6DMk2 or 5Ds-R for landscape and portraits?

[LovePhotography]

I've got a 6D, which I adore, and a 7D2 for sports.
Wondering which I should do to upgrade from the 6D in the fall-
Watch for price drop on 5Ds-R?
Get 5DMk4 (and sell the 7D2),
Get the 6DMk2?

You think 6D2 will have a better sensor than the 5D4 or the 5Ds-R?

Anybody else wondering this?

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Didn't someone already post a similar thread? Go buy a 6D MK II and give us a review. Its impossible for me to build enthusiasm over something that may happen next year, or if earthquake damage slows it down, in 3 years.

 

[j-nord]

We havent even seen tests on the 1DXii sensor, we don't know what the 5DIV will be spec'd at or when it will be released, at this point the 6Dii is a big ??? It is, however, likely that the 6Dii sensor will be slightly better than the 5DSR though probably in the 24mpix range. Even this is speculation. Speculating further is pretty pointless.

 

[nc0b]

You didn't say what was lacking with you your current bodies. Once I purchased my 6D, I haven't used my crop bodies all that much. Even though the 6D is somewhat limited as to AF flexibility, when paired with a 400mm f/5.6 prime, it does very well for BIF. No it doesn't have a machine gun rep rate, but I can live with its frame rate. I don't shoot sports, and recently added a 5DS R to my kit, while giving my 5D Classic to my daughter-in-law. Whatever you buy, I recommend you don't sell anything you currently own until you have fully evaluated your new purchase. Considering what good glass costs, having three bodies for six months to a year may make sense. Only dispose of something if it is just gathering dust. Both your bodies can take great pictures. I added the 5DS R for two reasons, to put more pixels on flying raptors, and to use my 1.4X TC III with my 100-400mm II for f/8 focusing for general wildlife.

 

[Sabaki]

Reeeeeally love my 6D! But the only minor gripe is the lack of more AF points.

I've recently started doing people photography and I frequently cannot place an AF point on the model's eye due to poor AF point spread.

But it's a great camera otherwise

 

[bholliman]

A 6D and 7D2 make a really nice set of camera bodies, they compliment each other nicely. What are you looking for that these can't give you? Until the 5D4 and 6D2 specs are known and they are reviewed, a question like this is impossible to answer.

 

[Hector1970]

Save your money, keep your 6D and 7DII.
Wait for the 5D V. It will have 16K Video, 20 FPS and a 200MP sensor with a huge dynamic range.

Or go somewhere nice, I always think that's the best way to spend money on photography.
A good location is far better than more expensive gear.
I think the degree of improvements these days are getting barely perceptible to the human eye.
It's like the poor maligned existing 50mm 1.4 that people were discussing yesterday and the desperate need for a new version. I had it for many years and really enjoyed it. No it's not the sharpest lens ever made but it makes lovely photos and many owners have enjoyed it. I've seen many wonderful photos taken with it because the photographer actually left his PC and went out an took photos with it in creative ways.

I'd be slow to recommend a 5DSR to anyone who isn't already sure they need it.

 

[jeanluc]

I am deciding something similar; upgrade 5d3 to 5dsr now or wait for 5d4 in fall.

I like the 5d3 a lot, no problems, just ready to upgrade as I do every few years. Sounds like OP is in same boat with his 6D.

Personally, the only reason for hand-wringing is that I have 3 major photo trips between now and the end of October, about the time the 5d4 will be out. All landscape, which is why I was thinking 5dsr now.

I am going to wait until the 5d4 specs are clear, hopefully in Aug. then decide. I hope the MP are closer to 30, and if they are, that would do it for me. But we will see.

For anyone deciding right now about moving from 5d3 or 6d to 5DSR, the equation is really
great resolution/older but still good sensor (5DSR) VS. unknown but probably a little better resolution/newest sensor (5D4/6D2) with increased DR and video stuff you may or may not care about.

I personally think the 5DSR will get an upgraded sensor fairly soon after the 6D2 comes out, so maybe in as little as a year and a half, but who knows.

So I would keep your current bodies unless you absolutely need more MP right now, as the future should be a lot clearer by the end of the summer.

