More Canon EOS 6D Specifications Talk [CR1]

[Deleted member 91053]

As I posted I couldn't care less about video on a DSLR and I don't know anybody else who really cares either.

I see great debates about video performance on this forum and on the WEB review sites, but in the real world of photography I see virtually nothing.

I wonder how much Canon/Nikon/Sony etc would loose if they simply dumped this feature? Certainly some photographers would be upset but how many? Perhaps 1 or 2% in my experience - maybe others experiences differ.

Were I a Video shooter then I would get a video camera - for the ergonomics if nothing else.

 

[RomainF]

"In the real world..."
In your real world you see nothing. How can you consider that your use of a DSLR and the use of the dozen photographers you know can be used as a representative portions of DSLR buyers around the world ? That represents nothing.
Around me, no one ever use anything longer than 200mm, and most people consider anything longuer than 105mm as "too long". But I would never dare to consider that "it's a waste of money for canon to put R&D money in super telephoto développement".

Look around YouTube, look at young people working with DSLRs. Lot of them use the video mode and they buy DSLRs because they can switch from photography to videography by pushing a knob and carrying only one set of gear. That's not the future anymore, that's the present. Look at people who work with their camera in fast moving businesses. Fashion, news, corporate, commercials and still life. That's the same for everyone : if you wanna earn money, you have to work, and to get the jobs, people ask you to be able to give them pictures AND videos. Video cameras are way more expensive and thus, directed to another target. Just like a 1Dx is more expensive, even if 12fps is useless for most of the people. But these people never say "a 1Dx is useless, Canon should stop working on these cameras, no one use them anymore".

Don't imagine that we, on this forum, represent a global part of the market. We are nothing, and Canon doesn't look at us when they think about the 6D, they think about the mass market (as massive as a full-frame DSLR market could be).

 

[Maiaibing]

Don't imagine that we, on this forum, represent a global part of the market. We are nothing, and Canon doesn't look at us when they think about the 6D, they think about the mass market (as massive as a full-frame DSLR market could be).

We actually know that people here do not represent the average Canon customer. Before the 5DIV launch the strong majority view here was that Canon did not suffer from lack of DR, needed no more MPIX and had almost perfect AF.

However, according to Canon their research showed the three things real world 5DIII users wanted the most - and Canon gave priority for the 5DIV development - were exactly: more MPIX, better AF and improved DR!

 

[Mikehit]

if you wanna earn money, you have to work, and to get the jobs, people ask you to be able to give them pictures AND videos.

No-one is doubting that. The question is what quality of video is good enough, and there is a distinct split of opinion. Many reviews I see by photographers whose main business is stills and add video to the package say the 5DIV offering is good enough for them.
Then you have the videographers who like the opportunity to shoot stills as a distinct advantage wittering on how Canon must incorporate full-blown 4k or they will die as a company. These guys want the 1Dc at 5D prices.

 

[Loswr]

We actually know that people here do not represent the average Canon customer. Before the 5DIV launch the strong majority view here was that Canon did not suffer from lack of DR, needed no more MPIX and had almost perfect AF.

We also know that according to people here, Canon suffered from poor, sub-par, unacceptable IQ, and that Nikon's 3D Tracking AF can track a falcon on a cloudy day and was clearly superior to Canon. I doubt many thought the 5Ds was lacking in Mpix.

 

[ahsanford]

We actually know that people here do not represent the average Canon customer. Before the 5DIV launch the strong majority view here was that Canon did not suffer from lack of DR, needed no more MPIX and had almost perfect AF.

We also know that according to people here, Canon suffered from poor, sub-par, unacceptable IQ, and that Nikon's 3D Tracking AF can track a falcon on a cloudy day and was clearly superior to Canon. I doubt many thought the 5Ds was lacking in Mpix.

Humperdinck snap!

