5D MkIV battery % is easily thrown off, shows lower than actual life left

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I admit to being a Wasabi fanboy. I bought a couple when I got my 5D3 and they worked with no issues at all until Canon updated the camera firmware. Then the camera started telling me that I had in irregular connection with my Wasabis and I had to tell it to continue anyway. A minor problem, but annoying.

About a year later, I picked up some more Wasabis to replace a couple of Canon batteries that weren't holding much of a charge and I discovered that Wasabi had fixed the firmware incompatability. I wonder if Wasabi will update their batteries again to deal with the new 5D4 problem?

As for the issue of exploding batteries... There are many types of lithium batteries and battery packs out there and I assume the manufacturing process has evolved since the airline warnings were issued several years ago. I'd like to know if anyone has had this happen with the type of photo/video battery packs that we are currently using?
 
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drmikeinpdx said:
As for the issue of exploding batteries... There are many types of lithium batteries and battery packs out there and I assume the manufacturing process has evolved since the airline warnings were issued several years ago. I'd like to know if anyone has had this happen with the type of photo/video battery packs that we are currently using?

You would assume wrong. If anything there are more issues with them, because they are so numerous, and because there are so many that don't meet the basic safety standards. There are many cheap chargers which do not contain the proper safety temperature and charging controls that can damage a battery so it later fails.

Fedex regulations on Li-on batteries went into effect this year, not several years ago. Samsung Batteries in their cell phones melted down last fall, not years ago. HP batteries for a laptop were just recalled in January, only 6 months after a similar recall.

Yes, tougher safety standards were implemented about 3 years ago, but Li-on batteries continue to melt down. These I mentioned are the high quality batteries, not the cheap knock-offs which seem to destroy a cell phone a day.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/01/25/hp-expands-recall-laptop-batteries/97042680/

http://wpri.com/2017/01/04/toshiba-expands-recall-of-laptop-batteries/

http://fox43.com/2017/02/08/sony-recall-affects-18-laptop-models-lithium-ion-battery-pack-poses-burn-and-fire-hazard/


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/13/rechargeable-lithium-batteries-come-with-fire-risk/

Why is this still happening?

Why Li-ion Batteries Explode Normally, it’s a manufacturing defect, and apparently that was the situation with the Note7 phones. But the underlying issue is that Li-ion batteries contain a lot of energy in a compact package—which, of course, is why they are used in everything from phones to Tesla electric cars.
A Li-ion battery has an energy density of up to around 160 watt hours per kilogram (Wh/kg), roughly twice that of a fresh alkaline battery or a NiCad rechargeable battery. To produce that power it relies on three main components: the positively charged cathode, which is made of metal oxide, the negatively charged anode, which is made of graphite, and the liquid electrolyte—a solvent containing lithium salts—that enables the electric charge to flow between the two poles.
Like two troublemakers in a grammar school classroom, the cathode and the anode need to be physically separated. Lithium-ion batteries accomplish that with a permeable polyethylene separator, which can be as little as 10 microns thick. As batteries improve and engineers try to pack more power into a smaller package, that thin plastic separator is taxed to its limit.
“The separator has really gotten thin,” says Isidor Buchmann, founder and CEO of Cadex, a battery equipment manufacturer that also runs the educational website Battery University. “And when that happens, the battery becomes more delicate.”
When the separator is breached, it causes a short circuit, which starts a process called thermal runaway. According to Abraham, this is one of the major ways that fires begin. The chemicals inside the battery begin to heat up, which causes further degradation of the separator. The battery can eventually hit temperatures of more than 1,000° F. At that point the flammable electrolyte can ignite or even explode when exposed to the oxygen in the air."
 
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The irony is that we're debating the merits of buying OEM batteries vs third party, but your argument that they may be unsafe is based on citing examples where batteries from OEM manufacturers had problems with catching on fire.

Don't pretend that Canon isn't cost cutting every fraction of a cent out of the costs of production of their batteries just like everyone else who's making batteries. When they are choosing where to source the cells for the batteries, they are looking for the cheapest price, just like everyone else. Sure, maybe they use a bit more mainstream supplier, but the cells are still made as cheaply as possible. They just have the luxury of being able to stamp their logo on them and sell them for $60 each.

Looking at the reviews of those batteries on Amazon, there are nearly 2000 positive reviews. There are a few negatives as well, but none of them that I saw mention anything about the batteries melting down. Given that there seem to be no reports of these batteries catching fire, I have a hard time believing I'm getting a much larger margin of safety by buying Canon batteries.



