6D or 5DM3 need your help guys ( UPDATE : bought the 6D )

[Ruined]

Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys

thanks guys

gezz i can't go for all lens now

1) EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM or EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM

2) EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM LATER

3) EF 35mm f/2

i think i will go for these 2 now , also guys

i saw some reviews about this lens EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM they said it's also good on sharpness and contrast , only different is the 1 F-stop more light



for me i want to shoot landscape, building, street , desert ...etc maybe some portrait of my kids


Do i need flash ? for the camera , i may use some shoots at night near lake or something

Speedlite 600EX-RT , and which remote is good to use the camera


i know i ask so much here but i need to start in good shape

That option is a good one, here is another one to consider:
1. 24-105mm f/4L kit lens for landscape/architecture.
2. 85mm f/1.2L for portrait (would help if you bought the Eg-S focus screen for the 6D with it)

I would also get a 600EX-RT regardless of your lens selection, yes.

 

[bmwzimmer]

Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys

Get the 6D with 24-70 f/4 IS as your general walk around lens in good light and landscapes and pick up 2 fast primes like a 35 1.4 or 2 and a 85 1.2/1.4/1.8. Then later, invest in a 70-200 f/4 if you plan to shoot mostly in well lit conditions or 2.8 variant if you plan to shoot in gyms and indoors a lot.
Don't be discouraged to get a 1.2 or 1.4 lens. Some people here make it sound like it's so difficult to use with a 5D2 or 6D but if your technique and the subject is reasonably still, you'll have no problems nailing the shot. Of course if you're getting paid for that once in a lifetime shot, it's a different story.

I owned both the 24-70 f/4 and 2.8ii and at f/4, the pictures between them are nearly indistinguishable to most people. I sold my 24-70 f/4 for $800 so you can find good deals for them if you're willing to buy used. Because I have a couple fast primes, I wish I would have kept it and not get the 2.8ii since it was so much lighter, compact and just a joy to use.

If you don't get a couple fast primes near that focal length, then yes get the 2.8 ii

 

[BinAbul]

Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys

okay guys

Just bought the 6D with EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM ..... also 270ex ii and RC-6

is this flash good ? or shall i replace it with 320ex

the seller give good deal for these flashes ......

now i think i need good tripod and EF 135mm f/2L USM

 

[Random Orbits]

Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys

okay guys

Just bought the 6D with EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM ..... also 270ex ii and RC-6

is this flash good ? or shall i replace it with 320ex

the seller give good deal for these flashes ......

now i think i need good tripod and EF 135mm f/2L USM

I have a 270ex ii, which I use on the EOS-M. It is a bit underpowered if it will be your only flash. A 430ex ii is the minimum that I'd use as a primary flash.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys

okay guys

Just bought the 6D with EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM ..... also 270ex ii and RC-6

is this flash good ? or shall i replace it with 320ex

the seller give good deal for these flashes ......

now i think i need good tripod and EF 135mm f/2L USM

If you want one flash only, its going to be fine for most usage. The 6D had very good low light performance and does not need a high powered flash in most cases.

Although I had three 580 EX II's, for my 5D MK III, I sold two of them. Then, I bought a tiny little $60 90EX for my wife's G1 X last week on Amazon. It controls the 580 EX II as a off camera flash, and even does a decent job on my 5D 3 for fill where things are not extreme.

 

[Dylan777]

Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys

okay guys

Just bought the 6D with EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM ..... also 270ex ii and RC-6

is this flash good ? or shall i replace it with 320ex

the seller give good deal for these flashes ......

now i think i need good tripod and EF 135mm f/2L USM

To save you time and money in the long run, I would skip the baby stuff and go straight to big gun 600EX-RT. It's a powerful flash, you can always reduce the power level if need to.

You can add more more speedlite later, plus the 600ex transmitter can trigger 600ex-rt speedlites from 200ft distance. YUP....200 feet :

 

[jdramirez]

Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys

okay guys

Just bought the 6D with EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM ..... also 270ex ii and RC-6

is this flash good ? or shall i replace it with 320ex

the seller give good deal for these flashes ......

now i think i need good tripod and EF 135mm f/2L USM

To save you time and money in the long run, I would skip the baby stuff and go straight to big gun 600EX-RT. It's a powerful flash, you can always reduce the power level if need to.

You can add more more speedlite later, plus the 600ex transmitter can trigger 600ex-rt speedlites from 200ft distance. YUP....200 feet :

I do like my 600ex's. It is about the same size as the 580ex. The more I use it... the more I like it.

 

[hawaiisunsetphoto]

Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys

okay guys

Just bought the 6D with EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM ..... also 270ex ii and RC-6

is this flash good ? or shall i replace it with 320ex

the seller give good deal for these flashes ......

now i think i need good tripod and EF 135mm f/2L USM

To save you time and money in the long run, I would skip the baby stuff and go straight to big gun 600EX-RT. It's a powerful flash, you can always reduce the power level if need to.

