel... a nice variety.
I think it is pretty easy to say you're best bet would be the 1D4 over the 5D3.
Going down in fps will be (imho) the the biggest thing that should steer you away from the 5D3. The build quality of the 1Danything is so rock solid, and you don't have the battery door or grip interface to be a weak point in weather sealing with the 1D4. I've shot quite a few stages from a moto in the rain with 1D bodies hanging from my shoulders from the moto and personally have never had one fail yet.
As to image quality - keep in mind that you're going from a 1.6x crop factor with the 7D, so either would add better bokeh to your shots, tho - yes - the 5D3 would give you better bokeh than the 1D4, but the 1D4 is a pro body and since the 1DX still isn't shipping yet - is the big dog for Canon sports shooters... great image quality is part of that reason.
I did a comparison of a shot made with FF, 1.3x and 1.6x crop bodies, you can see the results (and my method and reasoning etc)here:
http://blog.willshootphotography.com/2009/02/canon-crop-comparison-5d-vs-1d-mark-ii-n-vs-50d-bokeh.html
the differences are not drastic, but they are there. Also - much of that focus fall off "quality" comes from the glass you're using, not just the sensor crop factor...
As for the AF system - having used the 7D - the 1D4 will blow it away... your keeper rate from your mtb shoots will soar. It is a powerful and flexible system. The IQ will still work great for your wedding gigs etc...
My dos centavos would be to pull the trigger on the 1D4, either new or a good quality used one.
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Vertvorb:
I've been shooting with a combo of the 5D2 and a pair of 1D4 bodies for a while now. I'm mostly sports shooter (pro cycling from a motorcycle) with other contract work that ranges from other sports, to aerial, to architecture, to product, to travel... a nice variety.
I think it is pretty easy to say you're best bet would be the 1D4 over the 5D3.
Going down in fps will be (imho) the the biggest thing that should steer you away from the 5D3. The build quality of the 1Danything is so rock solid, and you don't have the battery door or grip interface to be a weak point in weather sealing with the 1D4. I've shot quite a few stages from a moto in the rain with 1D bodies hanging from my shoulders from the moto and personally have never had one fail yet.
As to image quality - keep in mind that you're going from a 1.6x crop factor with the 7D, so either would add better bokeh to your shots, tho - yes - the 5D3 would give you better bokeh than the 1D4, but the 1D4 is a pro body and since the 1DX still isn't shipping yet - is the big dog for Canon sports shooters... great image quality is part of that reason.
I did a comparison of a shot made with FF, 1.3x and 1.6x crop bodies, you can see the results (and my method and reasoning etc)here:
http://blog.willshootphotography.com/2009/02/canon-crop-comparison-5d-vs-1d-mark-ii-n-vs-50d-bokeh.html
the differences are not drastic, but they are there. Also - much of that focus fall off "quality" comes from the glass you're using, not just the sensor crop factor...
As for the AF system - having used the 7D - the 1D4 will blow it away... your keeper rate from your mtb shoots will soar. It is a powerful and flexible system. The IQ will still work great for your wedding gigs etc...
My dos centavos would be to pull the trigger on the 1D4, either new or a good quality used one.
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I did upgrade from 7D to 1D4 in January and am very happy with my decision. The 1D4 is a great camera and the 1.3 crop is kind of best/worst of both worlds FF vs. crop. The IQ of the 1D4 is subjectively a bit better than the 7D but without pixel counting it is not a very visible difference (provided you are shooting at the same length). The AF and ISO performance however are far better than on the 7D which in the end might result in way better IQ in certain situations.
Given your use case of shooting fast MB action and your need for best possible weather sealing the 1D4 is a great choice. I recommend to rent one for a weekend or to try it out at your local Canon dealer, I was really impressed with the 1D4 from the first moment taking into account that I love my 7D.
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I did upgrade from 7D to 1D4 in January and am very happy with my decision. The 1D4 is a great camera and the 1.3 crop is kind of best/worst of both worlds FF vs. crop. The IQ of the 1D4 is subjectively a bit better than the 7D but without pixel counting it is not a very visible difference (provided you are shooting at the same length). The AF and ISO performance however are far better than on the 7D which in the end might result in way better IQ in certain situations.
Given your use case of shooting fast MB action and your need for best possible weather sealing the 1D4 is a great choice. I recommend to rent one for a weekend or to try it out at your local Canon dealer, I was really impressed with the 1D4 from the first moment taking into account that I love my 7D.
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1D4 gives superb IQ. It also has the ability the set min/max shutter speeds in AV mode and have (the equivalent to ) auto iso.
Picture taken today with 400 f/2.8, 1/320th, iso100, f/2.8, ec +1/3
This is the kind of environment where 10fps is priceless
1D4 gives superb IQ. It also has the ability the set min/max shutter speeds in AV mode and have (the equivalent to ) auto iso.
Picture taken today with 400 f/2.8, 1/320th, iso100, f/2.8, ec +1/3
This is the kind of environment where 10fps is priceless
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True, as applies to the depth of field for the same framing (the underlying reason is that with a crop sensor, you need to be further from the subject to get the same framing with a given focal length, and that increased distance means deeper DoF). Exposure is not affected - f/2.8 gives the same amount of light per unit area, regardless of sensor.
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True, as applies to the depth of field for the same framing (the underlying reason is that with a crop sensor, you need to be further from the subject to get the same framing with a given focal length, and that increased distance means deeper DoF). Exposure is not affected - f/2.8 gives the same amount of light per unit area, regardless of sensor.
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