6D Mark-II in response to the D750

[Sabaki]

Consider that you can get a 6D from a authorized Dealer for $1440, while a D750 costs $2300, almost $860 more. I would not want to pay $2300 for a 6D MK II. I can buy a 5D MK III for near $2300 if I wanted another one.

They are not competitors. The Nikon D6XX series is the competition.

Unfortunately not everyone lives in the US so that pricing structure does not apply to me.

The launch price in South Africa for a D750 is R30,000 ($2,700 equiv), whereas the 5D-III is R37,000 ($3,360 equiv) and the 6D is R21,000 ($1,850 equiv). The 5D-III is almost 2x more than the 6D so there is a gaping hole that the D750 fills. There is room for a reasonable Canon offer to undercut the D750 on price or a differently-abled Canon body (better low-light / DPAF) to compete at the same price point.

I am interested in the D750 form factor but hopefully at a lower price.

A fellow Mzanzian!!!

Where in SA you from? And yup, SA pricing sucks

 

[Khalai]

My only complaints about 6D are the lack of joystick I'm used to from my 7D. But this goes hand in hand with rather crude AF system it has. Give it e.g. 19 Xtype AF points in the shape of the 7D pattern and I'll be happy camper. Give it dual SD slots and better DoF button and I'll be overjoyed. But for what it does, the 6D is amazing performer, it just lacks in the "pro" features deparment and that quite alright, given its position in the lineup.

Btw: right now, in my country (Czech rep.), Canon hands out free Wacom Intuos Pro M tablets with 6D as well as LR5 and 1-year subscription for Adobe CC. Sweet deal IMHO.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

uggg... where to start. For one, the whole respond respond respond thing is growing quite tiresome. Maybe, just maybe canon has a plan and they are releasing things according to that plan? But, for the sake of playing along...

Let's go the other way, when will nikon respond to the d750? I mean, the d600 had better specs than the 6d but nikon had to respond to their own body with a d610, and now they are responding to the d610 with the d750 (or they just finally read all the survey cards from 2011).

Sorry but Canon seems like the company that does have their act together here. The 6d, while gimped with limited AF points is standing the test of time. It's a solid camera that canon has not had to replace with a 6d.1 due to poor workmanship, and then replacing it a third time with a whole new body name under the guise of upgrading an older product that isn't even the thing nikon users actually wanted!!!!!

Is there a d6xx series anymore, or is that totally dropped. The d750 makes zero sense to me - if the intent was to put out a body that could be more of a direct competitor to the 5dmk3, then why did they gimp it to be slightly better than the d6xx's and slightly worse than the d8xxx???? Nikon could have used the same shell as the d810, same AF, same everything but swap the image sensor for the 24 MP exmor ----done deal, you then have a pro spec'ed prosumer body with high fps, great AF and large enough files to have some leg room to work with but not overly huge like the d8xx. Nope, they didn't do that though and that leaves the 5d3mk3 on it's own in the field... While I am not one for...compny A hasto respnd to company b, sorry but it seems to me like nikon has struggled to find a true competitor to the 5d3, it took them 5 bodies to get close but still they could not do it.

Now o the Original point...6d mark 2.

I may be one fo the few here to say this but, I like that the current 6d is affordable and simple. I use both a 5d3 and a 6d and sometimes it's just easier to use the 6d's af because of how simple it is.

I would be perfectly happy with he 6d2 just simple having more cross points. If you wantt o get nutty, port over the old 7d's 19 point AF, either way, from where I stand more AF points mean less than more cross points (Seriously, I'd rather it keep the same 11 point AF, just make them all cross points --- please don't give me 40+ AF points but like 2 cross type)

the 6d does not need to compete on AF with the lower level stuff - your not stepping up to the 6d for AF, the sensor itself should be the thing your going after.

DPAF will be in it because I am guess all canons will have it.

Other than that, for the 6d series - I am all for a modest upgrade - a little bump in MP, more cross type points, modest upgrade to AF, and that's that.

 

[dak723]

What would you think are some potential specs that will keep it relevant for the next two years?

