5D Black AF points...NOTHING + Spot-meter?

[LifeAfter]

Hello,

What do you guys thing,
Will Canon arrange this or not? if yes, when?
The next firmware that is about to be released in April, apparently will not include this!!!!

And... i cannot really realize that Canon didn't make the spot-meter function to any AF point
at least to some of them!!!! can it be done via a firmware???

I know that is not up to us but just to have a better idea of any possible firmware,
Thank you for your opinions

 

[J.R.]

My expectations ... no and no!

Canon does a great job crippling features to protect the higher bodies so I don't think these features will be available for the 5D3 (thanks in advance Canon!).

 

[LifeAfter]

If not Canon, than some third party software like Magic Lantern??

 

[J.R.]

Probably ... the ML guys are excellent. I'd have more hope from ML than Canon

 

[LifeAfter]

Anyway the 1D x has 12/14 fps, grip integrated,
better battery life... i mean Nikon did this with D800 (Resolution, Spot-meter, Auto ISO...)

They f***ed us up with the 5D II from the original 5D autofocus,
OK the 5D III is a lot better, but they still didn't do what is as important
as having all those AF points (crosstypes)... Spot-meter to any AF point

The real advantage over the 5D II is only the Autofocus..and yet not complete!!!

Am i wrong?

 

[LifeAfter]

Without mentioning the price of the D800 among other advantages...
Anyway i don't really care about any Brand, should it be Canon, Nikon
Or any other Brand. What i care is photography,
but for that i need the appropriate tool.

Nevertheless i think Canon makes good Cameras,
but we should admit that often leaves a lot to be desired.

5DIII

3200 $
22mpx
6fps


D800

2600$
36mpx
4fps
Spot-meter AF points linked
Better Auto ISO
Higher DR


As i said this shoudn't really
in any way be another D800 vs 5DIII battle
Juste compare what a brand gives for the money
In comparison to another... It's just not right

So Canon really pisses us of with their attitude

 

[RMC33]

The real advantage over the 5D II is only the Autofocus..and yet not complete!!!

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Better High ISO, better layout/ergonomics, better AFMA, better grip, better video (I can't honestly comment on this as I have never shot video with any DSLR), Nice having an extra card slot just in case (should have been a CF card!), better high end card performance (if that matters to you), The AF on the Mk3 blows the Mk2 out of the water, better NR, better processor and I feel a much better overall build.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

This has been discussed, and it was noted long ago not to expect a solution due to technical issues with the exposure system.
All this was well known to the OP and to me before I bought the camera, so I do not like it, but I have no complaints coming either.
And, I did first buy a D800, sorry, but the grass is not greener.

 

[LifeAfter]

I'm really curious (while i don't know really)
What D800 leaves out? What should it have,
to be better than 5D III ?

I don't think it's too much what we're asking

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I'm really curious (while i don't know really)
What D800 leaves out? What should it have,
to be better than 5D III ?

I don't think it's too much what we're asking

As soon as you shoot off 1500 photos at a event, and bring them back to post process, you will find that the time to process each image is about 5-10 times longer. That runs up serious amounts of time that could be earning $$$. Then, at high ISO's, there is a ton of noise. If you downsize the image to 8mp like DXO does, then its pretty much invisible, so go buy a 8mp body instead.

Next, is the live view, which I likke to use extensively. Its so slow that its very difficult to use for manual focus due to the delay.

Finally, Nikon is missing lenses that equal the 24-105mmL, the 135mmL, and either the 100-400mmL or the 400mm f/5.6L. I used a 24-70mm f/2.8G, and it had so much CA that lightroom could not correct it at the edges.
My fingertips were also always touching the buttons on the rightside by the grip (I have long fingers), this locked up the shutter button.

At ISO 100 - ISO 400, the camera was supurb, but I tend to use ISO 6400 and up, where the noise causes monster sized image files and a looooong time to run NR.

The D800 is a very nice camera for landscape hobbyists who do not shoot thousands of images, and can spend hours setting up and taking images and then in post production to get that one perfect image. You do need a heavy and stable tripod as well as a top lens to actually get the benefit of those 36 mp. Camera testers spend hours trying to beef up their already excellent techniques and setups to be able to see the improvement.

