5D mkIV upgrade

[brianftpc]

This camera will most likely be in the same boat with someone upgrading from a 1Dx to the 1Dx mk2. If you dont do video with the camera you will be very disappointed.

Your pictures will most likely look identical in the same shooting situations at an equal ISO as they did with the previous version of the camera 3 or 4 years ago.

You will most likely get the F8 autofocus upgrade of the 1Dx mk2 and antiflicker but past that all you will see different in this camera will be slightly larger megapixel count and tons of video upgrades. If you only take pictures this will be an upgrade worth skipping.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

That's a strange assumption to make, especially considering there are currently only guesses as to what specs the camera will have. It only takes the implementation of one good feature, say eye control focus, to make shooting with the mark 4 superior to shooting with the mark 3. Couple this with general improvements around the board, and suddenly whatever they release is far better than the mark 3.

 

[Loswr]

It's a reasonable assumption. How many in-line, one-generation upgrades are major, much less comprehensive? They are generally either a bunch of incremental changes or one big change while everything else stays nearly the same.

IMO, Canon's upgrades are mainly intended to get people to move up to a higher line. The 5DIV will appeal most to 6D and 7DII owners, less to 5DIII owners.

 

[Mikehit]

Very odd conclusions.

someone upgrading from a 1Dx to the 1Dx mk2. If you dont do video with the camera you will be very disappointed.

Several people have upgraded when saying they don't do video. The changes may be individually (relatively) small but taken together seem to make it worthwhile. Similarly, with the 7D2, the attraction was not so much the better noise performance over the 7D (about 1.5 stops to my eye) but the f8 AF and the better AF system.

I would say f8 AF is a great improvement for wildlife photographers, and anti-flicker has been a great advantage to event shooters. So put both of those into the 5DIV and you could find many converts in quick fashion. Add a 4-year improvement in sensor technology and I think it will be quite a popular upgrade even without a headline gizmo.

 

[Loswr]

I would say f8 AF is a great improvement for wildlife photographers

I think expanded f/8 AF coverage (compared to the single selectable f/8 point in the 1D X and 5DIII) will make more of a difference in the 5D line (and 7D line) than the 1D line. My rationale is that many people using 1-series bodies will get (i.e. can afford) a longer lens, to a point. 5- and 7-series shooters are probably more likely to be adding a 1.4x TC to a 100-400 or 400/5.6, whereas most wildlife shooters who can afford a 1-series body will get a great white (500/600/800) to go with it, and in that case using a 2x (or 1.4x in the case of the 800/5.6) becomes about IQ as much as AF.

The 7DII was an exception to the 'incremental' upgrades, btu keep in mind that was a relatively long upgrade cycle.

 

[unfocused]

This is completely predictable.

Whenever any new model comes out, people whine that it is "just an incremental" update.

Then, in three or four years when the next model comes out, these same people talk about how the previous update was major but that the current one is "just incremental."

 

[romanr74]

This camera will most likely be in the same boat with someone upgrading from a 1Dx to the 1Dx mk2. If you dont do video with the camera you will be very disappointed.

Your pictures will most likely look identical in the same shooting situations at an equal ISO as they did with the previous version of the camera 3 or 4 years ago.

You will most likely get the F8 autofocus upgrade of the 1Dx mk2 and antiflicker but past that all you will see different in this camera will be slightly larger megapixel count and tons of video upgrades. If you only take pictures this will be an upgrade worth skipping.

ehmm...
- what is the purpose of this post?
- how can you predict other people's epxectiations and thus satisfaction?
- why don't you just express your opinion?
- why do you believe you should take decisions for others?

 

[Sporgon]

Hmm.... I wonder.

For many, the 5DII was hardly an incremental upgrade from the 5D. It offered increased resolution, much faster processing, much improved rear screen, live view, AFMA, and of course, video.

The 5DIII then gave a vastly improved AF system, much better high iso performance ( a much higher QE over the first two), much faster frame rate (relatively). An upgrade in build to genuine pro status. Anyone wanting a very capable all round camera was well served by upgrading.

