1DX and 5D3 RAW files

[RLPhoto]

sorry, its not like that, you can wish or believe what you want if that is important for you

It seems your the one ignoring all the white tele's. Its a free country.

and you live in ?

A country where this saying may not be familiar with you.

 

[J.R.]

sorry, its not like that, you can wish or believe what you want if that is important for you

It seems your the one ignoring all the white tele's. Its a free country.

and you live in ?

OK ... 15 Nikon cameras and 14 Canon ... what's your point?

 

[bdunbar79]

no more that some of you are living in a own world regarding your equipments, and it is only cameras.
waiting for the hockey Detroit vs Chicago, how about you?

ankorwatt, just quit man, why do you continue to argue? Just let it go. Whether you are correct or not doesn't matter and it's not worth it.

We're discussing 5D Mark III RAW files vs. 1DX RAW files are we not?

 

[RLPhoto]

sorry, its not like that, you can wish or believe what you want if that is important for you

It seems your the one ignoring all the white tele's. Its a free country.

and you live in ?

A country where this saying may not be familiar with you.

it says more about you and your ignorance to other contrys
tell me, which contrys have more freedom that the Nordic contrys and Germany, Holland etc , regarding all speech about woman's right to abort, homo marriage and to religion freedom?
Go out and travel and discover the world
If it is US, I have lived there 1973-75. I love and hated it because of the double moral, you could not f@ck but smoke lot of pott and then go to church every sunday , auch not the life we are used to up here in the north Europe
are we done about "free country"

I still don't believe you grasp what that saying means. :-X

 

[Loswr]

We're discussing 5D Mark III RAW files vs. 1DX RAW files are we not?

Yes, absolutely. The D800 has better DR than both. :

 

[bdunbar79]

ankorwatt quit?

it was not me how start the " freedom talk"
talk to RLP

If we shall be serious about the raw files from 1dx and 5dmk3, lets us talk about the difference of the read out and electronic path way from the sensor and to the amp stage

I would love to discuss it.

 

[privatebydesign]

With regards the sports shooters choice, Mikael did make a good point, the Beijing Olympics was a low point for Canon and the terrible job they did with the AF in the 1D MkIII. He then posted an image of one session at the swimming pool. Now I don't know how many here know how the photographers allocation goes at events like this, but if it isn't a blue ribbon event then the photography pool could be made up of people as low ranking as me, a secondary shooter for a national (very small nation) paper. A picture from one event can look very different to another event, and a crop can be made to show anything.

Now the top event, the actual kill to even get in the lottery for the "free" allocation to get the worst seat in the press section, is the men's 100m final, to get an accurate count of the white to black lenses that the best of the best in that field of sports photography are using, you would need a panoramic image where you could see almost every photographer covering the best vantage point from the mens 100m final at Beijing, the worst Olympics in recent memory for Canon.

Anybody that interested could do the count here http://www.karikuukka.com/peking2008/100m/

Certainly the combination of the 1DX and MkII teles superior AF is winning a good few back to the white side.

 

[RMC33]

PBD, Cool photo. It's about 2:1 Canon.

 

[Quasimodo]

With regards the sports shooters choice, Mikael did make a good point, the Beijing Olympics was a low point for Canon and the terrible job they did with the AF in the 1D MkIII. He then posted an image of one session at the swimming pool. Now I don't know how many here know how the photographers allocation goes at events like this, but if it isn't a blue ribbon event then the photography pool could be made up of people as low ranking as me, a secondary shooter for a national (very small nation) paper. A picture from one event can look very different to another event, and a crop can be made to show anything.

Now the top event, the actual kill to even get in the lottery for the "free" allocation to get the worst seat in the press section, is the men's 100m final, to get an accurate count of the white to black lenses that the best of the best in that field of sports photography are using, you would need a panoramic image where you could see almost every photographer covering the best vantage point from the mens 100m final at Beijing, the worst Olympics in recent memory for Canon.

Anybody that interested could do the count here http://www.karikuukka.com/peking2008/100m/

Certainly the combination of the 1DX and MkII teles superior AF is winning a good few back to the white side.

Very cool 360 photo. Funny, but I would guess that all those 300, 400, and 500 primes we see here will, if the same picture is taken after the next olympics at the same distanse and POV, be the new 200-400 Canon lens.

 

[Hannes]

I took this during the mens marathon last year in London. I'm not sure what you'd need to do to get a seat on that truck but I assume you had to represent a major publication. I was honestly surprised to see how many Nikon shooters were on there.

 

[privatebydesign]

Mikael,

See it any way you want, I have seen various reports of pros dropping Nikon due to various dislikes with the D4 yet not one doing the opposite because of the 1DX.

Nobody who has used both says the Nikon super teles are in the same league as the Canon MkII's, the Nikon 200-400 is loved and hated in equal measures by different pros, it seems subject distance is an important factor in the use of the lens, if your shooting fits in with the lens focus sweet spot then you like it, if it doesn't it is a soft, expensive, slow, POS.

So far the Canon 200-400, though having a gestation period longer than a comatose elephant, has had nothing but glowing reports, including from some very Canon critical shooters.

But I really don't care, sports shooting takes less than 5% of my time and I don't own a 1DX or a 200-400! The thread was about RAW files and the 1 series ability to dig a bit deeper in them.

 

[Skulker]

it says more about you and your ignorance to other contrys
tell me, which contrys have more freedom that the Nordic contrys and Germany, Holland etc , about woman's right to abort, homo marriage and to religion freedom?
Go out and travel and discover the world
If it is US, I have lived there 1973-75. I love and hated it because of the double moral,double standard , simplified: you could not f@ck but smoke lot of pott and be high as rats and then go to church every sunday , auch not the life we are used to up here in the north Europe
are we done about "free country"

What on earth has this got to do with the topic?

