1d X field test
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JR said:
I'm sorry but AF-configuration have nothing to do with blurry images of a still sitting car and photographer. Whilse the AF-system is complex for it to cover all situation, you would have to be completely braindead not to get sharp imges of that car. And if afma wasn't done, he could easily have done it with LV. That sharpenss you see there is done with the AF system taken out of the equation.
I know how to handle the AF-system of the 5d3 as I'm used to the 1d4, and still, it isn't THAT hard to figure out, and it's CLEARLY visible when you're doing something wrong.
I still have to sharpen my 5d3 files a bit harder than the 5d2. And it is annoying.
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I've read that a lens can be tack sharp on one body and a bit soft on another due to the cumulative effect of all of the slight differences in manufacturing inherent to complex pieces of hardware (1/2 mm here, 0.1 degree off there, etc).
So I'm wondering if micro-adjusting the lens to the body would have helped him with softness. Again, he had 48 hours and no manual, so it's not likely he took this step.
Shawn L.
So I'm wondering if micro-adjusting the lens to the body would have helped him with softness. Again, he had 48 hours and no manual, so it's not likely he took this step.
Shawn L.
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Shawn L said:
I don't know any photographer who has access to this kind of gear that can't adjust a lens on the fly, I mean, I have no problem doing that.
1. Shoot with LV
2. shoot using "normal" AF.
Are they simillar or is the LV sharper? if it is, aim a the bottom of pole standing on the ground (like a street sign) shoot wide open and see if it hits or not, adjust accordingly. Done. Takes you 4 minutes.
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What i would really like to. Now is if this softness comes from the firmware or hardware. I dont doubt the new sensor from canon ios better then the old one in the mkii, but maybe they messed up something with the firmware, and maybe the same thing is happening to initial file from the 1dx...i sure hope it is fixable. There are too many of us reporting softness with the mkiii. I get that there are user error yes, but not all of these would be related to user error.
Anyway, crossing my finger for when the 1dx actually do start shipping.
Anyway, crossing my finger for when the 1dx actually do start shipping.
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The softness comes from a combination of factors.
The moire and AA filters that were applied to the sensors and the fact that the 5D3 and 1Dx both have their sharpness turned right down to counter these issues too.
Philip Bloom mentioned something about it on twitter a few weeks ago.
Take one of your RAW 5D3 images and boost up the sharpness and see the difference.
On average most of the people that buy these cameras won't notice the issue because they either are not looking for it or can correct it in post.
Its either that or have to deal with a really bad AA and Moire effect on your pictures.
Test it and see.
The moire and AA filters that were applied to the sensors and the fact that the 5D3 and 1Dx both have their sharpness turned right down to counter these issues too.
Philip Bloom mentioned something about it on twitter a few weeks ago.
Take one of your RAW 5D3 images and boost up the sharpness and see the difference.
On average most of the people that buy these cameras won't notice the issue because they either are not looking for it or can correct it in post.
Its either that or have to deal with a really bad AA and Moire effect on your pictures.
Test it and see.
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AG said:
Did not know that is was a known fact. So they really turned the sharpness way down...what does this mean exactly? I just need Apply more sharpening to each file instead? Are you referring to in camera sharpness? Wuldn't this only impact jpeg file and not raw?
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Personally, i find the biggest selling points of the 1DX over the 5D3 are
1) the 12fps
2) AF speed
More specifically sports photography. Putting IQ and ISO stuff aside, when it matters for speed the 1DX delivers.
I played with one for only about 15mins but i only wanted to compare it's speed vs my 5D3 and like the reviewer said, the 1DX is even faster than the 1D4 and many people already know the 1D4 is faster than the 5D3…so you can imagine my surprise when i took my first shots with the 1DX…
That thing locks onto a target the moment you press the shutter..doesn't matter what subject you focus on, it locks on immediately. We all know the "lag" the 5D3 has and that is irritating to me especially when the subject is moving but i'm not using AI Focus…the 1DX has no such issues, the tracking is also super fast..locks on and keeps locked one.