 

[jeffa4444]

You didn't say what was lacking with you your current bodies. Once I purchased my 6D, I haven't used my crop bodies all that much. Even though the 6D is somewhat limited as to AF flexibility, when paired with a 400mm f/5.6 prime, it does very well for BIF. No it doesn't have a machine gun rep rate, but I can live with its frame rate. I don't shoot sports, and recently added a 5DS R to my kit, while giving my 5D Classic to my daughter-in-law. Whatever you buy, I recommend you don't sell anything you currently own until you have fully evaluated your new purchase. Considering what good glass costs, having three bodies for six months to a year may make sense. Only dispose of something if it is just gathering dust. Both your bodies can take great pictures. I added the 5DS R for two reasons, to put more pixels on flying raptors, and to use my 1.4X TC III with my 100-400mm II for f/8 focusing for general wildlife.

I second that except I have the 5DS not the R version and bought it for more resolution in landscape for harsher cropping when required (had bad experiance with moire so didnt want AA filter removed). The 6D is a great camera regardless of the 11 AF points hence why its been out so long and only in certain very grey scenes can you see any faults in the sensor (low level banding) but overall the IQ is as good as or better than the 5D MKIII.

 

[takesome1]

You think 6D2 will have a better sensor than the 5D4 or the 5Ds-R?

Anybody else wondering this?

On the premise that a 5D4 and a 6D2 are released this year.

You are asking will the entry level 6D2 <$2K body have a better sensor than the >$3K 5D4 and the 5Ds R?

I would say sure, Canon is going to cannibalize sales of their high end bodies.

 

[Refurb7]

Get 5DMk4 or get the 6DMk2? Someone ... please, please tell me. I need to know which of these two unreleased cameras to buy. Never mind that you know absolutely nothing about my photography. Never mind that these two cameras don't exist yet. Just tell me what to buy.

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

YES A CAMERA THAT THOSE NOT EXIST YET
BRILLANT IDEA lmao 6d mark 2

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

You think 6D2 will have a better sensor than the 5D4 or the 5Ds-R?

Making a guessing exercise, I say 6D Mark II must have better image quality compared to 5DS-R (except sharpness), and may be equal to the 5D Mark iv.

 

[RGF]

my crystal ball says wait for the 6D M4. much better than the 6D M2.

Or you could buy a camera that is available today and enjoy it until the new models come out.

 

[LovePhotography]

You are asking will the entry level 6D2 <$2K body have a better sensor than the >$3K 5D4 and the 5Ds R?

I would say sure, Canon is going to cannibalize sales of their high end bodies.
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Canon does it all the time. It's the only way to improve the product line. For example, the $600 T6i may well have a better sensor then the 7D2 which is still fairly new and sells for twice as much. Pax.

 

[LovePhotography]

You didn't say what was lacking with you your current bodies. Once I purchased my 6D, I haven't used my crop bodies all that much. Even though the 6D is somewhat limited as to AF flexibility, when paired with a 400mm f/5.6 prime, it does very well for BIF. No it doesn't have a machine gun rep rate, but I can live with its frame rate. I don't shoot sports, and recently added a 5DS R to my kit, while giving my 5D Classic to my daughter-in-law. Whatever you buy, I recommend you don't sell anything you currently own until you have fully evaluated your new purchase. Considering what good glass costs, having three bodies for six months to a year may make sense. Only dispose of something if it is just gathering dust. Both your bodies can take great pictures. I added the 5DS R for two reasons, to put more pixels on flying raptors, and to use my 1.4X TC III with my 100-400mm II for f/8 focusing for general wildlife.

The only thing lacking in the 6D is focus points, and some pixelating with lots of cropping (like pics of the moon, or far off people, animals, etc.). Love my 6D, but I figure the next generation will be even better, whether that is the 5DsR or 6D2. I've already got everything from 8mm to 600mm covered with great glass, either L glass or Sig Arts. More than I can move without a shopping cart. So, I'm just thinking body purchase.

It's a good point about the earthquakes. Makes me think more along the 5DsR line... (
Feel sorry for Japan.

 

[StudentOfLight]

You think 6D2 will have a better sensor than the 5D4 or the 5Ds-R?

Anybody else wondering this?

On the premise that a 5D4 and a 6D2 are released this year.

You are asking will the entry level 6D2 <$2K body have a better sensor than the >$3K 5D4 and the 5Ds R?

I would say sure, Canon is going to cannibalize sales of their high end bodies.

How do you qualify "better sensor". The 6D pixels are better than 5D Mark-III pixels and the 5Ds-R pixels as well. On a pixel level the 5Ds-R performs slightly worse than the 7D Mark-II, which I found disappointing. If you scale all images to the same resolution then the 5DsR will have marginally better performance up to ISO 400 after which the 6D overtakes it. So the precedent has been set of the 6D having comparatively good sensor.

Slow continuous fps, basic AF and single card slot, lack of headphone jack etc... is what prevents the 6D from cannibalizing their high-end bodies, not the sensor performance.

