6D or 5D Mk II

[sovietdoc]

6D or 5D II? Get a D600 and never look back.

 

[charliewphotos]

When was the last time a digital camera went up in price because it was discontinued, it's not a collectable, it will go down in price.

Not sure about bodies but the used price of the 24-70mm mk i seems to have risen since the release of the mk ii...

If the 6d af is at least "acceptable" and the 5d3 price continues to sink, I don't think the 5d2 will rise in price - though it might stick where it is now. The price 24-70 mk1 is ridiculously high atm, but imho that's just because the mk2 is not on the shelves in numbers and the used mk1 market is thinned by the long mk2 delay.

Lenses are a bit of a different beast too. Since they remain relevant and useful regardless of the new technology put into the bodies. Lenses are an investment, or at least as close as you can get to one in the technological product world. I do think the used prices will fall though. As stated - the old ones are discontinued and the new ones are just now out many months later.

-Brian

A very solid point well made sir! (just bitter about the 24-70 mki slowly rising as it's possibly my next lens purchase once I go fulll frame!)

 

[brianleighty]

Since the 6D is post-600EX-RT, I assume there would be some advantage to having a 6D over a 5DII for HSS off-camera, though I know some people are not feeling limited by the 5DII in that regard.

While Canon says otherwise, it has been confirmed by multiple users that hss & x-sync works just fine with 600rt + 5d2. You won't get the in-camera menus and the new option flash groups, though.

The real advantage would have been if the 6d had a rf-controller next to gps/wifi - would certainly have been possible since it's not full metal.

People are already pissed they put in the wifi and GPS since they didn't put it in the other bodies. If they'd done that then it would of been even worse complaining. Also, I think I read the range on the wifi is only 50m vs 150m external. So it might not provide as much range as an external option.

 

[Albi86]

People are already pissed they put in the wifi and GPS since they didn't put it in the other bodies. If they'd done that then it would of been even worse complaining. Also, I think I read the range on the wifi is only 50m vs 150m external. So it might not provide as much range as an external option.

Hard to blame them. It was the same thing happened to fresh 5D2 users when a few months later the 7D came out with a brand new, finally performing AF.

 

[Ryan_W]

Since the 6D is post-600EX-RT, I assume there would be some advantage to having a 6D over a 5DII for HSS off-camera, though I know some people are not feeling limited by the 5DII in that regard.

While Canon says otherwise, it has been confirmed by multiple users that hss & x-sync works just fine with 600rt + 5d2. You won't get the in-camera menus and the new option flash groups, though.

The real advantage would have been if the 6d had a rf-controller next to gps/wifi - would certainly have been possible since it's not full metal.

People are already pissed they put in the wifi and GPS since they didn't put it in the other bodies. If they'd done that then it would of been even worse complaining. Also, I think I read the range on the wifi is only 50m vs 150m external. So it might not provide as much range as an external option.

Actually, I thought I read it was more like 30m - but that's typical of small consumer electronics. You'll be hard pressed to do a real-world test with Bluetooth or WiFi outside of 30 meters (about 100 feet). Keep in mind that they only post what can be solidly achieved with no hope of failure in these tests. Usually when a manufacturer announces these kinds of range specs, most users can experience even double the performance. It will all come down to the particular scenario, i.e. indoors, outdoors, signal interference, strength of broadcast, movement of user, other environmental factors...

Also there's a hands-on example of the AF system available on the Fred Miranda forums that I'm going to post on a separate thread. It looks like the center point of the 6D is next to revolutionary, and the outer points outperform the 5D2 with ease (also, they're not assist points like the 5D2).

 

[cliffwang]

For who is making decision for 6D or 5D2. You may consider this 5D2 deal.

http://slickdeals.net/f/5222588-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-II-21-1MP-DSLR-body-with-PIXMA-Pro-9000-Mark-II-Photo-Printer-Brand-New-Authorized-Canon-USA-Dealer-1-599-00-After-Rebate-Free-Shipping-eBay-daily-Deals

1599 for 5D2 plus Pro 9000 MK2 is really good.