 

[bdunbar79]

Without mentioning the price of the D800 among other advantages...
Anyway i don't really care about any Brand, should it be Canon, Nikon
Or any other Brand. What i care is photography,
but for that i need the appropriate tool.

Nevertheless i think Canon makes good Cameras,
but we should admit that often leaves a lot to be desired.

5DIII

3200 $
22mpx
6fps


D800

2600$
36mpx
4fps
Spot-meter AF points linked
Better Auto ISO
Higher DR


As i said this shoudn't really
in any way be another D800 vs 5DIII battle
Juste compare what a brand gives for the money
In comparison to another... It's just not right

So Canon really pisses us of with their attitude

I think you're missing the whole point of the 5D Mark III. Canon customers complained about the AF of the 5D Mark II, so Canon answered with a "better than a 7D" autofocus system in a 5D Mark II, and called it the 5D Mark III. Better AF leads doesn't just mean quicker, it also means more accurate, which are both true over the 5D Mark II. You get a higher hit rate and slightly cleaner images with NR at high ISO over the 5D2. Canon customers complained about the noise of high ISO 7D images, so now you have a 5D2 and 7D in one.

The D800 is not competing with the 5D Mark III's market. The 5D Mark III is for wedding photographers and perhaps towards non-pro sports photogs as well. The D800 with 36 MP is not feasible to use to shoot sports and weddings, as the file size is unnecessary and the additional 14 MP provides no perceivable increase in IQ for weddings and sports. That's really all that matters since the 5D3 is targeting those photographers.

If you want spot metering linked to all AF points, you'll have to go for a 1D or 1Ds body for Canon. Is it really that important? For me, no, because I never use it, ever. I take several meter readings with the center point and then make an informed decision on what I want my metering to be for the scene. Spot metering linked to AF point is, however, useful for bird photogs and sometimes sports. I have certainly used it for sports on my 1D bodies, but I was being paid for those events, so a 5D body wasn't really considered to use either. To be clear, I don't use that feature anymore.

I don't get the negative arguments against the 5D Mark III. It answers everyone's complaints about the 5D2 and the 7D. Period. I have no idea what market the D800 is targeting, since none of Nikon's lenses can even maximally use the 36 MP sensor.

 

[Loswr]

I have no idea what market the D800 is targeting, since none of Nikon's lenses can even maximally use the 36 MP sensor.

The 5DII trounced the D700 in sales. Nikon assumed it was due to 21 MP vs. 12 MP. So, Nikon skated to where the puck used to be, and developed the 36 MP D800. Canon listened to Wayne and skated to where the puck was going - they developed the 5DIII, which seems to be trouncing the D800 in sales.

 

[bdunbar79]

I have no idea what market the D800 is targeting, since none of Nikon's lenses can even maximally use the 36 MP sensor.

The 5DII trounced the D700 in sales. Nikon assumed it was due to 21 MP vs. 12 MP. So, Nikon skated to where the puck used to be, and developed the 36 MP D800. Canon listened to Wayne and skated to where the puck was going - they developed the 5DIII, which seems to be trouncing the D800 in sales.

So in other words, Canon actually does deliver on what most photographers want? Wow!

 

[Zlatko]

The real advantage over the 5D II is only the Autofocus..and yet not complete!!!

Better High ISO, better layout/ergonomics, better AFMA, better grip, better video (I can't honestly comment on this as I have never shot video with any DSLR), Nice having an extra card slot just in case (should have been a CF card!), better high end card performance (if that matters to you), The AF on the Mk3 blows the Mk2 out of the water, better NR, better processor and I feel a much better overall build.

... and to add to that: more responsive shutter, shorter mirror blackout, 100% viewfinder, two amazing quiet shutter modes, good implementation of auto-ISO, better auto white balance, higher frame rate, etc. So, the hugely improved autofocus is definitely NOT the "only" real advantage.