 

[takesome1]

You think 6D2 will have a better sensor than the 5D4 or the 5Ds-R?

Anybody else wondering this?

On the premise that a 5D4 and a 6D2 are released this year.

You are asking will the entry level 6D2 <$2K body have a better sensor than the >$3K 5D4 and the 5Ds R?

I would say sure, Canon is going to cannibalize sales of their high end bodies.

How do you qualify "better sensor". The 6D pixels are better than 5D Mark-III pixels and the 5Ds-R pixels as well. On a pixel level the 5Ds-R performs slightly worse than the 7D Mark-II, which I found disappointing. If you scale all images to the same resolution then the 5DsR will have marginally better performance up to ISO 400 after which the 6D overtakes it. So the precedent has been set of the 6D having comparatively good sensor.

Slow continuous fps, basic AF and single card slot, lack of headphone jack etc... is what prevents the 6D from cannibalizing their high-end bodies, not the sensor performance.

It depends on what you think is a better pixel. If you think size matters than sure the 6D is better. I suppose if you primarily "Scale" to 4x6 then the 6D resolution disadvantage would look really good compared to the 5Ds R.
Then if you primarily shoot at ISO 1600 and above the 6D would have a vastly superior sensor, or would it? You just scaled your 6D and 5Ds R image to 4x6. Of course how does that scaled comparison shake out when you blow your shot up poster size?

So to your question: "How do you qualify "better sensor" I would say, how do you qualify a better pixel?

 

[StudentOfLight]

You think 6D2 will have a better sensor than the 5D4 or the 5Ds-R?

Anybody else wondering this?

On the premise that a 5D4 and a 6D2 are released this year.

You are asking will the entry level 6D2 <$2K body have a better sensor than the >$3K 5D4 and the 5Ds R?

I would say sure, Canon is going to cannibalize sales of their high end bodies.

How do you qualify "better sensor". The 6D pixels are better than 5D Mark-III pixels and the 5Ds-R pixels as well. On a pixel level the 5Ds-R performs slightly worse than the 7D Mark-II, which I found disappointing. If you scale all images to the same resolution then the 5DsR will have marginally better performance up to ISO 400 after which the 6D overtakes it. So the precedent has been set of the 6D having comparatively good sensor.

Slow continuous fps, basic AF and single card slot, lack of headphone jack etc... is what prevents the 6D from cannibalizing their high-end bodies, not the sensor performance.

It depends on what you think is a better pixel. If you think size matters than sure the 6D is better. I suppose if you primarily "Scale" to 4x6 then the 6D resolution disadvantage would look really good compared to the 5Ds R.
Then if you primarily shoot at ISO 1600 and above the 6D would have a vastly superior sensor, or would it? You just scaled your 6D and 5Ds R image to 4x6. Of course how does that scaled comparison shake out when you blow your shot up poster size?

So to your question: "How do you qualify "better sensor" I would say, how do you qualify a better pixel?

A better pixel is able to record a given portion of the scene more faithfully.

Say for example you shoot an image of a flower with two different cameras so that size of the flower in both images is the same number of pixels. Assuming they use equivalent lenses, the camera with the better pixels captures the flower more faithfully.

p.s. I've attached two 100% crops images which show how a few months ago I captured a subject to the same pixel scale on two different cameras systems. (I was comparing the shooting experience of the Tamron 35VC on APS-C vs the 40mm STM on full frame.)

 

[bdunbar79]

You think 6D2 will have a better sensor than the 5D4 or the 5Ds-R?

Anybody else wondering this?

On the premise that a 5D4 and a 6D2 are released this year.

You are asking will the entry level 6D2 <$2K body have a better sensor than the >$3K 5D4 and the 5Ds R?

I would say sure, Canon is going to cannibalize sales of their high end bodies.

How do you qualify "better sensor". The 6D pixels are better than 5D Mark-III pixels and the 5Ds-R pixels as well. On a pixel level the 5Ds-R performs slightly worse than the 7D Mark-II, which I found disappointing. If you scale all images to the same resolution then the 5DsR will have marginally better performance up to ISO 400 after which the 6D overtakes it. So the precedent has been set of the 6D having comparatively good sensor.

Slow continuous fps, basic AF and single card slot, lack of headphone jack etc... is what prevents the 6D from cannibalizing their high-end bodies, not the sensor performance.

Fortunately we don't print and view pixels, we print and view photos. The 5Ds vs. 7D2 comparison makes little sense since the 5Ds produces better IQ and that's all that matters.