The 12 FPS? It's FAST…i was more into the sound of the shutter going off than anything else really…but i can see how sports photographers will love this camera…it does what it does and it does it better than anything i've ever laid my hands on…it's a good thing it's 2x the price of my 5D3, if not, i would feel my 5D3 wasn't up to scratch
1) the 12fps
2) AF speed
More specifically sports photography. Putting IQ and ISO stuff aside, when it matters for speed the 1DX delivers.
I played with one for only about 15mins but i only wanted to compare it's speed vs my 5D3 and like the reviewer said, the 1DX is even faster than the 1D4 and many people already know the 1D4 is faster than the 5D3…so you can imagine my surprise when i took my first shots with the 1DX…
That thing locks onto a target the moment you press the shutter..doesn't matter what subject you focus on, it locks on immediately. We all know the "lag" the 5D3 has and that is irritating to me especially when the subject is moving but i'm not using AI Focus…the 1DX has no such issues, the tracking is also super fast..locks on and keeps locked one.
The 12 FPS? It's FAST…i was more into the sound of the shutter going off than anything else really…but i can see how sports photographers will love this camera…it does what it does and it does it better than anything i've ever laid my hands on…it's a good thing it's 2x the price of my 5D3, if not, i would feel my 5D3 wasn't up to scratch
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The Philip Bloom comments only pertained to video. And while useful as a news source, he is not an authority on cameras technically anyway (nor am I for that matter, but I am not cited as one).
There is apparently a hysteria about OLPF and anti-aliasing, probably due to the announcement of the D800E making everyone wonder about these things. I doubt the new generation of cameras is less sharp than the old, even on a per-pixel level, from a hardware standpoint. Probably much the contrary.
But we do know they have had a lot of trouble with the RAW conversion and the firmware...and all signs point to these cameras being sent out earlier than they were ready because of the Olympics and the D800/D4. I should think they will fix up the soft/firmware shortly enough and make the cameras work much better than their earlier generation counterparts. These are the early days for these bodies.
There is apparently a hysteria about OLPF and anti-aliasing, probably due to the announcement of the D800E making everyone wonder about these things. I doubt the new generation of cameras is less sharp than the old, even on a per-pixel level, from a hardware standpoint. Probably much the contrary.
But we do know they have had a lot of trouble with the RAW conversion and the firmware...and all signs point to these cameras being sent out earlier than they were ready because of the Olympics and the D800/D4. I should think they will fix up the soft/firmware shortly enough and make the cameras work much better than their earlier generation counterparts. These are the early days for these bodies.
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peederj said:
I agree..the 1DX was made mainly for the Olympics i believe..and there's still time to fine tune it but they better get it right before the Olympics…
The 5D3 on the other hand i believe was released because of the pressure of the D800 and i must admit, it doesn't feel like the finished product in terms of features and firmware…but knowing Canon and the 5D2 history, they will release tons more firmwares in due time with more features…I don't think we'll see many 5D3 at the olympics..most of those photographers use the best of the best, so all 1DX and D4…Actually, i don't see a D4 as a 1DX competitor really…it's nothing special thus far from all the reviews i'm reading about it..it's a great camera yes but it doesn't improve much over the D3s.
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"The 5D3 on the other hand i believe was released because of the pressure of the D800 and i must admit, it doesn't feel like the finished product in terms of features and firmware"
When you say "feel" does it mean you have one? Because when I use my 5dmarkiii it "feels" like an extremely well-built camera. I personally feel it was very very well done and that is one thing that you cant rate with a chart is the ergonomics and general overall build of the camera. The AF runs like butter when you get it dialed in and the overall look, color and picture quality look great.
Everyone talks about DR, resolution, sharpness, but overall how does the whole picture look?! Is it flat? Does it pop? Is it creamy? I think the mark iii excels there.
I cant believe how many people review something they have never used or just used once or twice, or borrowed their friends to try out for 10 minutes. This camera definitely takes a week or two just to get used to the little nuances of the AF, the menu system, the light meter etc... in short - its a great camera. Can it be improved? yes but so can all others.