I think it will be relevant for far longer than two years. I realize I am in the minority on a forum such as this, but I have no need (or means) to buy a camera every two or three years. I had the original digital rebel (300D) and it was still quite relevant for my landscape and floral photo needs for about 9 years until I replaced it last year with the 6D. I could print and sell 8" x 12" prints with the old rebel and that was good enough for me. The 6D can print nice prints up to approx. 18" x 27" (at 200 dpi), so I have no interest in higher MP (in fact, would definitely not want more MP). Since sensor technology has peaked out, for the most part, unless there is a revolutionary new approach and design to sensors, any small incremental changes are probably not even noticeable at the 8" x 12" sizes I print. I will be glad if I can get 9 years out of my 6D. I'm very happy with the IQ, the AF is excellent for the stationary subjects I shoot, and I have no interest in video.

 

[moreorless]

Consider that you can get a 6D from a authorized Dealer for $1440, while a D750 costs $2300, almost $860 more. I would not want to pay $2300 for a 6D MK II. I can buy a 5D MK III for near $2300 if I wanted another one.

They are not competitors. The Nikon D6XX series is the competition.

Unfortunately not everyone lives in the US so that pricing structure does not apply to me.

The launch price in South Africa for a D750 is R30,000 ($2,700 equiv), whereas the 5D-III is R37,000 ($3,360 equiv) and the 6D is R21,000 ($1,850 equiv). The 5D-III is almost 2x more than the 6D so there is a gaping hole that the D750 fills. There is room for a reasonable Canon offer to undercut the D750 on price or a differently-abled Canon body (better low-light / DPAF) to compete at the same price point.

I am interested in the D750 form factor but hopefully at a lower price.

They don't even reflect the reality of mainstream US pricing, looking at B&H and Adorama the D750 is $2300 at both and the 5D3 is between $3200 and $3400.

 

[StudentOfLight]

What would you think are some potential specs that will keep it relevant for the next two years?

I think it will be relevant for far longer than two years. I realize I am in the minority on a forum such as this, but I have no need (or means) to buy a camera every two or three years. I had the original digital rebel (300D) and it was still quite relevant for my landscape and floral photo needs for about 9 years until I replaced it last year with the 6D. I could print and sell 8" x 12" prints with the old rebel and that was good enough for me. The 6D can print nice prints up to approx. 18" x 27" (at 200 dpi), so I have no interest in higher MP (in fact, would definitely not want more MP). Since sensor technology has peaked out, for the most part, unless there is a revolutionary new approach and design to sensors, any small incremental changes are probably not even noticeable at the 8" x 12" sizes I print. I will be glad if I can get 9 years out of my 6D. I'm very happy with the IQ, the AF is excellent for the stationary subjects I shoot, and I have no interest in video.

I was maybe not very clear, but I wasn't suggesting that the 6D would be irrelevant or become obsolete within two years. You should put yourself in the shoes of a potential buyer. A potential buyer is always looking for value for money. e.g. I'm still using my 60D and that's a good few years old, but would I buy a new 60D today at full price given the other options available? Definitely not. Is the 60D irrelevant or obsolete because it's 4yrs old? Definitely not.

So the question is: "Would I (as a potential buyer) order a new 6D today at full price vs other options available..." My answer is a begrudging yes :'(, knowing what I do about the Canon lens range I'd still go with 6D. But the overall AF system is still a bitter pill to swallow. Even if they just put in 9 cross-types on the Rule-of-thirds-intersections and mid-lines I'd be happy.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Consider that you can get a 6D from a authorized Dealer for $1440, while a D750 costs $2300, almost $860 more. I would not want to pay $2300 for a 6D MK II. I can buy a 5D MK III for near $2300 if I wanted another one.

They are not competitors. The Nikon D6XX series is the competition.

Unfortunately not everyone lives in the US so that pricing structure does not apply to me.

The launch price in South Africa for a D750 is R30,000 ($2,700 equiv), whereas the 5D-III is R37,000 ($3,360 equiv) and the 6D is R21,000 ($1,850 equiv). The 5D-III is almost 2x more than the 6D so there is a gaping hole that the D750 fills. There is room for a reasonable Canon offer to undercut the D750 on price or a differently-abled Canon body (better low-light / DPAF) to compete at the same price point.