You can add more more speedlite later, plus the 600ex transmitter can trigger 600ex-rt speedlites from 200ft distance. YUP....200 feet :

You bought a nice camera, a great lens... go for the 600EX-RT. Buy it once, buy it right.

 

[justaCanonuser]

okay guys

Just bought the 6D with EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM ..... also 270ex ii and RC-6

is this flash good ? or shall i replace it with 320ex

the seller give good deal for these flashes ......

now i think i need good tripod and EF 135mm f/2L USM


thanks


***UPDATE***


update : 11/06/2014

Congrats. Re flash: how about a Metz flash? German quality and good price-performance ratio though. I have a Metz 58 AF-2 which is a real light gun, works very well with the Canon system and offers a second, small front flash which can be used for setting highlights. Its only drawback is its old fashioned menu system, you really have to read its manual to get an idea of the possibilities it offers with its plenty manual settings. But most of the time one shoots with full automatic E-TTL-2 settings anyway, so it is easy to use because you control it via Canon's camera menu settings.

http://www.metz.de/en/flash-units/product-ranges/system-flash-units/mecablitz-58-af-2-digital/product-information.html

http://www.amazon.com/Metz-Mecablitz-Flash-E-TTL--Master/dp/B00456NYZI/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1402558069&sr=1-1&keywords=metz+58+af-2+canon

Metz offers also smaller system flashs:
http://www.metz.de/en/flash-units/product-ranges/system-flash-units.html

So this would be a German flash (the German word is "Blitz" ;-) ) for traveling in Germany...

 

[tomscott]

I agree with anyone who says buy the 24-70mm II because it is one of if not the sharpest zoom lens available.

But only from a professional stand point, I wouldn't agree for a travel companion unless you need the extra quality for publication.

I bought the 24-105mm with my 5DMKIII which I think is brilliant and I have a stellar copy, but then bought the 24-70mm MKI because I wanted the F2.8 for weddings. I bought the MKI because I got a very late copy which was immaculate and is also a stellar copy and at the moment I don't think the double price tag for the new version is warranted although it is a brilliant lens £1600 compared to £750 easy decision. I also like the reverse zoom design, I live in Cumbria one of the wettest places in the UK and the reverse design helps keep water off the lens element 90% of the time with the lens hood being so large.

With that out of the way, I find the 24-70 stays at home unless I'm working. F2.8 isn't used very often when I'm traveling around and F4 is still great, equivalent to F2.8 on APC in terms of DOF so I don't think the OP would miss it. Also the 24-70 is lacking in range for travel photography, and it has no IS. IS is a big deal if your used to having IS on any standard lens and most standard APC lenses have it so most people will be used to it, add that to an upgrade path to a full frame camera with much more mirror slap and a heavier camera results may be disappointing. Where you are used to shooting at 1/30th-1/80th with IS you will probably find with the extra weight and mirror slap that you will end up with slightly blurred images. A learning curve with the way you shoot may be steep and annoying at first.

So in this respect I wouldn't recommend the 24-70MKII neither the 70-200mm F2.8 II. For travel purpose I would suggest the 6D with 24-105 L, 70-300mm L and a fast prime like the 35mm F2 IS or 50mm 1.4 for low light conditions.

This kit is more compact and lighter than the suggested and with weight and space a premium this is a much better all rounder than the big pro guns.

In time I would buy the 24-70MKII and 70-200mm MKII for pro shooting, you simply can't beat the combo.

Infact just buy it all GAS will set in quick

 

[Marsu42]

Just bought the 6D with EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM ..... also 270ex ii and RC-6
is this flash good ? or shall i replace it with 320ex the seller give good deal for these flashes ......

Omg, not without reason - do yourself a favor and return it at once. Get a stronger flash with a real tilt head, direct flash is a pita and you will want to use bounce or indirect with a flash card as often as possible. Why ruin nice pictures with such a premium lens with such a cheap flash?

Look out for used flashes like the 430ex2 and the 580ex2 which also serves as an optical master, the latter is very cheap now that the successor is out.

 

[BinAbul]

mmmm okay

i need to contact him to change the 270 to 600

thanks guys .....

do i need to take 135mm for the trip also he told me the lens will available after 10 days from now


also one more thing



( Canon Eg-S Super Precision Matte Focusing Screen ) ..... when i need this staff ?

 

[Mr_Canuck]

OK, I'm no strobist, but I think people are presuming a lot in trying to get you to buy the 600 flash. Only you know if the 270 is a good flash for your needs. I bought one and it's fantastic, mainly because it's tiny but still puts out quite a bit of light, for MY needs. I have a 420 as well. But it's bigger, and I don't necessarily always need bigger. You say you're travelling, and that means size and weight matter...

