6D MKII

[moreorless]

Another factor maybe what Nikon does with the rumoured D750, its seemingly likely now that will have the same AF as the D810 which means a full spread of AF points. If that camera is also D810 sized it maybe less of an issue but rumours thus far point to it being smaller.

 

[Ruined]

I very much doubt this because there is an *absolute* "good enough" to shoot most scenes. The current 6d already does ok for a lot of them, but there's still a lot of incentive to upgrade to the "real deal" 5d3. If the 5d3 is the baseline, Canon would pull a rabbit out of the hat to make 6d2(=5d3)->5d4 as attractive.

Sure, the 5D Mark III has better autofocus in most circumstances, higher resolution, and faster max FPS. On the other hand, you could also say that there's a lot of incentive to upgrade from the 5D Mark III to the "real deal" 6D. It has lower and more consistent dark noise levels (which means you can brighten it by more stops before it becomes unusable), better ultra-low-light focusing (at least with the center point), GPS, Wi-Fi....

Either one is an upgrade, depending on your needs. Canon would do well to ensure that the hypothetical 5D Mark IV is in every way more capable than the hypothetical 6D Mark II, not just better at some things.

And you can change focus screens on a 6D, which is a very important feature for professionals - they purposely gimped the 5D3 to prevent this, to make 1DX look more attractive. Whichever has interchangeable focus screens (6D2 or 5D4) is where my money goes next as I can't justify two 1DXs (I like to have matching bodies).

 

[andrewflo]

Agree that we likely won't see a Mark II for quite some time.

Buuut while we're dreaming

• Dual pixel AF
• 19 point all cross type AF
• Articulating touch screen LCD
• 1080p at 60fps
• Native ISO 100-51,200, boost 50-204,800
• No low-pass filter

Given the >1 year ETA of a Mark II, I think these specs are semi realistic. What do you think?

 

[bereninga]

Agree that we likely won't see a Mark II for quite some time.

Buuut while we're dreaming

• Dual pixel AF
• 19 point all cross type AF
• Articulating touch screen LCD
• 1080p at 60fps
• Native ISO 100-51,200, boost 50-204,800
• No low-pass filter

Given the >1 year ETA of a Mark II, I think these specs are semi realistic. What do you think?

I sadly doubt that many AF points. It'll probably the same amount, just all cross-type. But 19 would def be welcomed. It SHOULD be as good as the 70D, but currently even the t5i has more cross-type AF points. I'd prefer no articulating touch screen. The rest would be sweet!

 

[Foxdude]

I'm shooting with 6D now, and I'm very happy with it. Only thing I'd like to change to mk2, is focus points. More focus points would be very welcome with more spread, and please make all of them cross-type. Center focus point on 6D is great now, others work well in good light, in dim light not so well..
I don't need/care about fps, focus screens or wi-fi.
Double SD slot would be nice though...
Iso levels are very good now, but of course it can be still improved

 

[ck5dmkiii]

It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers. The joystick is truly my only real complaint.

 

[Marsu42]

It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers.

Personally, I'd say a joystick for 11 af points (10 non-crosspoint, one only crosspoint at f4+) is overkill - these few points are selected quickly with the multicontroller. Coming from the 60d, I feel very at home with the right-hand only layout of the 6d.

 

[Foxdude]

It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers.

Personally, I'd say a joystick for 11 af points (10 non-crosspoint, one only crosspoint at f4+) is overkill - these few points are selected quickly with the multicontroller. Coming from the 60d, I feel very at home with the right-hand only layout of the 6d.

+1 Coming from 450D, ergonomics in 6D are also very great for my hands. Multicontroller is easy and fast to use. Haven't use joystick though...

 

[Tugela]

4K or 4 fail ;D

 

[ck5dmkiii]

It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers.

Personally, I'd say a joystick for 11 af points (10 non-crosspoint, one only crosspoint at f4+) is overkill - these few points are selected quickly with the multicontroller. Coming from the 60d, I feel very at home with the right-hand only layout of the 6d.

If you’re coming from a camera that has never had the joystick I could see the comfort in not having one. But for shooting canons for years that all had joysticks it’s extremely frustrating at times.

 

[Mr_Canuck]

So you're looking for a 5D MkIII then. Already available.

 

[Ruined]

It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers.

Personally, I'd say a joystick for 11 af points (10 non-crosspoint, one only crosspoint at f4+) is overkill - these few points are selected quickly with the multicontroller. Coming from the 60d, I feel very at home with the right-hand only layout of the 6d.

If you’re coming from a camera that has never had the joystick I could see the comfort in not having one. But for shooting canons for years that all had joysticks it’s extremely frustrating at times.

The lack of joystick is a bit annoying on the 6D, though the multicontroller can be programmed to work like the joystick and select AF just fine in the custom functions. Main problem is multicontroller is not in as comfortable position ergonomically as the joystick. So I would prefer the joystick, but the 5D3 is lacking in some areas (lack of interchangeable focus screen, worse ISO performance) compared to the 6D. It is particularly baffling as interchangeable focus screens is a more "pro" feature yet only the entry level 6D and top of the line 1DX current Canon FFs have it, the midrange 5D3 lacking oddly. ISO noise I can understand as the 6D is newer and has a newer sensor, but it is still something to consider if buying now... I would not buy a 5D3, but if Canon fixes these things in a 5D4 I'd buy it.

