5DIII/X Kit Lens? (please vote)
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With the 24-70II its a 5000 'kit'. A lot too much expensive for most users vs the actual versions of both togheter.
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Please not the stinkin 24-105 only! (although one kit probably needs to be this since the 24-70 II kit would get to be $$)
I really hope they offer a second kit with the 24-70 II! That might be the only way any of us actually manage to afford the 24-70 II. If they body is coming in at a pricey $3500 and with the 24-70 II above the stratosphere they gotta give us some sort of a break to manage this.
I really hope they offer a second kit with the 24-70 II! That might be the only way any of us actually manage to afford the 24-70 II. If they body is coming in at a pricey $3500 and with the 24-70 II above the stratosphere they gotta give us some sort of a break to manage this.
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I am in the "Other" Category.
I would love to get a break on a 16-35mm f/2.8 II ... As a 7D Cropper with the EF-S 10-22mm, thats the first lens I got to trade up from.
A kit 16-35 will never happen from Canon - but if any of the major retailers are watching... that is my wish.
Beyond that, I want the 24-70 II but I cant absorb that much wallet damage that fast. Got the 24-105. Wont buy the older 24-70.
I would love to get a break on a 16-35mm f/2.8 II ... As a 7D Cropper with the EF-S 10-22mm, thats the first lens I got to trade up from.
A kit 16-35 will never happen from Canon - but if any of the major retailers are watching... that is my wish.
Beyond that, I want the 24-70 II but I cant absorb that much wallet damage that fast. Got the 24-105. Wont buy the older 24-70.
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iaind said:
Interesting to consider that the D800 seems to be body only, I'd guess because Nikon acknowledge that the 24-120 isnt good enough to make use of the sensor.
That to me seems to be a potential advanatge to Canon since the 24-105 not only outshines the Nikon lens but also seems better suited to a lower resolution/higher ISO body. Price wise a 5D mk3 + 24-105 kit will likely come in a good deal cheaper than a new D800 + 24-70 bought seperately.
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iaind said:
It's true. That really may be an option but I would really like for Canon to give us a nice discount on an L lens. Currently the 24/105mm goes for around $1100 and in the 5D2 kit it works out to $800 - so I am needing that nice $300 discount so that I can put it towards the alleged 590EX that is hopefully coming out soon! (27/28 Feb, CR3)
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Let's face it:
If Canon can sell dozens of 24-70 Mark II to upgrade-willing people with sufficient funds, why would they give this lens away with the body people would also upgrade to? People will buy both lens and body anyway, at least those who can. The others have to settle with whatever fits their budget.
As a kind of entry-level full-frame kit I don't think this ideal package with the 24-70 Mark II as a kit lens will become a reality. This is why I voted for the 24-105mm to stay the kit lens. As a consequence Canon would not cannibalize their own sales.
I strongly recommend to imagine yourself being in Canon's position. They want to generate more revenue, not less.
Let's go through some example scenarios Canon Product Marketing may be contemplating:
1. Someone owns a crop body plus EF-S lenses. This kind of customer is quite likely to purchase a 5D + 24-105mm kit, if wanting to upgrade to full-frame
2. Someone owns a previous full-frame model and a 24-70 Mark I. This kind of customer may purchase either the new 5D body only or may even be contemplating to pick up the 24-105 as a kit lens, thinking it may be a nice addition for a slightly reduced price.
3. Someone owns a previous 5D and 24-70 Mark I seeking to upgrade both to the newest model. In most cases I expect this kind of customer will eventually spend the money on both the new 5D body and the new 24-70 Mark II lens. There won't be any cheap option to upgrade, if you are in this group, because according to market analysis this will be exactly the group, where Canon expects people to have both a strong desire for upgrades and the necessary funds available.
Sorry in case I may have shattered someone's dreams for an idealized upgrade scenario. I dare say it is not likely to happen.