I live in Europe. Would anyone else please not take this as a typical mindset.

 

[Loswr]

what we know is that Nikon has taken big market shares from Canon and where Canon few years ago was the the dominant company

Who's the 'we' that know this? Does it include anyone but you? Can you provide some data to support that claim?

Here is the summary as of ~7 months ago (pasted from here):

In 2007, Canon had 43% of the dSLR market, Nikon had 40%. In 2010, Canon had 44.5% of the dSLR market, Nikon had 29.8%. So, over years while Nikon was bringing us better sensors than Canon, Nikon was losing market share while Canon was gaining it. Ok, fine, but that's 2010. What about this year?

In 2Q2012 (by calendar year, they report it as 1QFY2013), Nikon had an 18% y/y growth of unit sales of dSLRs and lenses. In 2Q2012, (they report by CY, not FY), Canon had a 47% y/y growth of unit sales of dSLRs and lenses.

Where's this 'big market share' that Canon has lost to Nikon, and when? I look forward to your analysis...and the supporting references.

EDIT: Worth adding that about a month ago, Canon issued a press release stating that they had maintained the #1 position in the dSLR market for the past 10 years, through 2012. But maybe you're better than Canon's lawyers at checking facts, Mikael.

 

[Northstar]

what we know is that Nikon has taken big market shares from Canon and where Canon few years ago was the the dominant company

Who's the 'we' that know this? Does it include anyone but you? Can you provide some data to support that claim?

Here is the summary as of ~7 months ago (pasted from here):

In 2007, Canon had 43% of the dSLR market, Nikon had 40%. In 2010, Canon had 44.5% of the dSLR market, Nikon had 29.8%. So, over years while Nikon was bringing us better sensors than Canon, Nikon was losing market share while Canon was gaining it. Ok, fine, but that's 2010. What about this year?

In 2Q2012 (by calendar year, they report it as 1QFY2013), Nikon had an 18% y/y growth of unit sales of dSLRs and lenses. In 2Q2012, (they report by CY, not FY), Canon had a 47% y/y growth of unit sales of dSLRs and lenses.

Where's this 'big market share' that Canon has lost to Nikon, and when? I look forward to your analysis...and the supporting references.

EDIT: Worth adding that about a month ago, Canon issued a press release stating that they had maintained the #1 position in the dSLR market for the past 10 years, through 2012. But maybe you're better than Canon's lawyers at checking facts, Mikael.

One thing about those market share numbers that would be interesting to see is the market share in the full frame market, which obviously would be more "telling" of what pros shooters use.

 

[Skulker]

we can discuss in absurdum ..........

At last you have given an accurate account of your posts.

 

[3kramd5]

We're discussing 5D Mark III RAW files vs. 1DX RAW files are we not?

Not.

 

[CarlTN]

This is the thing. There is nothing really to clear up.

What are you going to do with the information once you have it... become engineers?

The 5D3 and 1DX have different sensors. That's why the Raw files have different qualities. It stands to reason that the more expensive flagship model gets the best stuff and quite rightly has the best IQ.

That's all that we need to know. Different sensors, different results. It's common sense and you don't have to have any tech knowledge to work that out.

If you really must know go on the DWF forum and ask Chuck Westfall why there's a difference.

Copper / Gold was figuratively speaking. But to compare.... the Generation 4 ipod had something called a Wolfson DAC inside it. This was and still is considered the best DAC and therefore led to the best sound quality on the ipod. Ever. It's why I have an old one in my car, when using FLAC files the clarity is amazing. Apple use a different one now and it's not the same.

Canon are not only using different sensors, but different components. Higher quality components to get a cleaner image.

It's amusing that you would put forth the DAC in an iPod as an example of sound quality. I'm sure it sounds better to you than whatever else you compared it to. But I have to ask, have you ever listened to highend headphones, or a sound system for that matter? You do realize that the quality of FLAC files depend on the resolution of the format of the original file they were created and converted from, correct? If that original file was merely "red book" CD quality...so what? There are other formats and mediums which far exceed that of red book. Earbuds are fine for casual listening, but for high quality, you need highend, around-the-ear, open-backed headphones (along with a dedicated headphone amp and/or DAC...or an analog source). And if the recording is not "binaural", then the stereo imaging will still take place inside your head. It won't sound as natural as if it takes place outside the head, such as with a stereo system and speakers...or else a binaural recording. Of course, it also depends on what music you are listening to. If it is "modern" "pop"...then it's a lot less critical what you listen to it on...because it is overly compressed, processed, and usually sounds like crap anyway.

 

[tron]

Hey, how about the most simple thing (sort of):

Since we (are supposed to ) discuss 1DX and 5D3 raw files does anyone have both cameras?

I would like to see the same picture taken with the same lens, same ISO (and hoping the ISO ratings are the same and not say 10% apart...) , Av and Tv by both cameras.
Also the picture could be taken during the day and/or the night.

 

[bdunbar79]

Hey, how about the most simple thing (short of):

Since we (are supposed to ) discuss 1DX and 5D3 raw files does anyone have both cameras?

I would like to see the same picture taken with the same lens, same ISO (and hoping the ISO ratings are the same and not say 10% apart...) , Av and Tv by both cameras.
Also the picture could be taken during the day and/or the night.

I've done this quite a bit. Not so much recently though.

 

[brad goda]

1DsIII and 1Dx is just better sensor than 5D II and III
the 5D had the closest looking IQ 200-400iso daylight/strobe to 1D series...