So I presume the OP is saying 'what can they do now to make a big step forward over the III', without really treading on the 1 series toes. Will the IV be the first incremental up grade go the 5 series ? Well we really don't know. I can't believe how watertight Canon have kept the info on this new camera. The 1 series is a bit different because Canon have always pushed the boat out on it, whereas the 5 series has gradually been catching the 1 series up in some areas. Canon could surprise us yet !

 

[FEBS]

I upgraded a few weeks ago my 2 1Dx to 1Dx mkII. No, not because I'm interested in video. But the AF is improved. The AF points at F8 now 61 points compared to previous 1 point gives me a lot more of composition freedom. The build in GPS tagging, the flicker detection was what I needed. The increase in megapixel as the increase in fps I get as bonus but are not the reason I upgraded.

 

[Eersel]

This camera will most likely be in the same boat with someone upgrading from a 1Dx to the 1Dx mk2. If you dont do video with the camera you will be very disappointed.

Your pictures will most likely look identical in the same shooting situations at an equal ISO as they did with the previous version of the camera 3 or 4 years ago.

You will most likely get the F8 autofocus upgrade of the 1Dx mk2 and antiflicker but past that all you will see different in this camera will be slightly larger megapixel count and tons of video upgrades. If you only take pictures this will be an upgrade worth skipping.

Sounds like a troll to me.

Anyways! Considering we are 4 years into the MK III life cycle and taking into account all of the technological advancements that have come in those year, I'm plenty confident that the Mk IV will offer some substantial improvements.

I mean, if Canon doesn't think they need to make a splash with this new body, they are going to lose a large chunk of business to Nikon.

They've had 2 years to look at the D810 and get the game together.

No mediocre.

 

[romanr74]

...if Canon doesn't think they need to make a splash with this new body, they are going to lose a large chunk of business to Nikon.

are they? what else do you know about the future?

 

[Loswr]

I mean, if Canon doesn't think they need to make a splash with this new body, they are going to lose a large chunk of business to Nikon.

They've had 2 years to look at the D810 and get the game together.

You mean the two years in which the 5DIII outsold the D810, which followed the two years in which the 5DIII outsold the D800? Remember when the D810 was launched in 2014? Nikon lost 2.5% of their ILC market share that year.

So, what do you think Canon has learned over the past four years? :

 

[Ozarker]

This camera will most likely be in the same boat with someone upgrading from a 1Dx to the 1Dx mk2. If you dont do video with the camera you will be very disappointed.

Your pictures will most likely look identical in the same shooting situations at an equal ISO as they did with the previous version of the camera 3 or 4 years ago.

You will most likely get the F8 autofocus upgrade of the 1Dx mk2 and antiflicker but past that all you will see different in this camera will be slightly larger megapixel count and tons of video upgrades. If you only take pictures this will be an upgrade worth skipping.

Well, we now know you are wrong on the video prediction.

So far the stills guys are happy too.

8mp is a pretty healthy leap too.

I'm mostly skipping the upgrade so that I can buy a pot to piss in. :'(

 

[tron]

1. They will probably fix the (slight) banding issue and they will increase DR in low ISO (just like the 1Dx -> 1DxII improvement).

2. I also hope for say 0.5 stop improvement in high iso.

3. Also they may increase fps a little. (7 to 8 seems reasonable)

All in all it will be an even better general purpose camera.

 

[tron]

...
The 7DII was an exception to the 'incremental' upgrades, btu keep in mind that was a relatively long upgrade cycle.

If I recall correctly:

7D->7DII: 2009 Fall -?> 2014 Fall = 5 years

5DIII->5DIV: 2012 Spring -> 2016 Fall = 4.5 years.

Their update cycles differ just 0.5 year. So Canon 5D series had also a rather long upgrade cycle.

 

[Loswr]

Their update cycles differ just 0.5 year. So Canon 5D series had also a rather long upgrade cycle.

Good point, thanks!