Bringing it back to the 1dx because im hijacking this thread (sorry) - I truly hope for the price difference there is something better than just build quality and fps with the 1dx. And heres the important point to me: we need to stop comparing between Canon and Nikon obsessively. Its great that it breeds competition and we should compare a bit to push technology BUT instead of looking over the fence to see what the other team has, we should be looking at our OWN cameras and determine what we truly NEED.
When you say "feel" does it mean you have one? Because when I use my 5dmarkiii it "feels" like an extremely well-built camera. I personally feel it was very very well done and that is one thing that you cant rate with a chart is the ergonomics and general overall build of the camera. The AF runs like butter when you get it dialed in and the overall look, color and picture quality look great.
Everyone talks about DR, resolution, sharpness, but overall how does the whole picture look?! Is it flat? Does it pop? Is it creamy? I think the mark iii excels there.
I cant believe how many people review something they have never used or just used once or twice, or borrowed their friends to try out for 10 minutes. This camera definitely takes a week or two just to get used to the little nuances of the AF, the menu system, the light meter etc... in short - its a great camera. Can it be improved? yes but so can all others.
Bringing it back to the 1dx because im hijacking this thread (sorry) - I truly hope for the price difference there is something better than just build quality and fps with the 1dx. And heres the important point to me: we need to stop comparing between Canon and Nikon obsessively. Its great that it breeds competition and we should compare a bit to push technology BUT instead of looking over the fence to see what the other team has, we should be looking at our OWN cameras and determine what we truly NEED.
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Like i said when i played with the 1DX, i was ONLY looking out for 1 thing..the AF speed. And it wasn't my camera so obviously i could play with it for a longer time.
From the moment you press the shutter to the time you see it flash red…on the 5D3, it takes maybe slightly under 1 sec.
On the 1DX, it's immediate….that's the big difference…1 processor vs 3 processors i guess…that's why i say the 1DX will be great for sports, not that the 5D3 isn't good…it's for a specific target audience that need that AF speed shooting things like the Olympics.the AF speed isn't going to mean anything in general shooting or landscapes etc…you don't need that AF speed..
From the moment you press the shutter to the time you see it flash red…on the 5D3, it takes maybe slightly under 1 sec.
On the 1DX, it's immediate….that's the big difference…1 processor vs 3 processors i guess…that's why i say the 1DX will be great for sports, not that the 5D3 isn't good…it's for a specific target audience that need that AF speed shooting things like the Olympics.the AF speed isn't going to mean anything in general shooting or landscapes etc…you don't need that AF speed..
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Cameras are so similar now in feature sets and ability all I really care about is IQ.
It's often forgotten that all you really need is a light source, shutter, aperture and a decent sensor.
Everything else is just dressing. You've really never had it so good.
It's often forgotten that all you really need is a light source, shutter, aperture and a decent sensor.
Everything else is just dressing. You've really never had it so good.
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In terms of "softness" I had a Mark II for almost three years and now I have two Mark IIIs. The Mark III is very sharp. It is sharper than the Mark II and the IQ in terms of color and ISO are superior. I can't imagine the the 1Dx having a "softness" issue if the Mark IIIs images are extremely sharp.
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spinworkxroy said:
Spinwork....I haven't tried the 1dx, BUT, my 5d3 with my 70-200ii focuses IMMEDIATELY...not even .5 second let alone "just under a second"
What lens were you using that took almost a second?
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Viggo said:
that would really help. at full resolution please, a RAW file would be perfect if possible
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Ran some test with the 5d3 vs 5d2 and Lr vs DPP here:
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=6153.15
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=6153.15
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Viggo said:
Yeah your test really shows that something is wrong with the latest version of LR as the latest dpp provide really sharp image. I guess the 1dx test image in the original post most not have been processed with dpp here...i would never have thought Adobe was so off and that dpp was good since i ihave stop using dpp over a year ago to swith to LR ...
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