If Canon can sell dozens of 24-70 Mark II to upgrade-willing people with sufficient funds, why would they give this lens away with the body people would also upgrade to? People will buy both lens and body anyway, at least those who can. The others have to settle with whatever fits their budget.
As a kind of entry-level full-frame kit I don't think this ideal package with the 24-70 Mark II as a kit lens will become a reality. This is why I voted for the 24-105mm to stay the kit lens. As a consequence Canon would not cannibalize their own sales.
I strongly recommend to imagine yourself being in Canon's position. They want to generate more revenue, not less.
Let's go through some example scenarios Canon Product Marketing may be contemplating:
1. Someone owns a crop body plus EF-S lenses. This kind of customer is quite likely to purchase a 5D + 24-105mm kit, if wanting to upgrade to full-frame
2. Someone owns a previous full-frame model and a 24-70 Mark I. This kind of customer may purchase either the new 5D body only or may even be contemplating to pick up the 24-105 as a kit lens, thinking it may be a nice addition for a slightly reduced price.
3. Someone owns a previous 5D and 24-70 Mark I seeking to upgrade both to the newest model. In most cases I expect this kind of customer will eventually spend the money on both the new 5D body and the new 24-70 Mark II lens. There won't be any cheap option to upgrade, if you are in this group, because according to market analysis this will be exactly the group, where Canon expects people to have both a strong desire for upgrades and the necessary funds available.
Sorry in case I may have shattered someone's dreams for an idealized upgrade scenario. I dare say it is not likely to happen.
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@Isurus:
Alas, that's an even more unlikely combination. Eventually you will want to buy that 35mm lens anyway. It is on my wish list as well.
Alas, that's an even more unlikely combination. Eventually you will want to buy that 35mm lens anyway. It is on my wish list as well.
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24-70 II is too much money for a kit. It doesn't make logical sense to have a kit that is sooo high end and expensive. Canon wants to make money, and if they don't think they are going to make more overall sales with kit then they aren't going to offer a kit. IMO they aren't going to make enough extra sales to justify the kit. At least not initially.
All my points would be invalid though if canon took $1200 or so off the price. Then you're talking about enough savings that people would buy the kit in droves.
All my points would be invalid though if canon took $1200 or so off the price. Then you're talking about enough savings that people would buy the kit in droves.
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candyman said:
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A 50mm f/1.4 II -- that's what I've been saying for months!
DJL329 said:I vote for a 5D Mark III + EF 50mm f/1.4 II. Hey, I can dream, can't I?
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I voted for the 24-105 IS. Not because that is what I want just what I believe will be. The purpose of a kit is so someone can just buy it and go. I don't think Canon is considering pros (advanced am, semi-pro, etc.) when they throw a kit out there. They are looking at the consumer that has some cash to spend. So they want to offer range and IS. Definitely won't be a prime and the 24-70II is too short of a range and lack of IS will not sound good in marketing material.
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kbmelb said:
I agree... Unless they have a new general purpose zoom thats crept up with nobody noticing it will be the 24-105 IS.
As you say the kit is so you can buy and immeditally use you camera for general shots. Little bit wide, a little bit of zoom... nothing too specific like a prime and nothing as expensive as a 24-70 II.
The kit lens can also be useful to those upgrading from a crop body. Obviously the field of view coverage you get from the set of lenses you chose for your crop body is suddenly widened. A chunk of your reach vanishes.
On a crop I have the 10-22mm for ultra wide and the 17-40L is okay for general purpose. 17-40 on a full frame is obviously ultra wide not general purpose. My 70-300L cant be classed as general purpose either, not great for shots of the kids indoors unless I head over to the other side of the room!
The 40-70mm between the 17-40L and 70-300L gap is in a place thats more of problem at full frame than crop.
If there is a kit with the 5d3 and its the 24-105 I may be tempted to get the kit not just the body to give me a general purpose lens... But I may just make do with using the 17-40 as a general purpose until I can afford something more appropriate for that range.
I cant afford the 24-70 II any time soon so the 24-105mm errrrr... would fill the hole nicely... so to speak.
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