50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]

[ScottyP]

How hard can it possibly be to use a non -Bayer pixel pattern like Fuji does? My understanding is Fuji just made the pixel pattern less simple than the little repeating 4-pixel blocks in a Bayer pattern that give us this problem with screen doors/fabric/etc., and this makes the low pass filter unnecessary.

It seems fairly straightforward and not subject to any patent issues vs. Fuji. How could anyone patent "any pattern in the world other than Bayer"?

Note that as a result of using a non-Bayer array, Fuji's cameras have more limited 3rd party support for raw image development than do Bayer array sensors.

That is a good point. I had not thought of it.

HOWEVER, Fuji is Fuji. Canon is Canon. Adobe always does the quickest updates for Canon cameras.

 

[fish_shooter]

if the new camera has enough FPS.
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Touche! It would be amazing if it could do 10 fps like the 7D2 while shooting raw full-sized full-res. images!

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

Thanks all for filter explanation. I understand the concept of an anti-aliasing filter now. Still a bit puzzled about the low pass filter. Several have said the low pass filter is an anti-aliasing filter - but if it passes low frequencies and not high ones, how does that help - and why doesn't it mess with the colour balance of the image?

When someone speaks low pass filter refers to the spatial frequency, not the frequency of light rays (between the infra red and ultraviolet).

Spatial frequency is a series of alternating lines (black and white) in a given physical space. Imagine a test chart with thousands of black and white lines that alternate. As the thinner the line, the higher the spatial frequency.

When the spatial frequency of the test chart coincide with the spatial frequency of the sensor (sensor pixels and lines chart is the same size) moiré occurs.

 

[sanj]

Our favorite expert says "D800E is very slightly sharper, and somewhat more susceptible to moiré patterns and aliasing artifacts.

Aliasing and moiré are potential problems only when photographing man-made things like fabrics, brick walls, screens and tiled roofs that have fine, repeating patterns. The only other potential problems are when photographing star fields or sparkles from the sun on the tops of waves on the sea.

Moiré never happens with natural subjects, except if you're a bug photographer. In any case, you have to work at it to find subjects for which aliasing and moiré are problems, so for me, the slight sharpness improvement of the D800E is more than worth it."

 

[drob]

Question is...is there a need for 50mp cameras or just updates to the cameras they have out now? I can't imagine selling too many 50mp camera (price tag guessing $3500+). How about updating the 6D and 5DMarkIII? I see that appealing more to the masses than a 50mp specialty camera that no one can afford.

 

[Omni Images]

Question is...is there a need for 50mp cameras or just updates to the cameras they have out now? I can't imagine selling too many 50mp camera (price tag guessing $3500+). How about updating the 6D and 5DMarkIII? I see that appealing more to the masses than a 50mp specialty camera that no one can afford.

That's what market leaders do. !
For a brand to be on top, they see the need to cater for all their potential customers, or they should.
Look at their lens line ... how many people will want, need, or afford a 600 or 800mm lens .. but they make them, and they are by no means a token effort just to have it in the line up .. they are the shit !
In my line of work I make a wide range of shapes of skateboards that don't sell as much as the standard shapes, but to be a serious brand in the industry it's something I don't bat an eyelid about stocking.

 

[Sabaki]

Has Canon pulled the trigger on Generation Next maybe?

According to rumours from this site, the 6Dii, next XXXD and the 50mp seems to be substantial leaps over previous iterations

Perhaps we need to up our ambition in terms of what to expect a new camera to deliver by expanding the possible that new technology can bring.

 

[9VIII]

To all the sports, journalism and event photographers out there: No, this camera is not for you. You can safely ignore it, while all the landscape, macro, and "less trigger happy" photographers will gobble the thing up and relish every moment manipulating the huge image files.

 

[mb66energy]

How hard can it possibly be to use a non -Bayer pixel pattern like Fuji does? My understanding is Fuji just made the pixel pattern less simple than the little repeating 4-pixel blocks in a Bayer pattern that give us this problem with screen doors/fabric/etc., and this makes the low pass filter unnecessary.

It seems fairly straightforward and not subject to any patent issues vs. Fuji. How could anyone patent "any pattern in the world other than Bayer"?

Yes, I am bumping my own question. I don't oftrn do that but I really wonder what others think of the question. If they omit the filter, there are compromises. Why not go the Fuji x-trans route and use a less simple pixel pattern?

If it is a question of patents it depends what Fuji has stated in its patent.

If they patented a "non-rectangular and non-aligned sensor pattern" you have no freedom to move from the standard pattern of current Bayer sensors. If you write down a patent it is always a good idea to block as much alternatives for others as you can. Large companies are experts on that - I think.

 

[Jack Douglas]

Tell me is this and example of moiré?

Jack

 

[Maiaibing]

The only consideration then would be if the new camera has enough FPS.

With the speed Nikon is delivering with the new 750D I would be very surprised if a high megapix Canon camera does not match the 5DIII (or close enough) in fps. I actually expect it to be slightly faster. 5DIII is not a fast shooter already.