I agree with Mt Spokane who writes that the "grass is not greener". Look at the current star ratings on Amazon.com:

D800: 42 out of 239 are 1 star (worst) ratings = 17.5%
D600: 40 out 225 are 1 star (worst) ratings = 17.7%

5D3: 4 out of 201 are 1 star (worst) ratings = 2%
6D: 0 out of 58 are 1 star (worst) ratings = 0%

Based on specs on paper, those Nikon models should be providing greater value. But based on customer ratings, they are providing greater dissatisfaction.

 

[LifeAfter]

Thank you all guys for all ..

While i still think that - anyway we merited
That those small imperfections were repaired
by a firmware, considering the price we pay for it

I do agree with you that 5D III is a lot better
camera in a lot of aspects, with autofocus being
the most improved
(i don't really agree with the "a lot better high iso
less noise")

I do think that earns A LOT more for what it gives
to us, comparing Nikon with the D800

 

[bdunbar79]

Thank you all guys for all ..

While i still think that - anyway we merited
That those small imperfections were repaired
by a firmware, considering the price we pay for it

I do agree with you that 5D III is a lot better
camera in a lot of aspects, with autofocus being
the most improved
(i don't really agree with the "a lot better high iso
less noise")

I do think that earns A LOT more for what it gives
to us, comparing Nikon with the D800

I won't disagree with you that if Nikon would produce a few prime lenses that could make full use of the 36 MP sensor, the D800 would be an even more outstanding camera than it is. As it is though, consumers aren't really buying it as much as Canon, because the high MP's aren't reflected in IQ. That is yet to be seen and I think there is a lot of potential there.

 

[rlarsen]

Regarding AF point-linked spot metering, be careful what you wish for. The original EOS 1-D had that and I found it terrible, especially with flash metering. Unless the little AF sensor is on a mid-toned part of the subject your metering will be off, and often way off.

After a long time of frustration and bad exposures I discovered a helpful solution with the 1-D. By turning off AF on the lens, the metering pattern switched to average. Sure I had to give up AF but metering came closer to reliable.

Now improved light-up AF points like my old 1-D MK ll, that's worth wishing for.

....and firmware announced for April. Pretty damn odd that firmware is announced months before it becomes available. Isn't this a first ?

 

[EvillEmperor]

Why does everyone complain about the black ad points? News flash! You can disable them not to all appear at once or just show a few ad points! It doesn't bother me on the 7D or 5D. Spot meter, I can understand, but really, the black AF points can easily be avoided!

 

[dlleno]

The real advantage over the 5D II is only the Autofocus..and yet not complete!!!

Better High ISO, better layout/ergonomics, better AFMA, better grip, better video (I can't honestly comment on this as I have never shot video with any DSLR), Nice having an extra card slot just in case (should have been a CF card!), better high end card performance (if that matters to you), The AF on the Mk3 blows the Mk2 out of the water, better NR, better processor and I feel a much better overall build.

... and to add to that: more responsive shutter, shorter mirror blackout, 100% viewfinder, two amazing quiet shutter modes, good implementation of auto-ISO, better auto white balance, higher frame rate, etc. So, the hugely improved autofocus is definitely NOT the "only" real advantage.

I agree with Mt Spokane who writes that the "grass is not greener". Look at the current star ratings on Amazon.com:

D800: 42 out of 239 are 1 star (worst) ratings = 17.5%
D600: 40 out 225 are 1 star (worst) ratings = 17.7%

5D3: 4 out of 201 are 1 star (worst) ratings = 2%
6D: 0 out of 58 are 1 star (worst) ratings = 0%

Based on specs on paper, those Nikon models should be providing greater value. But based on customer ratings, they are providing greater dissatisfaction.

these data may be more telling than the sales figures and number of 5-star ratings. I would naturally expect the 5DIII to outsell the D800 because of brand loyalty, the tremendous installed base, and existing glass investments. Neither are first-time cameras, which means the two never really competed 100% on the merits the body only. and neither should they.

It is interesting to note that the D800s superior DR at base ISO is a whopping don't care for the vast majority of the target 5D3 market.

 

[Loswr]

As I wrote in this thread, if you look at Amazon.com's Top Rated dSLRs, the 5DIII is #1, the top 15 spots are Canon cameras, and the Nikon D800 doesn't even make the Top 100. Pretty telling...