Anyway, back to the original topic, it seems that my camera is still pretty inaccurate as far as the battery life. It would be nice to have a better measure of battery capacity, but having two spares on hand when I go out to shoot gives nice piece of mind. And that cost about $39, as opposed to $180 if I had bought Canon batteries. If I was that worried about the inaccuracy of the third party battery meter, I could buy 13 third party batteries for that $180. Granted, that's a lot to carry around, but it isn't like their actual performance seems to be much worse than an OEM battery, so it's not like I would have to carry around all those batteries, but if I wanted the piece of mind...
 
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I have used Wasabi versions of the E6 for several years with my 70d and now my 7d mk ii.

I usually get around 700-800 shots from one of the Wasabi batteries, around 1000 from the e6 that came with my 70d, and around 1200-1300 from my e6n that came with the 7d mk ii.

I have 4 of the Wasabi ones, and only one has ever given me an issue and that was just that the 70d was saying it was unrecognized after using it for a while. It works fine with the mk ii.
 
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Keep in mind that if you put a Canon LP-E6 battery or one of its clones into the charger with more than about 90% power remaining it will not charge at all. The chip will be reset to show 100% power and 0 frames shot. But no energy will be added to the battery. So when you start using it the camera will show an initial reduction in power very rapidly. To get a full recharge you should wait until the battery has less than 70% before charging.

In my experience, high quality third party batteries outperform the OEM batteries from Canon over the long haul.

I have four camera bodies that use variants of the LP-E6: A 5D Mark II purchased in 2011, a 7D purchased in 2012, a 5D Mark III purchased in 2014, and a 7D Mark II purchased in 2014. With each camera purchase I also bought at least a couple of extra third party batteries and rotated the OEM and third party batteries equally through the cameras.

Of the OEM LP-E6 batteries supplied with each of them the following is their current condition:

2011 - Recharge performance shows one *red* bar. The battery only lasts 60-80 shots in the 5D II it was supplied with. When it was new I could routinely shoot 600-800 frames and still had 40-50% left at the end of an all day shoot. (I no longer use this battery other than to charge and then test it occasionally.)
2012 - Battery was misplaced circa 2014. It was still performing well in use but the recharge performance had already dropped to two of three green bars.
2014 - Recharge performance currently shows two green bars and lasts about 80% as long as it did when new.
2015 - (LP-E6N) Recharge performance currently shows two green bars and lasts about 85-90% as long as it did when new.

I currently also own 5 MaximalPower (available only from amazon) LP-E6 batteries with white labels purchased in 2011-2012, 2 MaximalPower LP-E6 batteries with dark gray labels purchased in 2014, 2 STK LP-E6 batteries purchased in 2015, and one Watson LP-E6N I got (as a freebie w/camera purchase from B&H) in 2015. All ten of the third party batteries still show three green bars when the recharge performance is displayed. It may be that they won't ever actually change the displayed value. I can't say for sure because every one of them still works somewhere between as well as to much better than the OEM Canon batteries that are the same respective ages.

The 5 older MPs (2011-12 vintage) are showing their age a bit and last about 80-85% as long as they did when new and their performance was about the same as the OEM batteries at the time. They were used heavily until the two newest cameras were purchased in 2014-15.
They communicate perfectly with the 5DII and 7D. They do not communicate percentage, number of frames, or serial number with the 5DIII and 7DII, but they still power them for about 80% as long as my newer batteries do. I no longer regularly shoot with the 7D and I use the 5DII sparingly when in a three body setup, so those 5 batteries rotate through a single 5DII that currently sees only lighter use.

The 2 LP-E6 MPs (2014 vintage) communicate perfectly with the 5DIII and 7DII. They now last longer than the 2 OEM Canon batteries that are the same age or newer. The two I have are labeled 'LP-E6 2,000 mAh' but the same SKU at amazon is now labeled on the battery as 'LP-E6N 2,000 mAh'.
The 2 STK LP-E6 (2015) batteries communicate perfectly with the 5DIII and 7DII. They are marked "2600 mAh" and while they do last longer than the 1865 mAh LP-E6N that came with the 7DII, they don't last 40% longer. The difference is more like 10-15% and has been since all were new.
 