I am interested in the D750 form factor but hopefully at a lower price.

They don't even reflect the reality of mainstream US pricing, looking at B&H and Adorama the D750 is $2300 at both and the 5D3 is between $3200 and $3400.

I was stating facts. Is the US mainstream pricing reality more real that the ZA mainstream pricing reality?

 

[StudentOfLight]

Consider that you can get a 6D from a authorized Dealer for $1440, while a D750 costs $2300, almost $860 more. I would not want to pay $2300 for a 6D MK II. I can buy a 5D MK III for near $2300 if I wanted another one.

They are not competitors. The Nikon D6XX series is the competition.

Unfortunately not everyone lives in the US so that pricing structure does not apply to me.

The launch price in South Africa for a D750 is R30,000 ($2,700 equiv), whereas the 5D-III is R37,000 ($3,360 equiv) and the 6D is R21,000 ($1,850 equiv). The 5D-III is almost 2x more than the 6D so there is a gaping hole that the D750 fills. There is room for a reasonable Canon offer to undercut the D750 on price or a differently-abled Canon body (better low-light / DPAF) to compete at the same price point.

I am interested in the D750 form factor but hopefully at a lower price.

A fellow Mzanzian!!!

Where in SA you from? And yup, SA pricing sucks

I'm in Cape Town.

P.S. Nikonians get ripped off way worse in ZA than we do. You'd have to win the lotto to considering a switch

 

[zlatko]

uggg... where to start. For one, the whole respond respond respond thing is growing quite tiresome. Maybe, just maybe canon has a plan and they are releasing things according to that plan? But, for the sake of playing along...

Exactly! The whole "respond" / "response" / "answer" notion assumes that cameras are like sentences in a conversation and can be tossed into production at a moment's notice.

It's more likely these products are conceived far in advance of any competitor's announcement, with countless planning, production and testing stages leading up to release. Every part has to be designed and produced. Every material has to be sourced. Every employee has to be trained. It goes on and on .... Large companies plan and plan and plan because they have to coordinate and direct a mass of people, machinery and money over long periods of time in order to achieve their goals. They have short-term plans, mid-term plans, and long-term plans.

 

[StudentOfLight]

uggg... where to start. For one, the whole respond respond respond thing is growing quite tiresome. Maybe, just maybe canon has a plan and they are releasing things according to that plan? But, for the sake of playing along...

Exactly! The whole "respond" / "response" / "answer" notion assumes that cameras are like sentences in a conversation and can be tossed into production at a moment's notice.

It's more likely these products are conceived far in advance of any competitor's announcement, with countless planning, production and testing stages leading up to release. Every part has to be designed and produced. Every material has to be sourced. Every employee has to be trained. It goes on and on .... Large companies plan and plan and plan because they have to coordinate and direct a mass of people, machinery and money over long periods of time in order to achieve their goals. They have short-term plans, mid-term plans, and long-term plans.

R&D is continuous.

DSLRs are modular products by design. This gives the manufacturer a lot of leeway to create a variety of products from a smallish pool of common core modules. If the interfaces are already specified then then R&D can be done separately for each module even by different teams or business partners around the world.

Certain interfaces are common in classes of EOS cameras:
Spatial interfaces (e.g. lens mount, flange distance, battery compartment etc.)
Media interfaces (e.g HDMI, SD, CF etc)
Electronic interfaces (e.g. for Sensor, DiG!C, AF, Metering etc.)
etc...

One of the other advantages of modular design is being able to leverage existing modules which have been already been through the R&D/testing mill. This allows them to be bring products to market faster. The better the engineers understand the platform, the more reliably they can connect the modules with minimal QC issues.

It is entirely possible that Canon has already designed and specced three different 6D-II prototypes and are just waiting for the right time to pull the trigger on launching either option A, B or C.

So when I say "respond to..." I don't mean Canon's engineers need to sit around a table this afternoon and design (from scratch) a reply to Nikon's announcement. I also mean the years of work that's been going on behind the scenes developing (Prototype module X) and (Brand new top plate Y) combining with (Wifi module that worked last time) with (good old Tilty-flippy-LCD) and (LP-E6N)....etc