 

[Maiaibing]

Question is...is there a need for 50mp cameras or just updates to the cameras they have out now? I can't imagine selling too many 50mp camera (price tag guessing $3500+). How about updating the 6D and 5DMarkIII? I see that appealing more to the masses than a 50mp specialty camera that no one can afford.

Well, the 5DIII was given an intro price of 3.500 so that seems to be the range Canon is going for. I expect the initial price to be a little lower to match Nikon's agressive pricing strategy.

How is introducing a 50 megapix camera less appealing and more special than when the ground breaking 5D and 5DII where taken to market by Canon? Are you still shooting 8 megapix?

If the specs are right I'll very likely even preorder Canon's newest and finest offer (never did that before...).

 

[wockawocka]

I gave up waiting and bought a 645z

Don't hate me.

Hope you will relate you experience with the 645z in future posts.
You know we are all secretly jealous....right?

I'm doing a write up on it now. It's really good and the best image quality I've seen on any camera, anywhere.

Plus the skin tones are great. Sony finally sorted their stuff out in that regard.

 

[fragilesi]

Probably because each Canon camera is so much like the previous one in terms of IQ, there is very little for Adobe to tune!

Gotta hand it to you Dilbert old bean you can squeeze a dig about IQ into just about the tiniest and least relevant opportunities imaginable.

 

[mb66energy]

How hard can it possibly be to use a non -Bayer pixel pattern like Fuji does? My understanding is Fuji just made the pixel pattern less simple than the little repeating 4-pixel blocks in a Bayer pattern that give us this problem with screen doors/fabric/etc., and this makes the low pass filter unnecessary.

It seems fairly straightforward and not subject to any patent issues vs. Fuji. How could anyone patent "any pattern in the world other than Bayer"?

Note that as a result of using a non-Bayer array, Fuji's cameras have more limited 3rd party support for raw image development than do Bayer array sensors.

That is a good point. I had not thought of it.

HOWEVER, Fuji is Fuji. Canon is Canon. Adobe always does the quickest updates for Canon cameras.

Probably because each Canon camera is so much like the previous one in terms of IQ, there is very little for Adobe to tune!

Maybe but the Fuji-specific pattern is on the market for years, as far as I know. If you have the basic programming for the pattern the rest might be minor adaptions.

I think it doesn't matter if you have 18 (magic number) or 24 or 36 MPix / 11 or 14 bit of DR for the basic conversion from bayer pattern -> rgb pixel. Changes in spectral sensitivity distribution for R, G and B pixels might be much more complicated to adapt!

If Adobe has lens distortion correction algorithms/data for sensor-lens combinations Canon has much more to do than others to supply the data for a new sensor - something like 120 datasets to measure and evaluate ...

 

[weixing]

I gave up waiting and bought a 645z

Don't hate me.

Hope you will relate you experience with the 645z in future posts.
You know we are all secretly jealous....right?

I'm doing a write up on it now. It's really good and the best image quality I've seen on any camera, anywhere.

Plus the skin tones are great. Sony finally sorted their stuff out in that regard.

Hi,
Err... I thought 645z is a Pentax camera?? Although they use Sony sensor, but the final colour output had nothing to do with the sensor... it's the camera firmware that determine the image colour, not the sensor.

Have a nice day.

 

[canonvoir]

The questions become what quality suffering do cheaper non L lens photos are produce?

Which, if any, L lenses aresuitedfor 50MP?

Will Sony's offering be more attractive in both price and size?

Will Canon shooters continue to jump ship at the current rate?

 

[fragilesi]

The questions become what quality suffering do cheaper non L lens photos are produce?

Which, if any, L lenses aresuitedfor 50MP?

I don't understand the first question.

As for the second, if L lenses aren't suited for 50MP which Sony ones are suited for their cameras . . .

Will Sony's offering be more attractive in both price and size?

Depends on what you want it for. It may well be for some people.

Will Canon shooters continue to jump ship at the current rate?

What rate is that? I see lots of people saying they will, very few saying they have.

 

[Maiaibing]

To all the sports, journalism and event photographers out there: No, this camera is not for you. You can safely ignore it, while all the landscape, macro, and "less trigger happy" photographers will gobble the thing up and relish every moment manipulating the huge image files.

? Never stop to wonder how people define other photographer's needs.

I mostly do these three kind of shots plus I usually go back with a couple of thousand shots - and I'll certainly get one early. And another on top if its a good experience.

As for fps I'm sure it'll be at least as fast as the 5DII's that have served me so very well the last 5 years. Processor capacity has easily jumped enough since back then to handle 50 mp swiftly.

 

[canonvoir]

The Sony 55mm 1.8 is defintely suited for 50MP. I'm guessing most if not all (even though they just have a handful) of the Sonys are good for 50MP. They seem to have produced their own L lens lineup without producing too many non L types. Defintely going for higher end.

First question, what effect will non L canon lenses have on photo quality from a FF 50MP camera?

Don't know the rate but I see it happen more and more both professionally and with high profile shooters. I myself will be making a decision on picking up a new Sony or Canon once everyone puts their cards on the table. IBIS is a strong draw for me with video.

I've even seen a high profile photographer shooting Sony at an SEC football game.