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Michael Clark said:
Keep in mind that if you put a Canon LP-E6 battery or one of its clones into the charger with more than about 90% power remaining it will not charge at all. The chip will be reset to show 100% power and 0 frames shot. But no energy will be added to the battery. So when you start using it the camera will show an initial reduction in power very rapidly. To get a full recharge you should wait until the battery has less than 70% before charging.

Do you have any references to back that up? As far as I am aware, Lithium ion batteries do not have a memory effect, and modern Ni rechargeable batteries have been designed to overcome that limitation (and by 'modern' I mean anything in the last 4 years).
 
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Michael Clark said:
Keep in mind that if you put a Canon LP-E6 battery or one of its clones into the charger with more than about 90% power remaining it will not charge at all. The chip will be reset to show 100% power and 0 frames shot. But no energy will be added to the battery. So when you start using it the camera will show an initial reduction in power very rapidly. To get a full recharge you should wait until the battery has less than 70% before charging.

In my experience, high quality third party batteries outperform the OEM batteries from Canon over the long haul.

I have four camera bodies that use variants of the LP-E6: A 5D Mark II purchased in 2011, a 7D purchased in 2012, a 5D Mark III purchased in 2014, and a 7D Mark II purchased in 2014. With each camera purchase I also bought at least a couple of extra third party batteries and rotated the OEM and third party batteries equally through the cameras.

Of the OEM LP-E6 batteries supplied with each of them the following is their current condition:

2011 - Recharge performance shows one *red* bar. The battery only lasts 60-80 shots in the 5D II it was supplied with. When it was new I could routinely shoot 600-800 frames and still had 40-50% left at the end of an all day shoot. (I no longer use this battery other than to charge and then test it occasionally.)
2012 - Battery was misplaced circa 2014. It was still performing well in use but the recharge performance had already dropped to two of three green bars.
2014 - Recharge performance currently shows two green bars and lasts about 80% as long as it did when new.
2015 - (LP-E6N) Recharge performance currently shows two green bars and lasts about 85-90% as long as it did when new.

I currently also own 5 MaximalPower (available only from amazon) LP-E6 batteries with white labels purchased in 2011-2012, 2 MaximalPower LP-E6 batteries with dark gray labels purchased in 2014, 2 STK LP-E6 batteries purchased in 2015, and one Watson LP-E6N I got (as a freebie w/camera purchase from B&H) in 2015. All ten of the third party batteries still show three green bars when the recharge performance is displayed. It may be that they won't ever actually change the displayed value. I can't say for sure because every one of them still works somewhere between as well as to much better than the OEM Canon batteries that are the same respective ages.

The 5 older MPs (2011-12 vintage) are showing their age a bit and last about 80-85% as long as they did when new and their performance was about the same as the OEM batteries at the time. They were used heavily until the two newest cameras were purchased in 2014-15.
They communicate perfectly with the 5DII and 7D. They do not communicate percentage, number of frames, or serial number with the 5DIII and 7DII, but they still power them for about 80% as long as my newer batteries do. I no longer regularly shoot with the 7D and I use the 5DII sparingly when in a three body setup, so those 5 batteries rotate through a single 5DII that currently sees only lighter use.

The 2 LP-E6 MPs (2014 vintage) communicate perfectly with the 5DIII and 7DII. They now last longer than the 2 OEM Canon batteries that are the same age or newer. The two I have are labeled 'LP-E6 2,000 mAh' but the same SKU at amazon is now labeled on the battery as 'LP-E6N 2,000 mAh'.
The 2 STK LP-E6 (2015) batteries communicate perfectly with the 5DIII and 7DII. They are marked "2600 mAh" and while they do last longer than the 1865 mAh LP-E6N that came with the 7DII, they don't last 40% longer. The difference is more like 10-15% and has been since all were new.

I have used third party batteries since my 5D-OG. No worries at all. Chinese batteries only held about a 75% charge but that was expected. The Wasabi's were very kind to me.

Since I sold my 5D3 and 7D2, my Wasabi's have shown a marked decline in life in my 5D4. About 10% per night!! When I plug them in at 75%, they blink for a few minutes on the OEM charger, then turn green. I plug them back into the battery grip and they show 100%. WTF.

I'm not sure what to trust. I have had my 5D4 sit in my bag, WiFI and *** off and the batteries drain at an exorbitant rate. I trust the Wasabi's since I used them a lot in my 5D3. The only batteries that showed me the dreaded "one bar of charge life left" were the OEM Canon LP-E6's. Go figure. Lost here...
 
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