 

[Ryan_W]

I mean, in the end, is the $400-$500 worth dealing with the 5D's AF system and losing like... I can't even count how many stops of sensitivity at the center point, and ISO levels.

 

[joshmurrah]

I'm surprised to see such a large percentage of people, vote for the 6D over the now-discounted 5DII.

I'm a APS-C shooter looking to move to FF... after seeing the shape of things, I snapped up a $2600 5D2 kit from amazon, to replace my 7D and 17-55. I figure that means I paid $1700 or so for the 5D2 itself.

The biggest things that I didn't like were the only-marginal improvements in AF, the need to make part of the body plastic for the wifi/GPS, making it less dust/weatherproof, and the slower, laggier, less durable shutter.

As a bonus, my 7D used CF, so I don't need to re-buy memory cards.

 

[Canon-F1]

nobody can make a informed decision yet based on IQ or AF.
because nobody here knows how good or bad the 6D performs.

if you miss a feature the 5D MK2 has and the 6D not ... ok.... question is how important is it for you?

the bigger competition is the D600.

if i had to buy the 5D MK2 or the 6D im not sure i would buy the 5D MK2.
the 6D´s AF is sure better, IQ maybe, GPS, WIFI... and the resell price will be higher.


still i think the 6D is kind of "meh" for a new camera....

 

[RichM]

I'd probably buy (after reading reviews) the 6D, but won't be selling my 5D2 to get one.

 

[Ryan_W]

still i think the 6D is kind of "meh" for a new camera....

This might seem off topic, but it makes me think of Nintendo a bit. There you have another Japanese manufacturer of consumer electronics that got caught in a war of tech escalation with increasingly tight production cycles and plateauing performance, and decided to focus on the customer experience instead of adding +1 to every competitor's specs.

Maybe Canon is taking that same strategy - They're clearly ignoring the D600. I'm sure it would have been nothing to match on the number of AF points, but they chose instead to trounce them on low light performance and accuracy (if early reports are to be believed). They might be ignoring the arms race of more, bigger, faster, and instead are trying to craft products that will create a better experience for a target market.

I mean, honestly, who is to say what's down the road? Ten years ago, the entire market was driven exclusively by sensor megapixel counts. Today that stat is virtually meaningless for the majority of consumers, and even professionals won't split hairs over a 5 megapixel difference between sensors. In another decade, the entire Internet could be organized by geotags, and then what? You might look back on the 6D as little camera that saw it all coming.

 

[K-amps]

A hidden jewel might be present in the built-in Wi-Fi with Android/iOS remote shooting functionality. I believe that people who love to shoot technically challenging scenes, timelapse and macro photography may find the 6D more than adequate - they rarely use AF anyway.

+1 if you are not going the D600 route.

 

[K-amps]

Well it is now confirmed that the 6D has 11 point AF with only one cross type point.

So you'll be using the old focus and recompose technique, no matter which camera you pick.

If I were you, I'd abandon ship and go for the D600. Looks like a much much better camera.

I i didn't had so many Canon glass i had dropped the ship few months ago when 5D3 was announced and go for D800.

So Ricku, can you please elaborate on that? What makes you draw to that conclusion? Specs only?

Nicku, next thing for you now is to abandon this forum and go to the Nikon forum instead then.

Really?? now we have this hate filled fanboi telling us where to shop? Ricku/Nicku: Your opinions are very much appreciated to the rest of us; please continute to provide a sense of balance on the forum.

 

[Trovador]

Whatever, I'm getting a 6D for my collection of sexay white lenses!. Woot! For everything else there's the 7D.

(pending IQ/AF tests of course )

 

[K-amps]

Well it is now confirmed that the 6D has 11 point AF with only one cross type point.

So you'll be using the old focus and recompose technique, no matter which camera you pick.

If I were you, I'd abandon ship and go for the D600. Looks like a much much better camera.