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi folks.
I feel the need to comment. There are a lot of people trying to spend this fellows money, I'll try to save him some, have a look at older flashes, for example I have the 550EX, a very capable flash, not far short on power compared to the most recent offerings, and not far short on capabilities, it can be a master or slave in a remote group setup so can be used remotely if wanted with the addition of a STE-3 at a later date, it will control groups too, it far exceeds the capabilities of the 270 from what I can tell!
It can also be found used for a fraction of the cost of the latest offerings.
One thing I would suggest is the ETTL cable for getting the flash away from the camera until you afford an STE-3, I bought a cheap one from eBay works a treat although I have not used the lead since getting the on board flash on my 7D sussed for driving the 550!

Cheers Graham.

 

[Marsu42]

I feel the need to comment. There are a lot of people trying to spend this fellows money

Looking at his gear he seems to have enough money to spend - usually I'm the first one sympathetic to people on a budget (like me). For me, gear "consistency" is paramount, i.e. keep the flash/lens/camera body in roughly the same class unless you really know what you're doing.

I'll try to save him some, have a look at older flashes, for example I have the 550EX [...] It can also be found used for a fraction of the cost of the latest offerings.

Is it really that much of a used price difference now that the 600rt has obsoleted the 580ex2? The 580ex2 seems more modern (smaller, lighter, sealed, faster, 20% ,ore power) to me though I'd still grab a 550ex over some Yongnuo clone.

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/eosfaq/ex_speedlites.html

One thing I would suggest is the ETTL cable for getting the flash away from the camera until you afford an STE-3, I bought a cheap one from eBay works a treat although

Good luck with that, I'm at my 4th cheap ettl cable now - the things just keep breaking (invisible cable failure, plastic pieces ripping apart, cables coming out of the sockets). Do yourself a favor and preemptively tape the thing together before it happens to you :-o

 

[Zv]

Hmmm in my experience you're better off with a decent flash that will function with the camera you have. I like the size of the 430 exii personally, it packs a fair amount of power too. As an on camera fill and bounce option its pretty decent. I had the 320ex but found the lack of features very limiting, very quickly. I've sold a bunch of flashes since then but the 430 exii is always ready to go. Price is also fairly reasonable.

Get some cheap radio triggers to complete the flash set up.

Lens for travel - I like my 24-105L as a one lens solution for day trips. Or you could do 24-70 f/4L IS & 70-300L for more range. If I could redo my gear I'd go with 6D and that latter lens combo (plus a 14mm Samyang for good measure!).

There's very little you can't cover with those three lenses no matter where you go.

 

[Marsu42]

I like the size of the 430 exii personally, it packs a fair amount of power too.

I've got it, too - but it has very slow recycling time and holds much less charge for multiple flashes. It's all around very nice for indoors though and not as heavy as the 580ex2-type. The only problem is the (deliberately crippled) limited flash head movement vs. the "big brother" models, next to the missing master capability of course.

 

[Zv]

I like the size of the 430 exii personally, it packs a fair amount of power too.

I've got it, too - but it has very slow recycling time and holds much less charge for multiple flashes. It's all around very nice for indoors though and not as heavy as the 580ex2-type. The only problem is the (deliberately crippled) limited flash head movement vs. the "big brother" models, next to the missing master capability of course.

Yeah, I agree a lot of the time I want to bounce from behind my right shoulder. Seems like a stupid limitation when I have Yongnuo flashes that rotate 360 degrees!

Haven't noticed the slow recycle time all that much as I don't use it for the heavy stuff.

I have to admit the 430 exii is looking a bit dated in comparison to my YN 560III flashes with their built in radio trigger. Damn those are some nifty flashes!

 

[Marsu42]

Seems like a stupid limitation

Depends on your point of view, from Canon's perspective it's a very smart limitation :-> as it isn't immediately recognizable but becomes more important the more you use flashes ... so they sell two flashes instead of one, one basic and one upgrade (the latter also as a master flash)

I have to admit the 430 exii is looking a bit dated in comparison to my YN 560III flashes with their built in radio trigger. Damn those are some nifty flashes!

Well, after my very mixed experience with the Yn rt trigger (I don't know about their other gear) I have found new enthusiasm about original Canon flash equipment ... whatever you say about money-grabbing Canon, they certainly have a very high reliability and "just works" factor.

Pity the 430ex isn't sealed though, that stopped me shooting even in light rain a couple of times as high charge electricity and water don't square :-o

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Marsu.

Pity the 430ex isn't sealed though, that stopped me shooting even in light rain a couple of times as high charge electricity and water don't square :-o

What's up no sense of adventure, I bet you don't golf in lightning storms either! : ;D

Cheers Graham.