 

[Marsu42]

It is particularly baffling as interchangeable focus screens is a more "pro" feature yet only the entry level 6D and top of the line 1DX current Canon FFs have it, the midrange 5D3 lacking oddly.

Not really, the 6d is a copy of the 5d2 which had this feature. Canon obviously just chose to separate the 1dx from the 5d3 here, though there seem to be (expensive) 3rd party options available for the 5d3. Given the bad af performance I reckon a 6d with a mf screen is a "backup" body for most, probably just what Canon calculated it should be.

ISO noise I can understand as the 6D is newer and has a newer sensor, but it is still something to consider if buying now... I would not buy a 5D3, but if Canon fixes these things in a 5D4 I'd buy it.

The 6d's advantage is less vertical banding which only matters if you raise the shadows a *lot*. It does matter though in combination with the higher dr and Magic Lantern's dual_iso module to give the 6d a higher boosted dr than the 5d3.

As for pure iso snr, don't forget the 5d3 has a bit higher resolution so downsampled it's wash. Maybe, just maybe you could argue for 1/3ev less noise, but that's barely noticeable.

 

[drob]

When the 6D MkII comes out, it's going to have to feature something that the 5DMkIII doesn't have...When the original 6D was introduced, it started @ $2K...that's essentially what you can get the 5D MkIII at right now. If Canon was smart and wanted to sell a ton of cameras, they would just have to sell a full frame Rebel 6ts for $1500.

 

[Marsu42]

If Canon was smart and wanted to sell a ton of cameras, they would just have to sell a full frame Rebel 6ts for $1500.

Sure Canon is interested in having a good part of the market, but what they're more interested in is profit. And rumor is that a ff sensor is rather expensive to produce, and even if you cut everything else - basically like on the 6d - you're still well above crop territory.

That and internal cannibalization will occupy their marketing minds, i.e. better sell a $1000 70d with $500 profit than a €1500 6ts for €300 profit and omit the danger of people "downgrading" from a real ff camera like the 5d. I'm sure there are other arguments in disfavor of a "ff Rebel" and Canon will only do so if they're forced by Sonikon.

 

[jeffa4444]

The Canon rep we know thinks Canon will keep the 6D going at least until 2016 not that they get much advanced notification of change. He thinks any MK II camera will have a set pattern of changes i.e. sensor upgrade, metering upgrade, focus point upgrade but much of the rest of the features will remain the same.
The 6D is clearly not part of Canon Pro line of cameras but then again neither is the 7D MKII both sit within Canon Enthusiast Group yet the 7D / 7DMKII have far more in common with the 5D MK II / III aside from sensor size and its more expensive than the 6D.

The price gap between the 6D and the 5D MKIII is quite wide I would not be surprised to see Canon add a camera between the two after the release of the 5DS / 5DS R maybe a 6DS!

 

[fragilesi]

If Canon was smart and wanted to sell a ton of cameras, they would just have to sell a full frame Rebel 6ts for $1500.

Sure Canon is interested in having a good part of the market, but what they're more interested in is profit. And rumor is that a ff sensor is rather expensive to produce, and even if you cut everything else - basically like on the 6d - you're still well above crop territory.

That and internal cannibalization will occupy their marketing minds, i.e. better sell a $1000 70d with $500 profit than a €1500 6ts for €300 profit and omit the danger of people "downgrading" from a real ff camera like the 5d. I'm sure there are other arguments in disfavor of a "ff Rebel" and Canon will only do so if they're forced by Sonikon.

What you are describing is sensible business practice. This will exist in Nikon too. The fact that Canon has not been "forced by Sonikon" demonstrates that similar processes are in operation in all three companies. This should not be any kind of surprise to anyone.

 

[Marsu42]

What you are describing is sensible business practice. This will exist in Nikon too. The fact that Canon has not been "forced by Sonikon" demonstrates that similar processes are in operation in all three companies. This should not be any kind of surprise to anyone.

Still, there might be different business practices in the respective companies. Sony is know to stuff every gadget they can come up with into their products ignoring compatibility (external or internal), while Nikon seems to be out to have the best "on paper" specs and value. This might be simply due to market share and Canon being the dominant force, but maybe there are different enterprise cultures that result in Canon being rather conservative.

 

[jeffa4444]

Conservative or not after the Axis purchase of $ 2.8bn Canon still have cash reserves of $ 4.25bn so they are clearly doing something right but equally they need to remember once Nikon was king of the pile and they took their place it could equally be taken from Canon the old saying goes "Innovate or die".

 

[drob]

Canon could stick the 6D's current sensor into the Rebel 6ts, and viola...6DII with better specs than the current 6D (no new sensor tech costs and non crippled beginner FF camera).
Win-win for all.