I i didn't had so many Canon glass i had dropped the ship few months ago when 5D3 was announced and go for D800.

I tried the D800. I even bought some high end Nikon glass to try with it. The D800 is a very good body, but finding Nikon glass is difficult. I mainly used the 24-70mm f/2.8G. It had such bad CA that it could not be corrected. Then, there is no equivalent for the 135mm L, the 24-105mm L, the 100-400mm L, none of my favorite lenses have anything nearly as good, and the price of the inferior glass is higher.
This takes away most of any high resolution advantage the body gives.
High ISO noise is also a issue, but if you stay at 400 or less, the DR is fabulous.
You might be unhappy trying to match your Canon lenses. After all, Glass is much more important in the long run. Nikon lenses have even more AFMA issues, they are glued together, forget any maintenance that you can do yourself, and live view on the D800 is slow and barely usable. Tethering software is not included, and when it is, its painfully slow. There are lots of little things that reading the hype does not tell you.

+1 Good to hear this viewpoint as well ! :-*

 

[mws]

I was saving my money for a 5Diii, when the 6D was announced I considered it, but just yesterday I bought a barley used 5dii for 1,400.

I'm sure the 6D's wi-fi and GPS are nice, I just don't see myself actually using it. The 5diii is very expensive, but is worth every penny, as much as I would like the better AF system it's just not worth the extra price for a casual shooter such as myself. Also seeing that the 5diii sensor is only a small improvement over the 5dii, this pushed me into the 5dii purchase.

Even though value is a subjective term, I think the 6D, 5dii, and 5dii are all decent values. If you can find a lightly used 5dii for a reasonable price I would go for that, put the money you save into glass.

 

[Jotho]

Well it is now confirmed that the 6D has 11 point AF with only one cross type point.

So you'll be using the old focus and recompose technique, no matter which camera you pick.

If I were you, I'd abandon ship and go for the D600. Looks like a much much better camera.

I i didn't had so many Canon glass i had dropped the ship few months ago when 5D3 was announced and go for D800.

So Ricku, can you please elaborate on that? What makes you draw to that conclusion? Specs only?

Nicku, next thing for you now is to abandon this forum and go to the Nikon forum instead then.

Really?? now we have this hate filled fanboi telling us where to shop? Ricku/Nicku: Your opinions are very much appreciated to the rest of us; please continute to provide a sense of balance on the


Didn't see that coming. I have to admit. Hate filled and fanboy to describe me. Well I guess one will never stop being surprisedeven at my age. Hate filled and aggressive is what I would like to use to describe comments like yours. I simply asked one of them to provide an explanation to his views and tried to point out that this is not Canonbashing.com. Comments like theirs about a products they've never seen and most definitely are not the target market for, comes off as quite childish. I think criticism is good and can be constructive when used properly and I hope to see more of it. To this point reading this forum has helped me alot in developing as a photographer and also making decisions on what gear to buy. I am sure, had I once chosen to go the Nikon path, I would have been equally happy. But I didn't and in my view nothing has happened that made me regret my choice.

I even picked up the 5D3 that I am sure you and your buddies also think is a poor product. Well I've learned to use it quite well now and every time I download images from the camera to the pc I'm stunned.

With hopes of a mature and sensible debate on this fine forum.

Jotho

 

[stevenprebble]

I won't be upgrading to either due to too many cons but the 6d would be better for me as it shoots at 60/50fps which I need for my work.
If the 5dmkII had that small feature then that alone would be enough for me to upgrade.

 

[M.ST]

If you want a perfect body quality and you have a lot of CF cards get the 5D Mark II. Speed and AF is not all if you only use the camera for landscapes, stills and portraits.

No other camera until today can beat the 5D Mark II in this price class.

 

[Superka]

If you think about Nikon D600 you should wait for nice review first. All Nikons, except D800 has poor Auto ISO function, which ignore current focal lenght. Nikon D600 can have good from D800 or poor as any other Nikon's.