- A

 

[Deleted member 91053]

"In the real world..."
In your real world you see nothing. How can you consider that your use of a DSLR and the use of the dozen photographers you know can be used as a representative portions of DSLR buyers around the world ? That represents nothing.
Around me, no one ever use anything longer than 200mm, and most people consider anything longuer than 105mm as "too long". But I would never dare to consider that "it's a waste of money for canon to put R&D money in super telephoto développement".

Look around YouTube, look at young people working with DSLRs. Lot of them use the video mode and they buy DSLRs because they can switch from photography to videography by pushing a knob and carrying only one set of gear. That's not the future anymore, that's the present. Look at people who work with their camera in fast moving businesses. Fashion, news, corporate, commercials and still life. That's the same for everyone : if you wanna earn money, you have to work, and to get the jobs, people ask you to be able to give them pictures AND videos. Video cameras are way more expensive and thus, directed to another target. Just like a 1Dx is more expensive, even if 12fps is useless for most of the people. But these people never say "a 1Dx is useless, Canon should stop working on these cameras, no one use them anymore".

Don't imagine that we, on this forum, represent a global part of the market. We are nothing, and Canon doesn't look at us when they think about the 6D, they think about the mass market (as massive as a full-frame DSLR market could be).

Please refer to my earlier post - I am referring to between 60 and 70 photographers. Hardly the whole world but significant in that there is only one, occasional, video user.

All the best.

 

[AA]

Just imagine, you shoot a wedding video on a 6D II. Then you get an angry call from your client saying the video only fills 1/4 of the screen

And it can only do 1080p at 60 fps

A Sony RX100 can do better video than that. For half the price.

Pathetic Canon. Pathetic.

 

[LonelyBoy]

Just imagine, you shoot a wedding video on a 6D II. Then you get an angry call from your client saying the video only fills 1/4 of the screen

And it can only do 1080p at 60 fps

A Sony RX100 can do better video than that. For half the price.

Pathetic Canon. Pathetic.

Just imagine, you shoot a wedding and the contract actually states things like what resolution the video will be. I'm not a pro, but do people just ask for "video" in the contract and assume it's 4k? They're dumb if they do, and I'd content the photographers are stupid for not specifying.

 

[Loswr]

Just imagine, you shoot a wedding video on a 6D II. Then you get an angry call from your client saying the video only fills 1/4 of the screen

Pathetic Canon. Pathetic.

Just imagine, if you had a 4K TV and the vast majority of your content — cable, BluRay, and streaming — only fills 1/4 of the screen.

Pathetic AA. Pathetic.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

Just imagine, you shoot a wedding video on a 6D II. Then you get an angry call from your client saying the video only fills 1/4 of the screen

Well if you'd gone into the gig stupid enough not to manage the client's expectations properly with regard to video, it's neither the camera nor Canon that have screwed up.

 

[Keith_Reeder]

if you wanna earn money, you have to work, and to get the jobs, people ask you to be able to give them pictures AND videos.

Correct. And yet Canon - entirely successfully, in business terms - continues to offer what it offers.

Don't imagine that we, on this forum, represent a global part of the market. We are nothing, and Canon doesn't look at us when they think about the 6D.

Correct. And yet Canon - entirely successfully, in business terms - continues to offer what it offers.

 

[Sporgon]

"In the real world..."

Lot of them use the video mode and they buy DSLRs because they can switch from photography to videography by pushing a knob and carrying only one set of gear. That's not the future anymore, that's the present. Look at people who work with their camera in fast moving businesses. Fashion, news, corporate, commercials and still life. That's the same for everyone : if you wanna earn money, you have to work, and to get the jobs, people ask you to be able to give them pictures AND videos. Video cameras are way more expensive and thus, directed to another target.

Carry one set of gear and shoot both stills and video at a function. Have you ever tried to do that when someone is paying you for a decent job ? ;D

 

[Loswr]

Look at people who work with their camera in fast moving businesses. Fashion, news, corporate, commercials and still life.

Oxymoron.