cayenne said:
3kramd5 said:
Policar said:
3kramd5 said:
Policar said:
I could ask you to describe why Beethoven's 9th is great without using words like "melodious" "beautiful" or discussing texture and composition... Give it a go. You can instantly recognize that it's great, so describe it (don't do any research first, either!) and convince me. Let's say I prefer Wrecking Ball by Miley Cyrus because it has more emotion and lyrics. Convince me otherwise.
Well, I'm not religious, but I certainly recognize the emotions in the lyrical sections of Beethoven's 9th...
Well, there's a convincing argument. ???
It wasn't meant to be.
I'm just pointing out (in perhaps an obnoxious way) that Beethoven's 9th does in fact have emotionally-charged lyrics (not primarily penned by Beethoven, but the same may the the case for Miley), so it may not be the best sample for your argument.
Somehow I seriously doubt that Miley's output will be revered next month, much less in a few decades or 100's of years. I give the Beatles and Stone's output much more of a chance...hell, those have passed the 50yr mark and still get airplay and fairly high sales.
I saw the Stones in October 1989, I was younger then. I liked it a lot. My favorite song from the live performance, was "Undercover". The drum riffs were so punchy and the light show was incredible (and I was at the other end of a football stadium from the stage!). Saw Robert Plant with his band in '90...he was younger then than I am now...kind of freaky!
I agree with your assessment of Mizz Cyrus, as I suspect 99% of the people on this forum over say age 35 might also agree. However, if I had started discussing music in this thread, then all of a sudden people would be saying "sorry we got off topic", "not trying to hijack the thread", "sorry we discussed anything besides the precious Gursky"...etc etc...so I'm glad nobody has called you out on it! I will refrain from apologizing for it, myself!
It's a shame that popular music (especially in the USA) is what it is now. Some of it is ok, but most of it isn't. I think history will show that "Jay Z's" influence on popular music, was more destructive than anyone would suspect now. I also think that it won't take long before people realize that Katie Perry is shrill, can't sing...and has only had maybe two songs that are mediocre, the rest stinkers. Did you see her performance on the Beatles' 50th reunion? I mean...wow she was so flat and off key! Never heard one correct note. Whether that's her style or not, it stinks. Covering that song like that, wouldn't have gotten her more than 3 seconds on an initial home town meet and greet test on American Idol...not that this means all that much either. At least the contestants pretend to try to hit the correct notes (in between screaming their heads off...the louder the better!...and to music they never heard of before 5 minutes pre-performance.) Both Perry and someone like Carrie Underwood, get by on their sex appeal alone, definitely not their talent.
I am pleased that heavy metal music is so popular with young people today, in Europe and South America! I hope I live long enough to see it become popular with teenagers again here! Looks like it will never happen, though.
Music should involve the "artist" both writing their own music, and playing it on some sort of instrument, and actually singing and hitting notes without "autotune". Otherwise it's not music, it's hollow garbage.